OT: Rider University Circling the drain

RU_87

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They can survive, alumni have been stepping up with donations from what I've heard. They just need to be smart with how they move forward, assuming they get the much needed stamp of approval from Middle States.

That cliff is going to affect everyone, it can put smaller schools like Stevens & NJIT into a fiscal bind if fewer kids go into STEM or opt to do it at larger schools that have more resources. So they all need to be preparing strategic plans that address these realities and the potential risks to their models.
NJIT should merge into Rutgers Newark...if I recall correctly, their campuses are adjacent. Rutgers could use an Architecture school / curriculum, and most of the Engineering can be merged into a larger role in Engineering schooling albeit a tier below top Engineering schools such as Rutgers New Bruns (Piscataway).
 

RUTGERS95

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NJIT should merge into Rutgers Newark...if I recall correctly, their campuses are adjacent. Rutgers could use an Architecture school / curriculum, and most of the Engineering can be merged into a larger role in Engineering schooling albeit a tier below top Engineering schools such as Rutgers New Bruns (Piscataway).
why? Rutgers has engineering in NB, why waste resources duplicating what is there. invest in NB engineering before adding another drain
 

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why? Rutgers has engineering in NB, why waste resources duplicating what is there. invest in NB engineering before adding another drain
There are already cooperative programs that allow Rutgers-Newark students to earn degrees in applied physics, biology, computer science, environmental science, geoscience engineering and information systems. NJIT has an established engineering program, and it probably would not take a lot of resources to have a cooperative program that enables Rutgers-Newark students to earn engineering degrees as well. Rutgers-New Brunswick is so overcrowded that it wouldn't hurt to divert students to Rutgers-Newark even with the coming decrease in high school graduates.
 
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RUTGERS95

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There are already cooperative programs that allow Rutgers-Newark students to earn degrees in applied physics, biology, computer science, environmental science, geoscience engineering and information systems. NJIT has an established engineering program, and it probably would not take a lot of resources to have a cooperative program that enables Rutgers-Newark students to earn engineering degrees as well. Rutgers-New Brunswick is so overcrowded that it wouldn't hurt to divert students to Rutgers-Newark even with the coming decrease in high school graduates.
I think you missed the point. The Rutgers system does not need to add any new engineering, failed campus, etc etc to it's portfolio. We do not need to detract and spend resources that are mostly duplicative or do not fill a need
 

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I think you missed the point. The Rutgers system does not need to add any new engineering, failed campus, etc etc to it's portfolio. We do not need to detract and spend resources that are mostly duplicative or do not fill a need
I don't think I missed the point, but that's Ok. Here's the problem: Rutgers New Brunswick is overcrowded. Any administrator there will tell you so. It is in Rutgers' interest to divert students to other Rutgers' campuses so that it can relieve the overcrowding. It is better to have them go to Rutgers-Newark so at least Rutgers gets the revenue. I doubt it would take a lot of resources to build NJIT's existing engineering program to a level that meets Rutgers' standards. And, as I say, it makes sense to invest those resources for the sake of relieving New Brunswick. But I understand that not everyone is going to feel the same about this.
 

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too many schools, not enough votech programs etc etc

Killing off some of these schools only makes Rutgers better
A huge problem is that every parent thinks their kid is going to be an engineer/doctor/lawyer when it's pretty clear that they would be better suited for something more blue collar or hands on. Parents feed the beast and all it does is lead their kid to debt, stress and unrealistic expectations.
 

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A huge problem is that every parent thinks their kid is going to be an engineer/doctor/lawyer when it's pretty clear that they would be better suited for something more blue collar or hands on. Parents feed the beast and all it does is lead their kid to debt, stress and unrealistic expectations.

There is a shortage of a number of other professions, like nurses and teaching, that need degrees. We need more engineers. We also need more doctors and lawyers in lower paying positions (family med, public defenders).

There may be shortages in blue collar fields too but the issue right now isn't overqualification.
 

bigmatt718

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Only problem with that is that it doesn't include Rice and Trinity of Texas
If we were doing an NJ version of that process map, I think to start it would look like this:

Princeton = Rice (overachieving nerds)
Rutgers-NB = UT Austin (no explanation needed, the best all around public in each state)
Rowan = Texas A&M (the 2nd best state school with a bit of a conservative side due to South Jersey geography)
NJIT = Texas Tech (tech students)
Seton Hall = TCU (3rd/4th tier religious unversity)
TCNJ = SMU (TCNJ students have inflated views of themselves)
Rutgers-Camden = UT Dallas (commuter students who want the brand name but couldn't get into the main campus)
Stockton = Tarleton State (meh state schools just to say they got in somewhere)
Monmouth = Baylor (rich safety school kids)
Montclair State = Texas State
 
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RU_87

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There are already cooperative programs that allow Rutgers-Newark students to earn degrees in applied physics, biology, computer science, environmental science, geoscience engineering and information systems. NJIT has an established engineering program, and it probably would not take a lot of resources to have a cooperative program that enables Rutgers-Newark students to earn engineering degrees as well. Rutgers-New Brunswick is so overcrowded that it wouldn't hurt to divert students to Rutgers-Newark even with the coming decrease in high school graduates.

why? Rutgers has engineering in NB, why waste resources duplicating what is there. invest in NB engineering before adding another drain
The state provides funding for NJIT. The funding can be used more efficiently once you consolidate the duplication of overhead services, etc., and will improve RU-Newark. STEM / Engineering is needed by more than what Rutgers NB provides (and the state and Rutgers is already providing it at other sites around the state...consolidating just organizes it better). It's my opinion, it can be better served to those that need it. RU-Newark can't really grow to serve the growth in the community it serves without it. Rutgers NB already getting record numbers of applicants and won't be able to serve all that come from the state. This maintains RU NB for selection of the top candidates in Engineering, but giving them an alternate path in Newark. Also, NJIT has some curriculums that RU does not have...and the combination with RU-Newark improves both overall.
 

RU_87

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I think you missed the point. The Rutgers system does not need to add any new engineering, failed campus, etc etc to it's portfolio. We do not need to detract and spend resources that are mostly duplicative or do not fill a need
Rutgers NB does not need to...but Rutgers Newark is not going away any time soon. Why have the state invest in other colleges when they can take that investment, that will never be going to RU NB, and bring it to RU Newark rather than many other colleges (NJIT in this example).
 

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If we were doing an NJ version of that process map, I think to start it would look like this:

Princeton = Rice (overachieving nerds)
Rutgers-NB = UT Austin (no explanation needed, the best all around public in each state)
Rowan = Texas A&M (the 2nd best state school with a bit of a conservative side due to South Jersey geography)
NJIT = Texas Tech (tech students)
Seton Hall = TCU (3rd/4th tier religious unversity)
TCNJ = SMU (TCNJ students have inflated views of themselves)
Rutgers-Camden = UT Dallas (commuter students who want the brand name but couldn't get into the main campus)
Stockton = Tarleton State (meh state schools just to say they got in somewhere)
Monmouth = Baylor (rich safety school kids)
Montclair State = Texas State

Not bad. But there is no way Rowan can be on the same line as Texas A&M. And that begins with the size of the school. And there is no equivalent to Trinity in New Jersey (private, wealthy student body, small, one step below Ivy, Rice status). You'd have to go Colgate, Lehigh. It has no name identity on the East Coast but is well known in the Midwest and Southwest.
 

bigmatt718

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Not bad. But there is no way Rowan can be on the same line as Texas A&M. And that begins with the size of the school. And there is no equivalent to Trinity in New Jersey (private, wealthy student body, small, one step below Ivy, Rice status). You'd have to go Colgate, Lehigh. It has no name identity on the East Coast but is well known in the Midwest and Southwest.
Maybe U of Houston for Rowan then.
 

Retired711

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Rutgers NB does not need to...but Rutgers Newark is not going away any time soon. Why have the state invest in other colleges when they can take that investment, that will never be going to RU NB, and bring it to RU Newark rather than many other colleges (NJIT in this example).
I agree with you. There is a more general issue here: what is the function of Newark and Camden? Should they be allowed to have programs that are also offered in New Brunswick? It seems to me the answer is yes when, as in the case of engineering, the program in New Brunswick can't realistically accept more students and there is significant unmet demand.
 

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Rider selling property to Mercer County for $10M.


The county’s board of commissioners unanimously approved three resolutions last week that include plans to buy a 56-acre lot on the edge of campus, purchase the school’s presidential house and lease school facilities for a county office.

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The sale of part of its campus could bring in significantly more money.


The costliest of the three resolutions by Mercer County’s board authorized the county’s executive to negotiate a purchase not to exceed $7,511,871 for a 56-acre lot on the edge of the campus that would be preserved as open space and serve as a public access point for a future trail project, county administrator Dan Benson told NJ.com.


The county would be eligible to recoup up to 50% of the purchase cost through the state’s Green Acres Planning Incentive Grant program, Benson said.

The county commissioners also agreed to authorize spending up to $1,065,000 million to acquire a Rider-owned property on Lawrence Road that serves as a residence for the university’s president. The deal would include negotiating a lease agreement so Rider could continue to use the house.

The commissioners also approved a resolution to proceed with a seven-year facility use agreement that would tota $1,423,128 and run through 2033. The facilities would be used as a “strategic site” for the county’s Office of Emergency Management.
 
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Rider selling property to Mercer County for $10M.


The county’s board of commissioners unanimously approved three resolutions last week that include plans to buy a 56-acre lot on the edge of campus, purchase the school’s presidential house and lease school facilities for a county office.

* * *

The sale of part of its campus could bring in significantly more money.


The costliest of the three resolutions by Mercer County’s board authorized the county’s executive to negotiate a purchase not to exceed $7,511,871 for a 56-acre lot on the edge of the campus that would be preserved as open space and serve as a public access point for a future trail project, county administrator Dan Benson told NJ.com.


The county would be eligible to recoup up to 50% of the purchase cost through the state’s Green Acres Planning Incentive Grant program, Benson said.

The county commissioners also agreed to authorize spending up to $1,065,000 million to acquire a Rider-owned property on Lawrence Road that serves as a residence for the university’s president. The deal would include negotiating a lease agreement so Rider could continue to use the house.

The commissioners also approved a resolution to proceed with a seven-year facility use agreement that would tota $1,423,128 and run through 2033. The facilities would be used as a “strategic site” for the county’s Office of Emergency Management.
Bailout! :)
 

bigmatt718

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Will this keep Rider alive long term or if they are simply delaying the inevitable is TBD. Still say Rider is one of the most vulnerable schools to the incoming enrollment cliff in about a decade or so in NJ because of a decline in college age kids. They're a private school with a private school price tag with mediocre academics and aren't religious/a boarding school for the rich. Sounds like 3 strikes when you read that out loud in terms of future enrollment.
 
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Will this keep Rider alive long term or if they are simply delaying the inevitable is TBD. Still say Rider is one of the most vulnerable schools to the incoming enrollment cliff in about a decade or so in NJ because of a decline in college age kids. They're a private school with a private school price tag with mediocre academics and aren't religious/a boarding school for the rich. Sounds like 3 strikes when you read that out loud in terms of future enrollment.
Great story, they will write their own one.
 

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Will this keep Rider alive long term or if they are simply delaying the inevitable is TBD. Still say Rider is one of the most vulnerable schools to the incoming enrollment cliff in about a decade or so in NJ because of a decline in college age kids. They're a private school with a private school price tag with mediocre academics and aren't religious/a boarding school for the rich. Sounds like 3 strikes when you read that out loud in terms of future enrollment.
It's only $10m. If enrollment doesn't improve, that money will get gone in a blink of an eye.
 

T2Kplus20

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Not at all, IMHO. A bailout would be if Rider was getting additional aid. Here Rider is selling off assets. It gets the money, but it loses real estate that it long thought valuable.
I was joking, but regardless, $10m isn't going to help much. Sure, they can cut their budget in half and downsize, but that will likely lead to even fewer students (due to fewer activities, sports, majors, etc.).