Realistically, How Quickly Can We Move On From Sha?
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The team and coach have over achieved this year. Pre season posters predicted seven BE wins, and I thought they were crazy.
Expectations through early January grew ridiculously high. Are the team's offensive woes due to its lack of talent or the coaching scheme? On another note, for the rest of the season Himes needs to play the bulk of the time at center. I like Payne a lot, but two scoreless games tell the tale.
Expectations through early January grew ridiculously high. Are the team's offensive woes due to its lack of talent or the coaching scheme? On another note, for the rest of the season Himes needs to play the bulk of the time at center. I like Payne a lot, but two scoreless games tell the tale.
Word has it he spent $6M on this roster. Imagine if he targeted talent instead of depth? With a different approach, he could absolutely compete. I don't want to hear that UConn spends X and St. John's spends Y. $6M is a lot of money and he's got to use it wisely. Horses. He needs horses. Oh and Felt said that he will be upping the ante to remain in the middle of the pack. So how is it that we get swept by DePaul and lay yet another egg in a must-win game? Coaching perhaps?
Let's see how this season plays out and then next season too.
If Seton Hall doesn't make a sizable metric improvement on offense next season, that's almost a criminal offense.
If Seton Hall doesn't make a sizable metric improvement on offense next season, that's almost a criminal offense.
Bingo - really tough to watch last night. Big spend for not much entertainment.
Have they really overachieved? 7 of their league wins have come against the worst teams
Still a stupid post. Hes not goimg anywhere
I believe the answer is both. Far exceeded my expectations. Sight unseen I thought if everything clicked we could win 7 BigEast games. The first half against SJU at MSG was excellent. Unfortunately, they screwed it up. I thought they went toe to toe against UConn except for one segment of the game. On the other hand they came very close to getting swept by both DePaul and Butler, with two lackluster home games on top of that?????
We’re mediocre. 8-8. 0-4 against the good teams and, again, lost two HOME games by double digits to a 5-10 team and a 6-9 team.
Why we’re out. Disappointing. But deserved.
Why we’re out. Disappointing. But deserved.
They better beat GTown because there is now a realistic chance that DePaul could pass The Hall for 5th place. They probably need 2 wins or that may happen. Beyond disappointing. I still hold out hope they beat GTown, Xavier and SJU.
Our starting center put up a goose egg.
we also have come to learn throughout the season that he is apparently one of highest paid players if not the highest.
that can’t happen if that’s where your resources are being spent.
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There is no excuse for a player not being in shape on a basketball team as people are saying about Hines; must work harder!
Second straight with 0.
He struggles mightily. Plays offense like his feet are in cinder blocks. He’s not strong with the ball in traffic, hesitates way too much.
But Sha loves his type of profile: defense-first, physical. Offense optional.
Compared to 2-18 last year?
Could it be the same issue as before NIL: lots of kids just don't want to come here if they can go elsewhere?
This years group is better than last years no question but that is not over achieving. They are completely different rosters.
I think we have to give it one more year. This is premature. As disappointing as it is, we did improve a lot compared to last year.
The big question going into next year will be can we retain our good players and build something here and add new talent? In spite of NIL and the portal, our only shot is we have some continuity and upper classman leadership to help us win games. If we lose our good players again, something has to change with our coach and AD IMO and how the program is run.
He looks hurt to me. He had more offensive rebounds against Marquette than he’s had in the entire month of February. The burst just isn’t there anymore. Slow to rotate. Leaving his feet on every pump fake.
All the more bizarre that Shaheen doesn’t just ride Najai into the ground, but I’m getting tired of making that point. It is what it is
This Week In The Big East podcast interviewed KJ Lewis last week and he was asked what brought him to Georgetown. He said it was his immediate connection with Cooley. Come on!
The correct and obvious answer would have been "they offered me the most money."
Sha lost Tyrese Samuel over a couple dollars when NIL first hit the scene. Laughed in his face even. I think he's come around to understanding that these guys are commanding big money, but it's his model that's handicapping him. He wants to play 10 guys. Realistically, you need 7-8 guys and hope to avoid the injury bug. See: Kadary, Dre, Dawes (Sha's best year). Sprinkle in a diamond in the rough like Bediako and he was cooking. They all stayed healthy (minus General Soreness) and we would have made the dance had it not been for an obscene amount of bid stealers.
We were rated pre-season worse than ALL thse teams we beat. That is over-achieving.
Shaheen has shown that he will abandon the 10-man rotation when he doesn’t have the horses for it. The NIT team had a short rotation. Even now, Shaheen is not playing the bench nearly as much as before.This Week In The Big East podcast interviewed KJ Lewis last week and he was asked what brought him to Georgetown. He said it was his immediate connection with Cooley. Come on!
The correct and obvious answer would have been "they offered me the most money."
Sha lost Tyrese Samuel over a couple dollars when NIL first hit the scene. Laughed in his face even. I think he's come around to understanding that these guys are commanding big money, but it's his model that's handicapping him. He wants to play 10 guys. Realistically, you need 7-8 guys and hope to avoid the injury bug. See: Kadary, Dre, Dawes (Sha's best year). Sprinkle in a diamond in the rough like Bediako and he was cooking. They all stayed healthy (minus General Soreness) and we would have made the dance had it not been for an obscene amount of bid stealers.
My hope for next year is that he prioritizes retaining the 3 clear keepers and then adjusts his strategy based on the amount he has left over.
I think we take these preseason polls as gospel more often than not. Just because the coaches thought something doesnt mean its true. So yes, we are over achieving based on what the coaches thought in september, we are under achieving based on what the pollsters thought when we were ranked as a top 25 team ..
If he is going with the same game plan next year it will be his last. Recruit small players who will execute his defense plans and can't shoot long range will be his demise. You can't win much with a small team that can't make 3 pointers. Can't make free throws and have trouble rebounding.
People here harp on defense but is it really that great? If the goal is to force least amount of points for the opponent and not give them perimeter looks it certainly does not add up
then again....maybe that is why/how we got him?
If he was a ready-made player of his size and skills....would probably have been out of our price range. Reminds me of when/how we got Myles Powell
This isn’t a fair or accurate take.
In conference play we lead the BE in points allowed per game. 67.6
we also surrender the 6th most 3 point attempts per game while holding our opponents to the second lowest FG % on those attempts 32.1%
the issue is we only score 67.4 ppg.
The margin for error is unfortunately razor thin. Basically in line with a team that is 8-8 in league play.
Great point. The OR drop off is striking.
And Lord knows they’re available with this team!
It’s good enough to win and be an NCAA Tournament team for sure. It is a very good defense. Now, it’s more based on pressure and gambling and disruption – why we have issues with over-help, grabbing, and leaving our feet – but it’s a very good unit.
You simply cannot pair it with an offense that is so inept. We are WAY too reliant on that defense getting us extra possessions. I mean we’re 295th in 3PT% (363rd in 3PA:FGA), 292nd in 2PT% and also 204th in FT%. It’s awful. That isn’t good enough to be an NIT team, let alone the NCAAT.
And thus our misery. So close, yet so far.
Now imagine if he didn't spread his budget around with the wish that he can find 10 Big East basketball players and instead focused on only 7-8 guys? Enough with the SPU MAAC model. We've all said it. It will not work at this level. So instead of shortening his rotation to 7-8 capable players, he has guys like Parker (not a pg) and Dar (not a PF) coming off the bench.
This is exactly what I said.
So you believe our budget should dictate our place in the standings? We're neither rich nor poor. Either we have the coach who can navigate this or we don't. If he can't do it, find somebody who can.
Budget budget budget. You apologists will go to any length to excuse his deficiencies in recruiting, his offensive scheme, and his overall philosophy. Seriously calling the 3 fools gold in 2026 is a ridiculous claim. Being so tied to only one style of play and thinking about how things “should” work is foolish. This isn’t the early 2000s when he played. New era, needs new ideas
his style isn’t working money or no money. Period. Worse than a bad coach is a good coach that is so stubborn and wants to be so right that he refuses to adapt.
Well I don't believe you can ignore it!
Look, we are all a little disappointed after the fast start to the season...but maybe we all drank a little too much of the Kool Aid, and were blinded by the "blue tinted glasses"...and lets face it, we were a starving fan base after last season's debacle.
I think this team is that it is...a very flawed team that really has no 3 point shooters, and no one to play the 4 spot; they play a good "helter skelter" game, and when they can rattle the opponent, they will get some easy points off turnovers, which will sometimes be enough to offset their offensive ineptitude.
But, for the most part, this is a team playing about where they should be in that 4 - 8 range, and right now at 5.
Bottom line: we need more in the budget; there is no way to deny that scorers/shooters come at a premium price.
We also have to re-think the allocation of our budget...put the high majority of it into the top 7 ...tops 8, players...after that fill the roster with cheap frosh or cheap transfers....and hope we dont get hit with injuries. We just simply cannot afford a quality 10 man roster.
You are repeating exactly what I said. It's all on Sha. We are in agreement.
No one said it’s a standard of excellence. It’s something that needs to be considered when deciding whether to get rid of Shaheen (which is the premise of this thread).
We are trying to figure what the best long term solution is. Maybe it’s paying a buyout and starting over with a really good MAAC coach (Gallo) or an up and coming AE coach (Grant) or a respected HM assistant (Murray). Or maybe it’s sticking with the guy who has us in the cusp of where we want to be, and might just turn the corner with a few improvements to his team building and offense.
Sha needs to evolve and grow, no question about it. Like any coach he needs to improve on certain areas to reach his full potential. I think it's fair to say that if he doesn't improve his team's offensive ability then the program will hit a ceiling of being a borderline NCAA contender with the occasional tournament appearance, which will be a disappointment. We all agree that he needs to be better as the public face of the program, especially with the media. But I agree with the last sentence wholeheartedly. None of those guys are a sure thing at the Big East level, and Sha is over .500 at SHU despite having a 7 win season last year and limited resources. I'd personally rather bet on the guy who has that track record and hope that he evolves than take a chance on an unknown.