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OSU48

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If I understand the seeding procedures correctly, you need 15 matches to get an RPI rating. And the RPI rating is an important part of seeding.

I think if I were a wrestler in the 133 pound bracket, I would be doing every bit of lobbying I could for an exception to be made for Jax. Otherwise it would be like rolling a live hand grenade into the bracket. I don't know exactly how RPI is used for the seeding process but you might be one of the top seeded wrestlers and have Jax in the 1st or 2nd round.

Maybe some of you guys can enlighten us as to how no RPI might affect seeds.
 
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Corby2

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OSU48 said:
If I understand the seeding procedures correctly, you need 15 matches to get an RPI rating. And the RPI rating is an important part of seeding.

I think if I were a wrestler in the 133 pound bracket, I would be doing every bit of lobbying I could for an exception to be made for Jax. Otherwise it would be like rolling a live hand grenade into the bracket. I don't know exactly how RPI is used for the seeding process but you might be one of the top seeded wrestlers and have Jax in the 1st or 2nd round.

Maybe some of you guys can enlighten us as to how no RPI might affect seeds.
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It's worth 10 points of the 100 points available.
 
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Yes, RPI takes 15 D1 matches. It only affects total seeding criteria by 10%. The RPI formula (on Wrestlestat) is win% * .25 + opp win% * .50 + opp/opp win% * .25 and this formula is actually outdated as of this year.

H2H = 25%
Quality wins = 20%
Coaches ranking (8 minimum matches) = 15%
Common Opponents = 10%
RPI = 10%
Conference Placement = 10%
Win % = 10%

So, he won't have a h2h with Byrd, Blaze or Davino.

Quality wins is pretty much a scatter shooting.
-Blaze has 4 with Davino being the best win
-Byrd has 1, Ayala
-Davino has 7, with a loss to Blaze and a the best being a win over Frost.
-Jax has 2, Seidel and Ayala
-Frost has 3, Serrano and Ayala wins and a Davino loss
-Larkin has 0
-Seidel has 1, a loss to Jax
-Serrano has 3, with a loss to Frost
-Ayala has 8, with only one victory over Van Dee

Coaches Ranking isn't worth discussing right now as it hasn't been updated to reflect the last two wins for Jax...which put him up to the minimum match count.

Common Opponents is one I am not going to dive into.

The current RPI has Blaze 1, Davino 2, Larkin 3, Byrd 10 with Jax, Frost and Seidel not having the 15 match count.

Conference placement is TBD.

Win % has three Wrestlers that have 100% and only two can possibly come out of conference weekend.

So, there is the muddy picture that should get a little cleaner after conference action is over.
 
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Corby2

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chasepollard said:
Yes, RPI takes 15 D1 matches. It only affects total seeding criteria by 10%. The RPI formula (on Wrestlestat) is win% * .25 + opp win% * .50 + opp/opp win% * .25 and this formula is actually outdated as of this year.

H2H = 25%
Quality wins = 20%
Coaches ranking (8 minimum matches) = 15%
Common Opponents = 10%
RPI = 10%
Conference Placement = 10%
Win % = 10%

So, he won't have a h2h with Byrd, Blaze or Davino.

Quality wins is pretty much a scatter shooting.
-Blaze has 4 with Davino being the best win
-Byrd has 1, Ayala
-Davino has 7, with a loss to Blaze and a the best being a win over Frost.
-Jax has 2, Seidel and Ayala
-Frost has 3, Serrano and Ayala wins and a Davino loss
-Larkin has 0
-Seidel has 1, a loss to Jax
-Serrano has 3, with a loss to Frost
-Ayala has 8, with only one victory over Van Dee

Coaches Ranking isn't worth discussing right now as it hasn't been updated to reflect the last two wins for Jax...which put him up to the minimum match count.

Common Opponents is one I am not going to dive into.

The current RPI has Blaze 1, Davino 2, Larkin 3, Byrd 10 with Jax, Frost and Seidel not having the 15 match count.

Conference placement is TBD.

Win % has three Wrestlers that have 100% and only two can possibly come out of conference weekend.

So, there is the muddy picture that should get a little cleaner after conference action is over.
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Chase those are the old ones. Coaches ranking is now 10 and conference placement 15

 
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chasepollard said:
Well, I like that amendment. I've seen coaches tank kids to improve their kid.
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They made that change a few years ago. I'm torn with it because a guy who's 2 ND in the SoCon would get the 15 over the guy who's 3rd in the big 10 or big 12. So where you rank for the whole season I think should earn more than where you place at the conference tournament since they're not all equal. With the new coaches ranking system I would like to see it changed back to 15 for coaches ranking. When 14 coaches were ranking and it was a good ole boy network I didn't mind the change to 10
 
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Corby2 said:
They made that change a few years ago. I'm torn with it because a guy who's 2 ND in the SoCon would get the 15 over the guy who's 3rd in the big 10 or big 12. So where you rank for the whole season I think should earn more than where you place at the conference tournament since they're not all equal. With the new coaches ranking system I would like to see it changed back to 15 for coaches ranking. When 14 coaches were ranking and it was a good ole boy network I didn't mind the change to 10
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Most likely, the conference placement tier would be buried by the other tiers. Sure, there will be some cases when the SoCon guy has a great schedule strength and common opponent ranking.
 
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Fink26

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Corby, my understanding is that the Conference Placement would not favor a 2nd in one conference over a 3rd in a different one. A conference winner gets the points over a nonwinner, and a nonwinner that receives an AQ gets the points over someone that needs an at large bid. Otherwise, the points are split. For example, 2nd in the Big 10s and 3rd in the Big 12s split the points.

Chase, at 133, barring some crazy upset, common opponents likely only comes into play if Byrd, Blaze or Davino would lose to Ayala (due to Jax's victory) or Forrest loses to Frost because Davino beat him) as those are the only common opponents between the top tier.
 
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Fink26 said:
Corby, my understanding is that the Conference Placement would not favor a 2nd in one conference over a 3rd in a different one. A conference winner gets the points over a nonwinner, and a nonwinner that receives an AQ gets the points over someone that needs an at large bid. Otherwise, the points are split. For example, 2nd in the Big 10s and 3rd in the Big 12s split the points.

Chase, at 133, barring some crazy upset, common opponents likely only comes into play if Byrd, Blaze or Davino would lose to Ayala (due to Jax's victory) or Forrest loses to Frost because Davino beat him) as those are the only common opponents between the top tier.
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Can you explain more on the “weight” of the tiers?

As I understand it, common opp and common opp/opp play a role.

Just so I know where you are coming from, do you have any more scenarios? A first at SoCon catches more weight than a 4th at ACC and clearly my metrics were incorrect…how does that Wrestler garner the better seed?
 
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Corby2

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Fink26 said:
Corby, my understanding is that the Conference Placement would not favor a 2nd in one conference over a 3rd in a different one. A conference winner gets the points over a nonwinner, and a nonwinner that receives an AQ gets the points over someone that needs an at large bid. Otherwise, the points are split. For example, 2nd in the Big 10s and 3rd in the Big 12s split the points.

Chase, at 133, barring some crazy upset, common opponents likely only comes into play if Byrd, Blaze or Davino would lose to Ayala (due to Jax's victory) or Forrest loses to Frost because Davino beat him) as those are the only common opponents between the top tier.
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Conference placement is 10/0 . Head to head , coaches ranking and quality wins can be split
 
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Corby2

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chasepollard said:
Can you explain more on the “weight” of the tiers?

As I understand it, common opp and common opp/opp play a role.

Just so I know where you are coming from, do you have any more scenarios? A first at SoCon catches more weight than a 4th at ACC and clearly my metrics were incorrect…how does that Wrestler garner the better seed?
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The tier qualifications are there for you . It also shows you the point splits for H2H , CR and quality wins
 
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okokzach said:
Wrestlestat rankings would be better than using coaches rankings.
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Seton Hall Pirate ( Britt Malinsky) his abacus is pretty good as well. We gotta give this new ranking system a chance. The old one with 14 coaches per weight was a hey I will scratch your back and put your guy X at 141 but I need my 174 to be top 15. Now with 3 coaches and a person who oversees the weight doing a zoom to discuss it all is way better. Before coaches got on a the computer and filled out a form and hit enter
 
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Fink26

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I know the powerpoint says that conference and winning percentage can’t be split but they have no way to allocate them if both are champs or both are undefeated besides splitting them.
 
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chasepollard

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Fink26 said:
I know the powerpoint says that conference and winning percentage can’t be split but they have no way to allocate them if both are champs or both are undefeated besides splitting them.
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That’s why you have other tiers. SOS being the main one.
 
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