Mississippi State basketball - how do you handle it for 26/27 season?

dawgstudent

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If I was AD - I put all my eggs in the basket of Hubbard's last season (assuming he stays at State). Go all at it from a financial standpoint and then you rebuild. But basketball is near and dear to my heart so I'm more doing more of an emotional play.
 
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onewoof

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Dawgzilla2

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If Hubbard wants to stay, I think you pay him for one more year, but I'm really concerned about the rest of the roster.

Let's say we somehow find the money to build a competitive roster....you go out, get more transfers, and just hope Jans can build them into a team for next season?

That might get us back to the tournament, but it won't get us very far.

I say rebuild now. Keep Hubbard if you can, but otherwise get younger guys with an eye toward the future. Find players Jans can coach.
 

Villagedawg

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1. Leave Jans' contract alone. If he comes wanting more money to stay, tell him nice working with you and good luck in the future.
2. Do what we can to keep Hubbard.
3. The rest of the roster, meh. If Jans sees the potential keep them then so be it. It's his baby. If not, go get a young team that has potential. But either way please, please find Hubbard some help in the portal and a true big presence.
 
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POTUS

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Invest heavily in next year. Only a fool would prioritize anything but football over men's basketball. We have a potential all-time scoring leader on the team. You pay top dollar and bring in whoever you need to have a good year. Have a good enough year and Jans is probably gone anyway. Then you reboot.
 
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golferdog

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If Hubbard wants to stay, I think you pay him for one more year, but I'm really concerned about the rest of the roster.

Let's say we somehow find the money to build a competitive roster....you go out, get more transfers, and just hope Jans can build them into a team for next season?

That might get us back to the tournament, but it won't get us very far.

I say rebuild now. Keep Hubbard if you can, but otherwise get younger guys with an eye toward the future. Find players Jans can coach.
Getting to the tournament would be great year next year, regardless of winning a game in it or not. Our program is just not very good right now. We need some legit players to contend in this league, and we simply don't have them. I'm beginning to wonder if Coach can get them.
 

Dawgzilla2

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Getting to the tournament would be great year next year, regardless of winning a game in it or not. Our program is just not very good right now. We need some legit players to contend in this league, and we simply don't have them. I'm beginning to wonder if Coach can get them.
Getting into the tournament is pretty much the minimum we should expect every year. Jans is one of the 20 highest paid coaches on the country, so you would hope he could get us into the top 68.

Granted, making the tournament would be a huge improvement over this season, but that is the bare minimum we should demand. Its not a result worthy of dumping huge money into achieving.
 
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Don't know how accurate these numbers are, but I think I've read somewhere on here that our total NIL spend this past year was ~8 mill. I only have 2 data points, again from this forum (I think), where Hubbard was getting ~4 mill and Ballard was getting 1 mill. Now if that data is accurate, then I don't know how you build a competitive roster. If Hubbard wants to win at State, he's gonna have to take less to leave room to get a legit PG and a physical center (which is what it appears Jans likes). It'd be nice to have a Jefferies or Cam type player as well.

There's got to be players at mid-tier schools that can be had, but it takes work to scout them and evaluate them. This staff has shown it has no clue how to do either. We need a fresh staff, because this one isn't getting it done.

I'm like DS. I love college basketball more than any other sport and I really hate when we're not even close to being competitive.
 

civildawg88

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I'm beginning to question going all in with Hubbard. Yeah he can win you a couple of games a year when he's hot, but when he's cold, woof. It's an automatic loss.

If it were me, I would go get a rim protector to help when Hubbard gets abused on defense and an actual PG. I wouldn't give Hubbard a giant NIL contract either though. I would make him a decent offer, but he's just not worth a top NIL deal with how much he disappears in some games. Jans has to get back to players that are tough on the defensive side.
 
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cadawg26

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Have to put everything into next year. If we don't win a tournament game in 4 years with Hubbard, let's just say that fanbase is not gonna be happy with Jans. He has to evaluate better and get the right pieces to complement Hubbard. Jans hasn't shown he can do it though. I guess we'll see.
 

PrimeDog

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Getting to the tournament would be great year next year, regardless of winning a game in it or not. Our program is just not very good right now. We need some legit players to contend in this league, and we simply don't have them. I'm beginning to wonder if Coach can get them.
A lot of people say that Jans is safe because he got us to the tourney 3 years in a row and poor ol MSU can’t do any better. And you say that getting us back to the tourney next year, even a 1 and done, is good enough? Good grief. Why even pay the man a million bucks then? If that’s all the expectation we have for Mr Jans, then he is robbing us blind.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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Invest heavily in next year. Only a fool would prioritize anything but football over men's basketball. We have a potential all-time scoring leader on the team. You pay top dollar and bring in whoever you need to have a good year. Have a good enough year and Jans is probably gone anyway. Then you reboot.
I'm beginning to question going all in with Hubbard. Yeah he can win you a couple of games a year when he's hot, but when he's cold, woof. It's an automatic loss.

If it were me, I would go get a rim protector to help when Hubbard gets abused on defense and an actual PG. I wouldn't give Hubbard a giant NIL contract either though. I would make him a decent offer, but he's just not worth a top NIL deal with how much he disappears in some games. Jans has to get back to players that are tough on the defensive side.
Somewhere in the middle of these. I think Jans is definitely going to attempt to win his way out of Starkville this year. Not sure where Hubbard plays into that. I'd probably offer him the same NIL money, no increase, tell him we need the difference for others. That'll prove if he's a team player. If he walks, so be it.
 
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LandArchDawg

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I don't know why Hubbard stays, Jans hasn't given him any help in two seasons, why would he start next?
Maybe Hubbard getting all the bones and attention like a franchise player is the problem? If we had kept last year's supporting roster together, we would have been a lot better this season, but no one in the basketball world wants to be relegated to second or third fiddle right off the bat. But, we had no more eggs in the basket to compete with outside offers on the supporting cast because we are paying Hubbard so much. Thus, the team lives or dies on Hubbard being hot.
 

Dawgzilla2

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Have to put everything into next year. If we don't win a tournament game in 4 years with Hubbard, let's just say that fanbase is not gonna be happy with Jans. He has to evaluate better and get the right pieces to complement Hubbard. Jans hasn't shown he can do it though. I guess we'll see.
I just cant see "putting everything into next year" and hoping that results in winning a tournament game. If we had a core group that was close to success and all we needed was a couple of pieces, then I would say go all in. But what we have is Hubbard, and not much else.

We obviously need a higher NIL budget for basketball. But if we pay Hubbard and try to surround him with personnel for next year, I think the results will be disappointing.
 

DoggieDaddy13

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With or without Hubbard, we are not going to be winning big. We're not NILing our way out of this mess.

It may be fun watching Hubbard have a great senior year as a Bulldog, but if I am the AD, I spend next year lining up a new coach.
 

Uncle Ruckus

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I don't think you can expect much if what we are paying Hubbard is true. Would not be able to afford a Robin, plus 3 other SEC caliber starters, which is exactly what is happening now.
 

POTUS

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It's crazy to me that we wouldn't break the bank to be good at basketball. It's literally the only sport where we have a real chance at national attention. We could absolutely have a program that regularly makes the tournament. Then we're four wins from everyone in the country talking about us. Actual national attention.

Our only chance to really be noticed and we're like, "Nah."
 
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johnson86-1

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If we are going to stick with Hubbard, we really need to pair him with a true point guard. Ideally one with size but obviously then you're talking about a pretty high dollar piece. Alternatively if we could get a 2 and a 3 that can also shoot, then maybe we can afford some defensive bigs. But a 2 and 3 that can shoot and handle the ball are in high demand, so if we just get shooters, that's putting a lot of pressure on Hubbard to be the primary ball handler.
 

ll Martain ll

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Regardless, the team needs to get bigger. Our top 3 scorers are all undersized guards. And the one guy on the team who plays and has some size can't (or doesn't) do much with it. The defensive struggles in SEC play has been amplified because they're ALL small. Hubbard will have pressure taken off if our 2 and 3 are 6-6 and 6-7 and could average even 8 points a game.

Building around Hubbard is fine but he can't be the only guy on the court who can score. Pay Hubbard, but go get the most talented guys at the 2 and 3 possible. Then ACTUALLY develop Bartlett / Davis-Fleming / Chol, and get depth out of what is supposed to be a highly rated freshman class.
 
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NWADog

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Pay Hubbard, attempt to keep King Grace and JDF. Go get a Jarvis Varnado type big man that has quick feet and athletic that’s a legit rim protector and not a slow lazy 17’er like Ballard with horrible timing on shot block attempts and soft defense, get a bigger longer lock down guard like DJ Jeffries
 

patdog

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Honestly I have no idea. Mist of this team has to be replaced. But Jans evaluation of portal players has been mostly abysmal. I really don’t know the answer. But I think we have to ride it out with Jans for 1 more year.
 
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Perd Hapley

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If I was AD - I put all my eggs in the basket of Hubbard's last season (assuming he stays at State). Go all at it from a financial standpoint and then you rebuild. But basketball is near and dear to my heart so I'm more doing more of an emotional play.
Well obviously what you can do depends heavily on the investment in football. If you built a big time roster in the portal there, there’s not likely much for basketball transfers. So, checking in on that….

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Welp…..certainly nothing in the way of building a top notch squad for Jans next year!
 

curseddawgs

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I don't know why Hubbard stays, Jans hasn't given him any help in two seasons, why would he start next?
Objectively false. Last years team was extremely solid but happened to play in the best conference in college basketball history. Any other year we go 11-7 or 12-6 instead of 8-10
 

The Peeper

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Objectively false. Last years team was extremely solid but happened to play in the best conference in college basketball history. Any other year we go 11-7 or 12-6 instead of 8-10
Just another "one and done" year with what many called a bunch of underachievers. As opposed to this season with a team of no achievements
 

L4Dawg

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Getting into the tournament is pretty much the minimum we should expect every year. Jans is one of the 20 highest paid coaches on the country, so you would hope he could get us into the top 68.

Granted, making the tournament would be a huge improvement over this season, but that is the bare minimum we should demand. It's not a result worthy of dumping huge money into achieving.
Just for the record: We have been to the tournament 14 times, 3 times under Jans. He has over preformed the usual here.
 

msugolf

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Just for the record: We have been to the tournament 14 times, 3 times under Jans. He has over preformed the usual here.
Just for the record, he rode the coat tails of being in a strong conference to get in those tournaments. All with losing records at that. Dude is going to be 15 games under .500 after this year and people think he’s some type of savant.
 
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L4Dawg

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Just for the record, he rode the coat tails of being in a strong conference to get in those tournaments. All with losing records at that. Dude is going to be 15 games under .500 after this year and people think he’s some type of savant.
The thing that worries me is our people are working themselves up into another Stansbury deal. We still haven't really recovered from firing him.
 
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patdog

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The thing that worries me is our people are working themselves up into another Stansbury deal. We still haven't really recovered from firing him.
Is anyone saying he should be fired? But if he has another season like this one next year, yeah, we have to fire him. And no, it won't be a Stansbury situation. Only season Stans had that was comparable was his 2nd season in 1990.
 

curseddawgs

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Just another "one and done" year with what many called a bunch of underachievers. As opposed to this season with a team of no achievements
I won’t argue we should’ve do better but what I’m saying is Jans provided Hubbard with plenty of help last year and was by far his best team. Our team was top 25 for the entirety of the season we were just stuck in a conference that sent 14 teams to the tournament and ended up as an 8 seed against a top 5 pick and a national championship winning head coach
 

OopsICroomedmypants

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This won't be a popular opinion maybe, but Jans can't coach. There is talent on this team and he doesn't get much out of it. No semblance of offense. We have a 7 footer that can move and we can't teach him a jump hook and a 7 foot jumper while working it in to him? We play Hubbard at point, when he's a 2 guard. No defense to speak of and anyone is free to jack up a 3 with nobody under the goal to rebound. This is because we don't run an offense that can get anyone open, so whenever someone gets open they jack it up no matter where they are. We don't crash the boards and block out. The last game I would have played the 2nd team the whole second half. Jans is doing an awful job.
 
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thekimmer

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I think Hubbard will test the waters and if he gets an offer from any program that is projected to be better than MSU he's gone.