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BillyC80

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When I saw Francis was averaging 16.6 points for the season, I was surprised it wasn’t higher, because he’s been a veritable scoring machine since he went for 34 against Penn (and that includes a clunker of only 6 points at IL).

So I looked it up, and over the last 14 games, he’s:

- Averaging 21 points per game
- Shooting 43% FG, 48% from 2, 32% from 3
- Hitting 91% of his FTs (86-95 over 14 games)
- Averaging 2.5 asst, 1 TO, and 2 rebounds per game

Over these last 14 games he has scored 292 points on 262 possessions where he either shot the ball or was fouled.

I’m guessing that’s pretty good.
 
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Honestly, the shooting splits are pretty bad. His 48.7 eFG% ranks No. 80 out of 90 B1G Ten players averaging >50% of minutes played. Although in fairness, Rutgers' unimaginative offense and his high volume of late shot clock/iso shot attempts play a role in that.

It's everything else that has made him an effective scorer: his free-throw rate has doubled since last season, where he obviously shoots a super high percentage, and seldom turns the ball over. Nine assists combined against Maryland and Nebraska, the most in any two-game stretch for him this season, which is encouraging as well.
 
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seansherm

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PhillyRU said:
Honestly, the shooting splits are pretty bad. His 48.7 eFG% ranks No. 80 out of 90 B1G Ten players averaging >50% of minutes played. Although in fairness, Rutgers' unimaginative offense and his high volume of late shot clock/iso shot attempts play a role in that.

It's everything else that has made him an effective scorer: his free-throw rate has doubled since last season, where he obviously shoots a super high percentage, and seldom turns the ball over. Nine assists combined against Maryland and Nebraska, the most in any two-game stretch for him this season, which is encouraging as well.
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He's much more efficient than I had anticipated him to be. Only the very special high volume guys are high level efficiency also.
 
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RU848789

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Nice analysis - confirms what I had been thinking about how much better he has played since earlier in the year. Love how good he is at drawing contact and getting to the line, especially at >90%. Need to keep him.
 
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BillyC80

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PhillyRU said:
Honestly, the shooting splits are pretty bad. His 48.7 eFG% ranks No. 80 out of 90 B1G Ten players averaging >50% of minutes played. Although in fairness, Rutgers' unimaginative offense and his high volume of late shot clock/iso shot attempts play a role in that.

It's everything else that has made him an effective scorer: his free-throw rate has doubled since last season, where he obviously shoots a super high percentage, and seldom turns the ball over. Nine assists combined against Maryland and Nebraska, the most in any two-game stretch for him this season, which is encouraging as well.
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Your second paragraph describes him well, as an overall efficient scorer when you factor in FTs.

Case in point vs MD, he was 4-13 from the floor but was fouled in the act of shooting (or in bonus situations) 6 times (including once behind the arc), and went 12-13 at the line. It’s as though he went 6-6 from the floor on possessions where he was fouled.

Plus, his ability to draw fouls has an impact on the defense, making him tougher to cover while putting some opposing players in foul trouble.

And, as a 90% FT shooter, he is most likely to lock down wins in endgame situations where we have a lead.
 
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seansherm

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BillyC80 said:
Tariq keeping the momentum going, tonight at PSU:

22 points on 7-12 FG (1-3 from deep), 7-8 FTs, a whopping 7 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 turnovers.
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He had me a little flustered tonight. Really plays slow as the PG, ball doesn't move, but he gets assists cause he waits and passes once the double comes at him after he's dribbled a bit. His passing is a tick slow. Nice all round game again though.
 
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The more he plays like this the more I appreciate him

but it also raises my fear that his market in the transfer portal is continuously growing in number of teams and number of dollars
 
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BillyC80

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Mholinko said:
The more he plays like this the more I appreciate him

but it also raises my fear that his market in the transfer portal is continuously growing in number of teams and number of dollars
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I hear you, and I agree that his performance will make it that much tougher to keep him.

But that’s the world we’re playing in now, so imo we have to find a way to pay him fair market value while bringing in a legit big time center, if we want to compete in this new environment.

Btw one side benefit of pay-for-play is that it has become a big motivator for performance and effort, beyond working hard just to get playing time.
 
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seansherm said:
He had me a little flustered tonight. Really plays slow as the PG, ball doesn't move, but he gets assists cause he waits and passes once the double comes at him after he's dribbled a bit. His passing is a tick slow. Nice all round game again though.
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Agree that his passing is a tick slow. There was an instance tonight where he had Lino wide open on his right for an easy fast-break layup. Instead, he held the ball too long. It didn't hurt us, though. Zrno hit a 3-pointer to end the possession.

Go to the 1:38 mark...
 
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seansherm said:
He had me a little flustered tonight. Really plays slow as the PG, ball doesn't move, but he gets assists cause he waits and passes once the double comes at him after he's dribbled a bit. His passing is a tick slow. Nice all round game again though.
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I saw that too and I think his game is all about changing speeds and finding a weak spot or a space that he can exploit. This differs from Lino who moves at top speed all the time.

Both can be effective and I agree that Tariq looks at the double teams coming toward him as an opportunity to find an open man, though he is a little slower on those passes than he should be.
 
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that’s because he’s not really a point guard but has to play the point when he’s in the starting lineup with that group. hes really a combo guard (really a scoring 2) in an undersized point guards body. in an ideal world we have a bigger point guard who handles and tariq is playing more on the wing and still getting buckets and can’t be doubled as easily
 
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BillyC80 said:
I saw that too and I think his game is all about changing speeds and finding a weak spot or a space that he can exploit. This differs from Lino who moves at top speed all the time.

Both can be effective and I agree that Tariq looks at the double teams coming toward him as an opportunity to find an open man, though he is a little slower on those passes than he should be.
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You can see him recognize the pass he should make, but then he's got this split second hesitation that takes the pass away. Its amazing to watch in real time. PG obvs isn't his best role so you can't get mad at the kid for it, but could have won that easier down the stretch w a real PG and even just EO clogging the lane.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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PhillyRU said:
Honestly, the shooting splits are pretty bad. His 48.7 eFG% ranks No. 80 out of 90 B1G Ten players averaging >50% of minutes played. Although in fairness, Rutgers' unimaginative offense and his high volume of late shot clock/iso shot attempts play a role in that.
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There’s nothing “bad” about Tariq’s paper metrics. He’s shooting over 43% overall. How many guards have we had do that on 32.7% shooting from 3. Of those, how many shoot 90% from FT line on high volume. It’s not a big number.
 
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seansherm said:
You can see him recognize the pass he should make, but then he's got this split second hesitation that takes the pass away. Its amazing to watch in real time. PG obvs isn't his best role so you can't get mad at the kid for it, but could have won that easier down the stretch w a real PG and even just EO clogging the lane.
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He’s getting better each game. Most notably at protecting the ball which is the most important thing. I think the passing in stride will follow when he’s more comfortable in the role. It’s obvious Pike is trying to mold him to take on more minutes at point. He shouldn’t play there the whole game but if he can absorb 15 or so minutes there without hurting us that would be great. He’d have a whole off season to work on it.
 
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BillyC80 said:
When I saw Francis was averaging 16.6 points for the season, I was surprised it wasn’t higher, because he’s been a veritable scoring machine since he went for 34 against Penn (and that includes a clunker of only 6 points at IL).

So I looked it up, and over the last 14 games, he’s:

- Averaging 21 points per game
- Shooting 43% FG, 48% from 2, 32% from 3
- Hitting 91% of his FTs (86-95 over 14 games)
- Averaging 2.5 asst, 1 TO, and 2 rebounds per game

Over these last 14 games he has scored 292 points on 262 possessions where he either shot the ball or was fouled.

I’m guessing that’s pretty good.
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Impressive. If his assists can double so will RU's success on offense.
 
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Commentators made an interesting point about Tariq coming off the bench - he’s an unselfish player by nature, so when he was in the starting 5, he’d focus on getting his teammates going first. Coming off the bench, he comes in focused on getting himself going.
 
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PSAL_Hoops said:
There’s nothing “bad” about Tariq’s paper metrics. He’s shooting over 43% overall. How many guards have we had do that on 32.7% shooting from 3. Of those, how many shoot 90% from FT line on high volume. It’s not a big number.
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If Knight leaves and takes Tarique with him I'm fine with the trade off, and he really hasn't been very good the last two games.
 
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Bob Chaewsky_rivals said:
If Knight leaves and takes Tarique with him I'm fine with the trade off, and he really hasn't been very good the last two games.
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Cmon seriously? the kid has been the most consistent scoring for us the whole season. He's the one player I'd like to try and retain for some continuity for next season.
 
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Bob Chaewsky_rivals said:
If Knight leaves and takes Tarique with him I'm fine with the trade off, and he really hasn't been very good the last two games.
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We start with nothing if we don’t have Tariq. Thats the reality. No starting point. Everyone else is a collection of role players and “potential” to become something they aren’t right now. But that’s not a vision you can sell to convince the players you need to come here.

And no - that’s not meant as a dig on everyone else or a statement that they can’t or won’t develop but when your trying to convince a competent Big man that he could be the missing puzzle piece, a solid foundation of the puzzle needs to be established based on what was done this season. Lino, Powers and Zrno each having a handful of nice games doesn’t accomplish this in the same way as Tariq would. Not even close. I’d like to keep some of these guys because at the end of the day - we need 12-14 guys and I don’t expect nor think it’s realistic to even hope we call land more than 3 good players from the portal. But Tariq has to be top priority.
 
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You can’t blame Tariq if he cashes in and heads elsewhere next year for more money. Kid has had a big year in a big step up in the level of competition to the BIG. Someone may make him a big offer and I would not blame him one bit if he took it. Could be the most money he ever gets paid to play basketball, would not blame him at all. I expect better programs than RU will be in pursuit of him.
 
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red sail said:
Cmon seriously? the kid has been the most consistent scoring for us the whole season. He's the one player I'd like to try and retain for some continuity for next season.
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he’s been great as a 6th man, but not as a starting pg
 
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RAC93 said:
You can’t blame Tariq if he cashes in and heads elsewhere next year for more money. Kid has had a big year in a big step up in the level of competition to the BIG. Someone may make him a big offer and I would not blame him one bit if he took it. Could be the most money he ever gets paid to play basketball, would not blame him at all. I expect better programs than RU will be in pursuit of him.
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If Rutgers can't keep these sort of guys, what are we doing? Might as well downgrade to lower competition level. No one wants that.
 
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If Rutgers can't keep these sort of guys, what are we doing? Might as well downgrade to lower competition level. No one wants that.
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We couldn’t keep Cam, Paul, and Cliff in recent years. I am already assuming that it will play out the same with Tariq. I hope I am wrong, but if winning programs offer him more or the same money as RU, we can’t really blame him if he leaves for greener pastures with a chance to win and play in the tourney, possible for a big name program to make a deep run in tourney like Cliff and Cam ended up doing.
 
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RAC93 said:
We couldn’t keep Cam, Paul, and Cliff in recent years. I am already assuming that it will play out the same with Tariq. I hope I am wrong, but if winning programs offer him more or the same money as RU, we can’t really blame him if he leaves for greener pastures with a chance to win and play in the tourney, possible for a big name program to make a deep run in tourney like Cliff and Cam ended up doing.
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Why? Hasn’t it been made abundantly clear that Hobbs dropped the ball big time on NIL fundraising and that Kelli Zin has re-structured the AD office to flip the script BIG time by raising funds to make sure that what you note doesn’t happen anymore?

I swear some RU fans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

GO RU
 
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satnom said:
Why? Hasn’t it been made abundantly clear that Hobbs dropped the ball big time on NIL fundraising and that Kelli Zin has re-structured the AD office to flip the script BIG time by raising funds to make sure that what you note doesn’t happen anymore?

I swear some RU fans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

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We will have more NIL next year than during Hobbs, but so will everyone else and those other programs that will still be able to outspend us actually have winning programs with established histories while we still point to a team from 1976 as our only semblance of basketball winning and success. Thus, as Izzo said, we’ll still be in the category of the “have nots” and not the haves. I would still think that we are unable to keep Francis due to the fact that we’ll have less money to throw around than other programs combined with the fact those other programs are winning programs. I hope I am wrong as Francis can fill it up as he has showed this season.
 
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BillyC80

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Of course anything can happen, but I believe Knight will show loyalty to Pike for at least one more season, and we’ll retain Tariq as a result.
 
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Real Life hypothetical, very well could happen- an Auburn, or Alabama offers Tariq 2 mil. SEC, fast paced, high scoring, prove yourself for pro deal, and RU offers 1-1.5mil and Knight stays, does Tariq turn down that SEC Money?
 
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MCKnight said:
Real Life hypothetical, very well could happen- an Auburn, or Alabama offers Tariq 2 mil. SEC, fast paced, high scoring, prove yourself for pro deal, and RU offers 1-1.5mil and Knight stays, does Tariq turn down that SEC Money?
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If there’s a $1 million gap in what we can offer, then he would be foolish not to leave. I think if we can get within 250k of his best offer then he would stay, assuming Knight stays too.
 
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Bob Chaewsky_rivals

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red sail said:
Cmon seriously? the kid has been the most consistent scoring for us the whole season. He's the one player I'd like to try and retain for some continuity for next season.
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I just think we win more games with a competent offfensive mind on the bench then we do by keeping Francis. That's all I said, and that Francis hasn't been that great the last two games, and he hasn't - no more.
 
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