Heck, I'd even take a true PG at this point to help get him the ball in good spots, but clearly Jans does not believe in the philosophy of having a ball handler on your team
Can we all agree Hubbard is not a “great”’player?
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Only brought it up because I'm not even sure most would consider Q a "great" player and I think he was better. I guess it all depends on how good you have to be to be considered "great".
You can’t blame Hubbard for his hight but you can absolutely criticize his game…he’s fit to be a PG and nothing else. The fact that he refused to learn the position or better his game to allow for cohesion, is on him.
In no where ever in any successful team on any continent has a SG been 5’9. It doesn’t happen.
It’s equivalent to having a left handed catcher or 2nd baseman or trying to turn two with a left handed 3rd baseman.
it’s equivalent to having a 6’7 running back or a 6’0 tackle.
We are extremely mismanaged…then add a transfer from Dwitt State and UAG Gravel State and what do we have…..we have dogshiit.
We are in the SEC. This ain’t the 17ing Bigtop tournament at Luther’s Church. Go get some 17ing players and dudes off of the streets that throw down.
All of the millions of kids out there and we can’t find 5….its bullshiit. Then the fact that we havnt had an NBA player since Damp???? Bizzaro world. And we are in a hotbed of street ballers!? Bizzaro world.
Look at the teams winning and the rosters they have…start there. Not 1 17ing person under 6’3.
We have 3 of them and they are our best scorers. It makes absolutely no sense. Very frustrating but as a MSU fan what exactly can I expect?
We are a breeding ground of incompetence
In no where ever in any successful team on any continent has a SG been 5’9. It doesn’t happen.
It’s equivalent to having a left handed catcher or 2nd baseman or trying to turn two with a left handed 3rd baseman.
it’s equivalent to having a 6’7 running back or a 6’0 tackle.
We are extremely mismanaged…then add a transfer from Dwitt State and UAG Gravel State and what do we have…..we have dogshiit.
We are in the SEC. This ain’t the 17ing Bigtop tournament at Luther’s Church. Go get some 17ing players and dudes off of the streets that throw down.
All of the millions of kids out there and we can’t find 5….its bullshiit. Then the fact that we havnt had an NBA player since Damp???? Bizzaro world. And we are in a hotbed of street ballers!? Bizzaro world.
Look at the teams winning and the rosters they have…start there. Not 1 17ing person under 6’3.
We have 3 of them and they are our best scorers. It makes absolutely no sense. Very frustrating but as a MSU fan what exactly can I expect?
We are a breeding ground of incompetence
I think he meant "the RIGHT kind of help"... or at least, that's how I see it. Epps is basically the same kind of player - and in his perfect role plays the same position as Hub. I do think Jans tried to get a true PG with Clary last year, but obviously that didn't work out.
I like Epps a lot, but a true PG would have helped Hubbard more. Oh, and a center. And some defensive role players.
Yeah and that’s not good. You’ve got to have others contribute more than that.
Tolu Smith plays for the Pistons. I get your point but technically we've had multiple NBA players since Damp, they just haven't had long term staying power like Damp, that's for sure.
On a decent team, he would be open.
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I've never thought of him as more than a really good player, but that has more to do with the offense Jans is running than Hubb himself. He's very streaky but when he's on he's great. The problem is that he's undersized and has to work his arse off to get off a shot. And he's not very good on the defensive end. So you're sacrificing size and defense in hopes that he can catch a heater and carry your offense. When he really gets d'ed up, he forces shots and that's a problem.
I think he could be great if we were more imaginative on offense. We should be running offensive sets where he's off the ball and running through screens to get open shots. Instead we let him create off the dribble and it's hard to do that consistently at his size in this league. So I think he's being misused and I don't think that's fair to him.
Yes, and every team in the SEC knows as Hubbard goes, so goes State. He's constantly double teamed but we can't find the open man for some reason. Other teams pass the ball around the perimeter making our players run around chasing the ball while we drive the ball down and run a slow weave. Then the players without the ball stand in one spot flat footed while the ball handler either shoots a 3 or drives into 3 defenders under the goal.
Both the men's and women's teams at State love throwing sleepy passes that result in turnovers sometimes. I've never understood how a coach would allow that. These are professional athletes now so we should be demanding more from them.
One reason they can double team him and we can't find the open man is because Sean Jones is also out there, and he cannot shoot at all. Teams don't even have to guard him on the perimeter because they know he isn't going to make any open shots. It's like we're playing 4 on 5 in half-court offense.
I can agree that he’s surrounded by a bunch of below average SEC players. It kinda matters less how good your best player is when he has almost nobody that can help him.
Q is our #3 all time leading scorer behind Jeff Malone and Bailey Howell, so I'd say that's a safe take.
Yep, Sean "turn over" Jones. A good defensive player with brick hands on offense. I had high hopes for him but he just has fumblitis on offense. I hold my breath everytime he gets the ball on offense unless he gets a snowbird. He loves the dunk.
Cool let’s sht on our best player across all sports ( nod to Ace )
I say it will all the time, but we legit have the dumbest and worst fans.
He is better than most (anyone to ever wear a maroon and white jersey or current playing in college basketball).
At shooting and scoring when he is hot, yes, the best, like the first half last night.
Still incomplete in many other key areas, but what he does well, when he does it, he is the best at that.
There are many traits that make a complete basketball player and leader of a team of young men.
Who’s better? Jeff Malone and Bailey Howell? Obviously none of us witnessed Howell play.
Bailey Howell is our best player of all time. He was a completely dominant college player.
Then he was a scoring and rebounding machine on an NBA team that needed that.
Then he was the perfect 2nd or 3rd option on some of the greatest ever NBA teams.
There's a reason he's in the Naismith HOF.
Can we all agree Ace Reece isn’t a great player? He doesn’t get on base half the time and the other night made a boneheaded mistake trying for a triple****
And his defense is not that great. It'll make him a Top 10 pick in the draft rather than the 1st pick.
Not good ...
Nah. I think people saying he's not great are putting the bar too high to be considered great, but we've had several better. The best argument for Hubbard being great is that he's put up great numbers despite never being on a team that really had the complementary pieces to really fit his game. The best argument against Hubbard being great is that great players don't need complementary pieces. They have a well rounded game that can work with any decent supporting staff. Hubbard is a great scorer and pretty good facilitator (maybe not as a ball handler, but he's had plenty of assists to be surrounded by poor shooters for most of his career) and a not so great defender. But he could be the second leading scorer on a championship caliber team if you pair him with a tall point guard and at least one other deep threat so he doesn't just get double teamed all the time (maybe he could be the leading scorer depending on how teams decide to pick their poison). You have to be really good to be able to say that.
Translation...Hubbard is great, and the rest of the team is mediocre. It's really not that difficult to admit.
AnethesiaDawg, we can all agree that you shouldn't hit your own product and then post on here.
Agreed, except I think “mediocre” is the overstatement of the century for the rest of the team.
You have Hubbard, a good role player in Jones, and Epps who is currently occupying the Mr. Inconsistency role that Kugel had last year….occasionally good but not nearly often enough.
The really frustrating thing is that we’d be a legit 5-7 seed with Nwoko and Murphy still here. With those two and Clary as a true PG (which we haven’t had at all since Zimmerman), we’d be a possible Final 4 contender. Instead, we lost all 3 of them and never really even had Clary….and here we are struggling mightily in the front court and at PG.
Here's the question no one has answered, why did we let Nwoko & Murphy walk?
Hubbard an otherworldly shooting night which was something to behold, but the second half showed that his "greatness" can be mitigated. If we had those two front court players, we are a completely different team.
heck I remember folks dissing Q. Don't know why we are so hard on our best players. Tulu same thing. give me a Hub, Q and Tulu and I'll be happy.
I'm old I saw Bailey play pro ball.. he by far is the GOAT
We have had a ton of players I would take over him. He goes off on offense every now and then, but he still can't defend. You can't call a player great because he scores a LOT every now and then.
I bet that was awesome. I hate most of us didn’t see him. My first recallable memories are from the late 70s.
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It's always good when you pop into threads saying the opposite of what I believe.
Makes it clear that I'm thinking correctly.
It's always good when you pop into threads saying the opposite of what I believe.
Makes it clear that I'm thinking correctly.
Scoring's pretty important. They keep up with it pretty diligently and the team who does it the most gets to say they won.