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Colin2299

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Watched Alex Rodriquez interviewed recently and he said that he never would have made it in today’s world of youth sports because he was poor and wouldn’t have been able to afford travel ball and all the training kids get today. He grew up playing in house ball which was talented but is no longer because all the good kids are now playing travel and thus wouldn’t have had a place to play against good competition.

This resonates to those of us who live in Chicagoland where competitive in house teams are a thing of the past.

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Maybe it is just the sample size I see playing at our school, but many of the "travel" teams I see are no better than the house league teams I played for/against in early 90s. It is basically a more expensive version of the same thing.

On a side note, I got to watch one of the top AAU basketball teams "practice" a couple years ago. It consisted of about a 45 minute stretch, plays on air and some shooting with the 8 kids who were there.
 
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Maybe it is just the sample size I see playing at our school, but many of the "travel" teams I see are no better than the house league teams I played for/against in early 90s. It is basically a more expensive version of the same thing.

On a side note, I got to watch one of the top AAU basketball teams "practice" a couple years ago. It consisted of about a 45 minute stretch, plays on air and some shooting with the 8 kids who were there.
Yes, it is a money grab. Adults figured it out, they ruin everything about youth sports.
Travel baseball meant you were a very very very good baseball player when I played in the early/mid 90's. Travel baseball means nothing today except a large bill....and it is not just baseball.
 

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Yes, it is a money grab. Adults figured it out, they ruin everything about youth sports.
Travel baseball meant you were a very very very good baseball player when I played in the early/mid 90's. Travel baseball means nothing today except a large bill....and it is not just baseball.
I agree with all that but its all we have now for our kids. I have a great experience playing in house all summer which allowed me to also play basketball (summer league) and football (practice) all summer. Not possible anymore.
 

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I agree with all that but its all we have now for our kids. I have a great experience playing in house all summer which allowed me to also play basketball (summer league) and football (practice) all summer. Not possible anymore.
And it goes beyond the loss of in-house baseball. Do you ever see kids playing pickup games of baseball at the local park or school? That seems to be a thing of the past as well.
 

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And it goes beyond the loss of in-house baseball. Do you ever see kids playing pickup games of baseball at the local park or school? That seems to be a thing of the past as well.
I do see kids playing baseball/football at the park or wiffle ball in a yard in my neighborhood from time to time. When my sons were younger(they are in their early/mid 20's now) they played baseball/basketball/football in the neighborhood with their friends all the time. It was not that long ago. My younger son still plays hoops with his friends in the driveway as well as football at the local park when he comes home from college.
 
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At least in my area In House Baseball still exists and does well, just not past a certain age. There is no Travel Tee Ball.....yet. But In House leagues pretty much fall apart around the 10U age...or 4th grade, so they got about a 6 year shelf life.

There is a Sunday Flex League where other in house teams play each other. Mini sample travel between House teams only. Great idea but of course those Sunday only games turned into Wed, Sat and Sunday games in addition to their In House games.

There used to be Summer All Star teams between house leagues that kept interest on kids sticking around and outside of families complaining that their kid didn't make it, they were fun and was some pretty good youth baseball. But those tournaments seem to be ending.

In my area, house leagues like Ridge Beverly, Merrionette Park and Evergreen Park offer a more reasonably priced Full Time Travel team at 11U under their in house name and Insurance just to keep teams together and kids playing at parks. Lot of these teams are better then the Full Time like Top Tier and Sparks.

Full Time Travel was meant for kids that were above average and maybe looking for more of a challenge then House. Not the kid who got a 4 error HR that he is going to count as a HR, but the kid who legitimately crushes the ball continuously and plays the field well. But of course it has become a "Keeping up with the Jones's" where my kid wants to play travel too so a lot of these travel accommodated these families by starting B teams and C teams where they are God awful teams that get slaughtered often but your kid gets to walk around with a TT hat. It's such a money grab.

Some of these teams are amazing and some of these players are obviously outstanding ball players and athletes for the Chicagoland area but for the thousands of kids that play travel ball in IL they learn pretty quick how good you truly have to be to go far in this game. Be realistic parents! If your kid loves it by all means support them but don't push them or throw them in the deep end. Tons of good, reasonably priced, youth baseball available.
 
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And with all that cost investment it forces families and kids into early specialization. Many kids will get burnt out when it's been all travel by age 8.

Keeping my kids out of travel as long as I can. We'll let them do some summer skills camps, but play house leagues as long as we can, and as many sports as they can.
 

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In my experience, which is somewhat minimal in this department, when talking to kids who played a lot of travel ball, after all is said and done, they didn't have very enjoyable experiences. As sophs kids are all in for travel but by junior year, they are burnt out and don't even want to play that sport in college.

I fear NIL will make it much worse than it already is since parents will see more financial opportunity for their children.

On the flip side, Keaton Wagler, a guard for U of I basketball opted to not play for his local AAU team not on a national Nike sponsored team. We was 200+ in the rankings but is now in the running for Freshman of the Year.
 

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I have a buddy in the Dallas burbs who grew up both rich and poor (father is an idiot) and does pretty well for himself, but he is not "Texas Rich." His daughter, now a junior, has been a very good soccer player all of her life, but he was dismayed by the pressure to join multi-thousand-dollar clubs at age 7 or play in a "house league" where there were just nine practices and six games a season. His kid - as well as many others - wanted more. He and a couple of other fathers decided to create their own "club" - but only this age group. They footed much of the cost for field rentals, kits, tourney fees and insurance. These are all football-playing Dads, but each earned AYSO licenses and they bring in trainers for specific skills.

And the kids play for free, or kick in what the family can.

Over the years, they have progressed from the D-level travel leagues to the open class. Their roster ebbs and flows more than others because girls get recruited to other fancy clubs. Many have returned after seeing no advantage.

A handful of his girls are getting D2 interest for college, including his daughter. Most of those kids would not have been able to chase that if this team did not exist.

His only rule for exclusion is transplanted Californians. He dealt with a wave of that and the kids and parents were nightmares!!!!
 
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Colin2299

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Back to the question at hand, is coming from a family that can't afford travel/AAU going to hurt you more today than it did 20 years ago?
 

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Interesting topic. Just this morning I listened to an interview with Ex-MLB All Star, Mark Teixeira on Sirius. He said much of the same thing as A-Rod. He went a little further into it saying the people it benefits most are the people making money from it.

Some things so many people take for granted where baseball is concerned. Not all guys who have signed contracts or made it to the big leagues were superstars as kids. Yeah, they were better. Teixeira said when he was a kid there weren't nearly as many travel teams as there are now. I think that explains why the quality of play has gone so far down over the years.

The thing about travel baseball is the fact it is more of a suburb, rural thing. People who have the means can put up the money for all of it. I can only imagine, in todays world, how much it costs to put a kid on a competitive travel baseball or softball team that plays a lot of tournaments.

And a lot of parents are star struck when it comes to their kids. I have often and always said, when it comes to their own kids' talent 95+% are NOT objective. As far as baseball goes, parents are SO unrealistic. If you took ALL of the guys who have EVER played Major League baseball and had them in the same place you wouldn't have enough guys to fill half of a major league stadium. Only about 23,000 have made it to that level. I mean EVER. Even if the guy got one career at bat, he is in that group.

To take it a step further, if you took an estimate of all of the guys who signed professional contracts that number goes to over 300,000 all time. So between 13 and 14 times as many as get to the bigs. That sounds like a big number...but it isn't.

Right now, it is estimated that about 450,000-500,000 HS kids are playing baseball...each year. Then you add about 39,000 playing in college each year and you can see, getting drafted or signing a contract to get paid professionally is a very select group to get into.

And if we back up, only about 8.1% of high school kids playing baseball will play in college at any level.

What I just explained in these last few paragraphs is something 99% of parents have no clue about. And when I coached I always told parents, "tell your kid to pay attention in school."
 

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In my experience, which is somewhat minimal in this department, when talking to kids who played a lot of travel ball, after all is said and done, they didn't have very enjoyable experiences. As sophs kids are all in for travel but by junior year, they are burnt out and don't even want to play that sport in college.

I fear NIL will make it much worse than it already is since parents will see more financial opportunity for their children.

On the flip side, Keaton Wagler, a guard for U of I basketball opted to not play for his local AAU team not on a national Nike sponsored team. We was 200+ in the rankings but is now in the running for Freshman of the Year.
Wagler played for a local/KC based team but VWBA still played tournaments all over the country. He played "travel" ball, just not EYBL
 
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Pay to play sucks. 99% of the kids in those leagues amount to nothing athletically.
That said, it's hard to argue with a kid, or mom or dad, trying to cash in on their kids "prime." Whether that be in 6th grade or 6th year pro.
 

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Just catching up on this entire thread...there is a really good book titled "Take Back The Game," by Linda Flannagan. Highly recommend you read it, especially if you want to gain a different perspective on why travel ball is ruining community sports. It's also hampering kids ability to develop social-emotional intelligence and real world skills.
 
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Just catching up on this entire thread...there is a really good book titled "Take Back The Game," by Linda Flannagan. Highly recommend you read it, especially if you want to gain a different perspective on why travel ball is ruining community sports. It's also hampering kids ability to develop social-emotional intelligence and real world skills.
I have not read the book. But that sounds like it may be quite the reach attributing that all to "travel" ball. Especially given that "travel" ball has taken on a completely different meaning now compared to 20 years ago.
 
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I have not read the book. But that sounds like it may be quite the reach attributing that all to "travel" ball. Especially given that "travel" ball has taken on a completely different meaning now compared to 20 years ago.
It was designed for kids that may have been playing at a higher level or showing a real taking the game and wanting a more challenging experience then house or house all stars could offer. Then it turned into a Keeping up with the Jones and "My kid wants to play too" and it then blew up to a huge money grab. Definitely still some great competition but it's for the most part heavily padded especially at the younger level. Gets better at 14U and up....best is the competitive teams that play in silver tournaments to go trophy hunting so they can post that they won a championship
 

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I have not read the book. But that sounds like it may be quite the reach attributing that all to "travel" ball. Especially given that "travel" ball has taken on a completely different meaning now compared to 20 years ago.
The book also dives into the importance of how pickup sports were so beneficial for kids social skills, including learning essential life skills such as conflict resolution.
 

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Just catching up on this entire thread...there is a really good book titled "Take Back The Game," by Linda Flannagan. Highly recommend you read it, especially if you want to gain a different perspective on why travel ball is ruining community sports. It's also hampering kids ability to develop social-emotional intelligence and real world skills.
Are we talking about travel ball hampering kids' ability to develop social-emotional intelligence and real world skills? Because if you think travel ball is guilty of that, you had better first look to social platforms like TikTok and others to find your answers to those problems. And if Linda Flanagan is not exploring social media first, then the book is worthless unless she puts it all together.
 
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Many travel teams and programs arent what they used to be either. If you have $$$ you can be a "travel player" no matter your skill level.

Let kids be kids, play recreationally and have fun, live outside the restraint of 5-8 games a weekend while traveling to god knows where.
 
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Down here, in the good ol days of newspapers and whatnot, even the BEST baseball kids played on their Khoury League or Jackie Robinson League team through 8th grade. The top players then tried out for Junior Legion 8th-grade summer until they turned 16. Then you tried for a Legion Team spot. Some of those guys also played in the men's Mon-Clair League (Monroe and St. Clair County) teams. Those were the guys who played college or got drafted. Club teams started to pop up for those older elites in the mid 90s down here. Those have replaced the Legion track, sadly. It was much more fun to root for the locals from a specific Legion Hall if they made the state/national tourneys. There was community pride in their success and guys could talk about playing with/against such and such guy back when they were kids.

Now, no one gives a poop about travel team successes.
 
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The wild growth also stretches the quality coaching too thin. Most of the coaches of these teams don't have a clue what they are doing. So you get a mix of daddy-ball coaches, terrible instruction, and over reliance on young arms that leads to increased injuries. Witnessed a dad yelling at a coach a while ago about getting the kids into "more tournaments that scouts are at!"....the team was in the 11U bracket.
 
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The wild growth also stretches the quality coaching too thin. Most of the coaches of these teams don't have a clue what they are doing. So you get a mix of daddy-ball coaches, terrible instruction, and over reliance on young arms that leads to increased injuries. Witnessed a dad yelling at a coach a while ago about getting the kids into "more tournaments that scouts are at!"....the team was in the 11U bracket.
Even the coaches with the best intentions get sucked into winning over developing. Mostly due to the parents. Then they resort to telling each parent what they want to hear, but don't fulfill those "promises" when the time comes.
 

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My son plays both travel baseball and basketball.

One of my favorite stories was sitting court side watching my son’s hoops team getting mauled. I asked father of the opposing team team sitting next to me where their team drew from.

“Well, we’re base out of Willow Springs but we got boys from Lemont, Lockport, Westmont, Glen Ellyn and I think one from Chicago. How about you guys?”

“We’re all from the west side.”

“Of the city?!?”

“No. The Fox River in Geneva”

He was absolutely stunned that all our boys came from the same town.

My nephew played on multiple travel baseball teams. He is from Glen Ellyn. Every year seemingly he’s have different teammates and coaches.
 
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My son plays both travel baseball and basketball.

One of my favorite stories was sitting court side watching my son’s hoops team getting mauled. I asked father of the opposing team team sitting next to me where their team drew from.

“Well, we’re base out of Willow Springs but we got boys from Lemont, Lockport, Westmont, Glen Ellyn and I think one from Chicago. How about you guys?”

“We’re all from the west side.”

“Of the city?!?”

“No. The Fox River in Geneva”

He was absolutely stunned that all our boys came from the same town.

My nephew played on multiple travel baseball teams. He is from Glen Ellyn. Every year seemingly he’s have different teammates and coaches.
My son played Travel basketball for a minute. We had a kid in our Jr. High (Oswego) that played for a travel team out of Evanston that was sponsored by some "high roller". They were flying all over the country to play. That being said, he also was recruited to Kentucky and now plays for Pitino at St. Johns.
 
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My son played Travel basketball for a minute. We had a kid in our Jr. High (Oswego) that played for a travel team out of Evanston that was sponsored by some "high roller". They were flying all over the country to play. That being said, he also was recruited to Kentucky and now plays for Pitino at St. Johns.
1) wouldn’t that get exhausting traveling from Evanston to Oswego?!? I’d complain when we had to drive to Plainfield.
2) our kids and parents have no illusions about scholarships or college destinations. If it happens, great, but the programs here are designed to teach and get kids prepared athletically for high school.
3) We’re lucky that there is very little in-fighting here given it’s not a big town and everyone is (generally) pulling in the same direction. My son’s class will lose one of their best basketball players to Wheaton Academy (long family ties) but for the most part they stick together from third grade to HS graduation.
 

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1) wouldn’t that get exhausting traveling from Evanston to Oswego?!? I’d complain when we had to drive to Plainfield.
2) our kids and parents have no illusions about scholarships or college destinations. If it happens, great, but the programs here are designed to teach and get kids prepared athletically for high school.
3) We’re lucky that there is very little in-fighting here given it’s not a big town and everyone is (generally) pulling in the same direction. My son’s class will lose one of their best basketball players to Wheaton Academy (long family ties) but for the most part they stick together from third grade to HS graduation.
Well he ended up going to Fenwick so...
 

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This thread reminds me that I saw the Naperville Patriots shut down. I wonder how or if this will affect certain schools football program.
 

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Well he ended up going to Fenwick so...
Not in 7th and 8th grade. He was doing this then.

Which is another good story. He went to Fenwick (moved to Oak Park) to play for Malnatti, who left after a year or two. Had he stayed in Oswego, his teams were likely better, specifically his JR. Year.
 
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My son played Travel basketball for a minute. We had a kid in our Jr. High (Oswego) that played for a travel team out of Evanston that was sponsored by some "high roller". They were flying all over the country to play. That being said, he also was recruited to Kentucky and now plays for Pitino at St. Johns.
He's a good player.
 
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I think a lot of where a kid plays should depend on how competitive he or she wants to be. Some kids don't want to play at more competitive levels, but play competitive ball because it's where the parents want them to play. I saw that a lot back when my kids were playing at the junior high levels. Believe me, the kids objectively know who the best players are more than the parents and most coaches at that level do.

When the time came, I gave my kids a choice. I didn't want to see them playing at a level they didn't belong in. But there were parents who did put their kids in danger of injury because they would put them on teams they kids couldn't handle. And when that happens, the kid gets injured and certainly doesn't have any fun. No kid wants to play on a team where all the other players have far more skills.

With that said, I don't think it is all the parents' fault. Some of these guys giving pitching and hitting lessons are flat out lying to kids and their parents about the talent level of the player. I have witnesses it. There is serious overhead in these facilities and you need to have all time slots taken...or most of them.

Again, I am so glad my kids were getting in on the ground floor of travel baseball, softball and volleyball. Not too many teams. Competition was good and most importantly they wanted to play competitively.

I saw earlier where someone named all the places kids came from. When my oldest son was playing travel baseball ball in HS years, his team had players from, Providence, JCA, Lockport, Sandburg, Stagg, Shepard, MC, Plainfield Central and I am probably forgetting somewhere else. It was an excellent team and the competition, especially in tournaments was outstanding. But it was what he wanted. Same for my youngest daughter.

She played softball with he Stone City Sharks program. without question the most competitive schedule in the Chicagoland area. A lot of those girls got college money and a healthy percentage got DI money including my girl. Blah, blah, blah.

My wife and I were just talking about this on our walk yesterday. We spent six figures and then some over about 15 years or so in a row for all of them. We had four playing at one time for a short period. But when we look back on it, we felt it was a good investment because it kept them too busy to find trouble, if nothing else. They all liked playing. We do, at times, miss watching them play. But we do NOT miss some of the parents nonsense.

When I went to their baseball or softball games I took my lawn chair and would go all the way down the right or left field line to watch the game mostly by myself. I didn't care to hear the gossip or hear people complaining in the bleachers about playing time, etc. I just went on my own to mind my own business. LOL