Rank these offenses for high school football
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If these rankings are based on most effective / easy to teach / likelihood of instant success then I think it goes
Wing T
Double wing
Air raid
Spread option
Pro I
RPO
The reason is bc most high schools don’t have a quality throwing qb so the wing T is fb dive, belly, buck sweep, and occasional counter . Quick to teach and get reps . Double wing is similar . A bit more motion with that if u want . Air raid can work if u have undersized linemen and a quality Qb - the reads are quick and easy , basically creating triangles and reading . RPO takes experience Qb and experience linemen .
Wing T
Double wing
Air raid
Spread option
Pro I
RPO
The reason is bc most high schools don’t have a quality throwing qb so the wing T is fb dive, belly, buck sweep, and occasional counter . Quick to teach and get reps . Double wing is similar . A bit more motion with that if u want . Air raid can work if u have undersized linemen and a quality Qb - the reads are quick and easy , basically creating triangles and reading . RPO takes experience Qb and experience linemen .
I got nothing against pro I , just don’t see it much anymore .
I think a lot of people today want to be multiple and I'm not sure that's always possible. If you have athletes that are smart and a QB that can throw then that's more likely. For the most part, I believe yr offense has to fit your culture. The Salem "I" comes to mind.
Too many coaches latch on to what is trendy and forget that the goal is to win. You can't run the spread with mules. I also believe that in a lot of situations, one has to marry a system. You can't flirt with different styles.
Personally, I like the "I" for the very reason someone stated above. You just don't see it much anymore. For that matter, anything under center these days is different and makes an opponent prepare differently. One opposing coach told me a few years ago that they had been in the gun so long he had to teach his QB how to take a snap from under center so he could run scout team.
Too many coaches latch on to what is trendy and forget that the goal is to win. You can't run the spread with mules. I also believe that in a lot of situations, one has to marry a system. You can't flirt with different styles.
Personally, I like the "I" for the very reason someone stated above. You just don't see it much anymore. For that matter, anything under center these days is different and makes an opponent prepare differently. One opposing coach told me a few years ago that they had been in the gun so long he had to teach his QB how to take a snap from under center so he could run scout team.
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I vote for the team with the best offensive line that has the most innovative (on offense) coach.
Rank offensive line from 1 to 10 and rank offensive coaching by innovation from 1 to 10, and the team with the highest average of those 2 rankings above has the best offense, regardless of the offensive type listed above; therefore, any of the 5 offensive systems you listed above are the best.....or worst.
Rank offensive line from 1 to 10 and rank offensive coaching by innovation from 1 to 10, and the team with the highest average of those 2 rankings above has the best offense, regardless of the offensive type listed above; therefore, any of the 5 offensive systems you listed above are the best.....or worst.
Not ranking them, but there are too many teams that think they can run the spread without having the personnel or the coaching to run the spread.
That makes for a bad product.
That makes for a bad product.
What is spread. Is what Louisa runs spread? I think I remember them running some h back formations and stuff like that. Is what Phoebus ran spread?
High schools run a lot of receivers to just run power and counter.
Not knocking it. But what are the core concepts and tenants that make the spread the spread, and is that what high school coaches are actually running. Or are they just running 10 personnel?
I think there is some nuance between these shotgun snapping high schools run offenses that are unique (not exactly spread) but not quite a bona fide system in their own right either. Like what is this:
Certainly not spread but also wouldn’t just call it pistol, pistol to me is just a formation. Lots of power runs and triple option type concepts.
Anyway EC glass did well here. Like this offense a lot.
High schools run a lot of receivers to just run power and counter.
Not knocking it. But what are the core concepts and tenants that make the spread the spread, and is that what high school coaches are actually running. Or are they just running 10 personnel?
I think there is some nuance between these shotgun snapping high schools run offenses that are unique (not exactly spread) but not quite a bona fide system in their own right either. Like what is this:
Certainly not spread but also wouldn’t just call it pistol, pistol to me is just a formation. Lots of power runs and triple option type concepts.
Anyway EC glass did well here. Like this offense a lot.
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To me
Pro I base concepts:
Off tackle
Counter
Iso
Playaction off the above
Wing t base concepts:
Buck sweep
Waggle
Criss-cross counter
Rocket toss
spread:
Uh screens?
Pro I base concepts:
Off tackle
Counter
Iso
Playaction off the above
Wing t base concepts:
Buck sweep
Waggle
Criss-cross counter
Rocket toss
spread:
Uh screens?
Most "spread" schemes are just 10 and 11 personnel at this level. They arent running a true scheme. Most "spread" schemes use a lot of wing t concepts. Everything pretty much boils down to power, iso, lead or veer. The rest is just window dressing.
I really don't think their are a ton of committed Air Raid/Run & Shoot teams in high school so when I reference "Spread" I'm thinking the following:
You can effectively run from the gun. To me, ball control is a big key to success.
- Shotgun 100% of the time
- 10 personnel 75% or more
- Throwing 50% or more
You can effectively run from the gun. To me, ball control is a big key to success.
I agree, but it also depends on the opponents. In its "hay days," Richlands was a spread offense (mostly). Their personnel was not alarmingly more talented at WR compared to most of the competition (like Graham and Union/PV/Gate City). But, their OL was solid and Greg Mance (their coach) was an offensive wizard. Still, they didnt have abundance of speed at the wiideout positions, but the Opponents. The opponents are key. No team back in far SWVA was running spread offense back in 2005, so that means.......those teams defenses are not use to seeing it. Richlands offense was effective for reasons stated above, but also because it was different or foreign to its opponents back west. They had trouble preparing for it in practice, so that was a case where maybe not having the elite personnel to run spread effectively against teams that see the spread and have speed was effective because at that time, teams in SWVA didnt run it and didnt see it other than Richlands, so that means, preparing for it becomes a problem.
I think Radford 2 or 3 years would be considered a true spread/air raid.
From teams I watched last year, Maury was probably the only one I saw running a true air raid/spread that committed to air raid concepts.
Dinwiddie runs a true spread offense but they run a lot of counter and outside zone/stretch plays.
Huguenot runs a spread but I wouldn't say they were a true air raid offense.
Freeman is in shotgun 90% of the time but I would say they are a single wing team. They do a lot motion and window dressing and run buck sweep really well.
As for the best offense I think it either a well executed air raid or some version of Wing T flexbone.
Most coaches probably try fit the offense to their personnel but I think there is something to be said about changing the culture of your program to fit your system. You won't always have the natural bodies for your system but your training and off season program should be making those guys fit into the needed roles as best as possible.
From teams I watched last year, Maury was probably the only one I saw running a true air raid/spread that committed to air raid concepts.
Dinwiddie runs a true spread offense but they run a lot of counter and outside zone/stretch plays.
Huguenot runs a spread but I wouldn't say they were a true air raid offense.
Freeman is in shotgun 90% of the time but I would say they are a single wing team. They do a lot motion and window dressing and run buck sweep really well.
As for the best offense I think it either a well executed air raid or some version of Wing T flexbone.
Most coaches probably try fit the offense to their personnel but I think there is something to be said about changing the culture of your program to fit your system. You won't always have the natural bodies for your system but your training and off season program should be making those guys fit into the needed roles as best as possible.