Gotta give these guys credit
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Actually Page is playing great and improving steadily. He has great potential for breakout season next year. I hope he stays
Really a valiant effort today. WR home-field advantage, baby.
Huge statement from the team and the coaches to offset a disappointing season.
Yep. and his defense and rebounding were excellent in this game.
Hey, evolution!
Reid… yeah I’m on record with that. Page is starting to fit his role and his upside is big. And he is still making lots of mistakes even while playing better so there is a lot more upside. I definitely want to see more there.
Reid… yeah I’m on record with that. Page is starting to fit his role and his upside is big. And he is still making lots of mistakes even while playing better so there is a lot more upside. I definitely want to see more there.
Page is….enigmatic. But I hope he stays.
Still have mixed thoughts about Reid, but he has a unique skill set.
Still have mixed thoughts about Reid, but he has a unique skill set.
Page’s potential is very high if he puts it all together.
Is there any chance Martinelli can sue for a 5th year of eligibility? Sure he played a lot as a freshman but only scored 50ish points IIRC…
I don't think Collins teams (or most teams) can shine without a big man who can anchor a defense like Pardon or Nicholson did. But Page played hard today and had several good defensive plays. It could work next year if he gets a little better and (with respect to Kropp) we get a JVZ type as a situational D-focused big man off the bench.
It gets more interesting with Bennerman assumedly ready for minutes and Ghai coming in. Page has improved significantly over the season and I think he could make a big contribution next year.
It's not like football. For a medical redshirt, it's 30% of the season. For traditional redshirts, you can't play a single second.
Seems like there have been some recent examples of local judges with ties to colleges siding with players & their schools over the NCAA rules so who knows in this legal chaos that is sports eligibility everyone is courting now.
Not anymore. Unless you’re out due to documented injury, 1 game is too many. Otherwise I’d say give Bannerman some run
They could always claim depression issues, No one would be able to disprove it
Everybody needs to get better on defense and that will make a big difference. Gelo may be the only plus defender in the lineup. Big Matt played with Audige, Berry and Barnhizer. And even Boo became a good on the ball defender.
Singleton, in particular, needs to make a big jump next year defensively. He fouls way too much and gets beat off the dribble. He’s not a twitchy athlete so he needs to be fundamentally sound and do a better job boxing out. West is getting better but has a long way to go to be a plus defender. Hopefully, Gelo can become a consistent shooter and stay in the lineup. If those 3 make strides and Paige becomes more consistent, we can become a good defensive team again. We may not be able to afford Paige, though. I think he’s shown just enough to attract some good offers. And big men get overpaid.
People seem down on Reid, and watching him I can get it. But today he was the only Cat not named Nick to score in double figures and even with those two missed threes in a row, he was shooting 50% and had seven assists, mostly to Nick.
He's a decent on ball defender, shut his guy down a fair amount today, and is also just a height liability on D. A couple of switches and he's guaranteed guarding a guy close to a foot taller.
He's a decent on ball defender, shut his guy down a fair amount today, and is also just a height liability on D. A couple of switches and he's guaranteed guarding a guy close to a foot taller.
Great post! Not of having a situational D-focused big man off the bench was a major disservice to Page. How did Brian James let that happen?
He’s a huge size liability 100% of the time on defense in the Big Ten. He’s competent offensively, but that’s it, just competent, and he gets himself into trouble all the damn time doing stuff that he can’t do against Big Ten competition. I don’t like him as anything more than a pure backup point guard on a good Big Ten team.
I hear you. He only had three steals on defense and he had to foul that 6'9" before he could get a dunk off a couple of times. He definitely puts too much mustard on his passes a lot of the time. That fireball to Page for the easy dunk that went right thru Page's hands came in pretty darned hot.
But again, averaging 10 points a game and being the best free throw shooter on the team, it's hard to sit him this season. He is only playing about 23 minutes a game, so he is definitely in a time share as West develops. But yesterday, when they worked hard at shutting West down, he did his job well enough for a minor transfer in his first year in the big leagues.
We'll see what happens in the off season. We've got three guards sitting on the bench who haven't really cracked this year's roster, and soon-to-be senior Jordan Clayton, whose playing about 17 minutes a game and has far fewer of every stat - including turn overs.
Coach has so many guards on the roster, and at least four who are theoretically point/combo guards. I can't imagine he'll go fishing for a replacement starter/timeshare if Reid comes back unless he has a mass exodus - which might happen in today's money game.
But again, averaging 10 points a game and being the best free throw shooter on the team, it's hard to sit him this season. He is only playing about 23 minutes a game, so he is definitely in a time share as West develops. But yesterday, when they worked hard at shutting West down, he did his job well enough for a minor transfer in his first year in the big leagues.
We'll see what happens in the off season. We've got three guards sitting on the bench who haven't really cracked this year's roster, and soon-to-be senior Jordan Clayton, whose playing about 17 minutes a game and has far fewer of every stat - including turn overs.
Coach has so many guards on the roster, and at least four who are theoretically point/combo guards. I can't imagine he'll go fishing for a replacement starter/timeshare if Reid comes back unless he has a mass exodus - which might happen in today's money game.
Singleton needs to put on more muscle as all the frosh do, If he has more strength, he will be able to hold his position better and those are either not fouls or potentially charges instead, I am not really thinking Page will go anywhere, It would make his 4th different school in 4 years for his last year and having to learn new systems on both O and D yet again, Right now it seems as if he is finally getting it and able to make positive contributions, Starting over again would make that difficult, I don't think that it would put him in a better position to show his wares for a future in the NBA
If you look at the lineup stats, the best tended to be when both West and Reid were on the floor at the same time
Page wants to play and I think he's learned what he needs to do for Collins to get on the court. I expect he'll stay and play for 25-30 minutes a game next year. I hope so.
I agree, the question is who will be on the roster in the fall. I suspect Reid will be one of them, but I'm open to being wrong for a variety of reasons.
I tend to think it will come down to if he has enough credits to graduate already. And I tend to think he doesn’t.
Reid is an absolute water bug out here and a real change of pace from west. I could see them being verycomplimentarty with more time together
Reid’s waterbug skills are best utilized when he has the ball and can create with his feet. This means West needs to improve his spot up shooting (applies to pretty much all our players)
Reid could become a weapon without the ball as his spot up shooting improves. This part about him intrigues me.
Reid is quick but can’t do anything with the ball once he gets wherever he’s going. He’s terrible down low in the Big Ten and he doesn’t shoot all that well. He distributes play but he also kills possessions running around and unable to get the ball out to anybody. Offensively he’s just okay and and it doesn’t make up for his defense. IMO he looks like a chicken with his head cut off as often as a waterbug.
Too many guards on the roster and almost none of them very productive
The thing that intrigues me is his quickness and if he can harness that to get more steals and create more turnovers, it could make a huge difference and offset some of his D liabilities enabling him to stay on the floor. He needs to be more of a disrupter.
Watching MSU work the high low with Kohler and their other big had my mind racing with thoughts about having Page and Bennerman out there next year.
Yeah. With 28. He's not even in the top 25 in the confernece.
Expect that number to pick up if we see the post defense that we’ve seen recently continue.
The Reid conversation is a little wild to me. We’re talking about the third leading scorer, the top assist guy, and the leader in steals and people are ready to push him out. I get the frustrations. The rim finishing has to get better. He leaves points out there. But even if Northwestern hits on a really good portal guard, Reid at his floor is a big ten level sixth man. He’s disruptive, he can run the offense, he’s great at breaking defenders down off dribble, and he competes. If he figures out how to finish through contact then you’re looking at a pretty legit backcourt ceiling assuming West takes a normal sophomore jump. The hate feels louder than the production warrants.
I’d love to keep both Page and Reid. This roster feels like it’s at the stage where you take a best player available in the portal and trust your internal growth. Page, West, Reid, Singleton, ___. Or Page, West, Singleton, Gelo, ___. It works a few different ways depending on who that last piece is.
Bring in a real stretch big and you can go twin towers with Singleton at the three and keep size without killing spacing. Bring in a dynamic guard and lean into tempo with three guards, let Page and Singleton clean the glass and switch more. Bring in a two way wing and you’ve got a more traditional, balanced lineup with a mix of length and speed.
The non negotiable is shooting. Whoever that transfer is, they have to stretch the floor. Gravity matters and it’s something this team lacks. From there it’s continuity and development. That’s the bet.
He’s maybe the third best offensive player and a horrible defender on a pretty bad Big Ten team. He is absolutely not a sixth man on a good Big Ten team. A good big ten team is a good tournament team.
Everything is relative to price and available spots, so if you told me he was coming back to be a 10 MPG point guard behind West, a pure backup, after we brought in a really legit star shooting guard who is a purely off ball guy I’d say “okay, I guess,” but the level of quality at the guard position overall needs to go way way up for the Cats and I just don’t see Reid having the tools to stick at this level of play
I'm just not seeing how the 3 guard thing could work if Page and Tre are the bigs. Neither of them plays quite that big. It would essentially be this year's interior D minus Mart.
Pretty low bar. He needs to do a lot better than he has to offset his other defensive liabilities
It is likely a combination of his inconsistency on O and his defensive liabilities that have him the target of that. If he starts getting more steals and forcing more turnovers coupled with better 3 pt shooting , a lot of that hate will likely disappear