This. There is NO substitution pattern that would work. Thats the only reason I defend Pope at all. People can pretend losing 3 kids shouldn't hurt us, but its not just the kids we lost, its the fact that we gave to play 3-4 kids who just arent very good
This Explains Why Pope's Substitutions Were Bad Tonight
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Our problem is the talent level it's two levels too low
I'm really struggling to understand it, especially since the substitution strategy not only hurts the teams performance but hurts recruiting. Playing the best players helps you win, and it helps you recruit the best players, which also helps you win.
LMAO ! Peevey should NEVER be considered as our AD . He was just a conduit between Mitch and Cal . They’re wanting him fired at DePaul.
And I don’t want him anywhere NEAR our football program.
Get real!
I increasingly fail to see why Noah should even be part of the substitution rotation. Supposedly he’s out there for his shooting, but he can never find open looks, and he can’t create his own shot.
If he can’t get shots off, then what is he giving us? There ain’t much reason to play a guy who can’t do the one thing he’s supposed to be good at.
If he can’t get shots off, then what is he giving us? There ain’t much reason to play a guy who can’t do the one thing he’s supposed to be good at.
"Hey Mark! Look at this beautiful forest!"
"All I see are trees man"
"Yeah, that explains alot"
Nah, we beat a good Arky team at Arky.
Our problem maybe be talent, but its on the sideline.
I believe the pattern with UK coaches is: Great, Good, Drunk. There are two possibilities here:
1) Cal was Great (until he wasn't)
2) Pope will be just Good
3) We have a Drunk on the horizon
or
1) Cal was Great
2) then Cal became just Good
3) Pope is Drunk on Diet Coke
4) we hire the next Great
Hoping for the latter
Can’t have Otega at 38. You play the best players till they ask for a breather
Just the way his face looks in the thumbnail pisses me off.
Sadly it’s a different AD calling the shots than when we had our first drunk then great. Hopefully the cycle continues tho.
The sub pattern totally killed the game. At this point those 3 should play 40 a game.
I don’t want anyone associated with Kentucky under Mitch Barnhart ever. Go get a real AD from a real school athletic department.
This^ We lost the game down the stretch because he left Aberdean on the bench way to long and went with Johnson.
We need his potential offense but he does everything else so badly it may be a net negative.
When he subbed Johnson for Oweh in the first half I’m pretty sure Oweh looked at pope and said wtf you doing
Yikes! I know we started to win games but the way we won some of those comebacks games had red flags all over it. That is not sustainable and it’s only going to get worse.
Garrison should never see the floor. I would go small before I put him in the game.
Soon as Jasper comes in hes gunning and usually missing. Dykes said Jasper averaged a shot every 70 seconds of play or something crazy.
He kills any offensive flow and cant guard.
lol Peevy? Might as well let Mitch keep his job. Peevy has been horrible at DePaul. Keep him away from UK.
I have always said Oweh doesn't have a great handle. He just can't seem to dribble very well. Now can he penetrate and get to the rim, yes. But definitely needs to work on his dribbling and finishing at the rim.
Careful, you’ll be called out for being a terrible fan. Some of us that are getting older realize you only have so many basketball seasons in your life and it’s a shame we have to settle for home loses to Georgia and Mike White.
Pope is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation with this team.
Oweh can play great but every other game at some point he is throwing his arms up in exasperation or rolling his eyes in frustration, Garrison gets mad and wants to fight if his shoes come untied, Johnson comes into the game and thinks he is trying out for an And1 mixtape.
I'll give credit to Aberdeen and M.D., they have at least calmed down and are playing the game.
Chandler is the only guy who is emotionally into the game from start to finish but he isn't a carry the team kinda guy
So Pope could be commended for getting on a win streak with this collection, but at the same time Pope is responsible for putting together this collection, and like last night, its going to keep biting him in the ***.
I think Pope should get another year, but he's moved into come to Jesus territory about how he runs this program. From recruiting to in game coaching, there needs to be an overhauld and I strongly believe he needs to bring in new staff, and hire someone - a million dollar a year guy to run the NIL program and evaluate talent.
If he doesn't do that then next year at best isn't going to be better than his first year, which was fine but that can't be the ceiling, or at worst UK continues to have radically inconsistent games where Pope struggles to figure out who showed up to play.
But here is the thing, its not just Pope - if you look around, it isn't to the degree that Pope is dealing with it, but there is no shortage of unmotivated and inconsistent players who cannot seem to play to their potential game after game.
Oweh can play great but every other game at some point he is throwing his arms up in exasperation or rolling his eyes in frustration, Garrison gets mad and wants to fight if his shoes come untied, Johnson comes into the game and thinks he is trying out for an And1 mixtape.
I'll give credit to Aberdeen and M.D., they have at least calmed down and are playing the game.
Chandler is the only guy who is emotionally into the game from start to finish but he isn't a carry the team kinda guy
So Pope could be commended for getting on a win streak with this collection, but at the same time Pope is responsible for putting together this collection, and like last night, its going to keep biting him in the ***.
I think Pope should get another year, but he's moved into come to Jesus territory about how he runs this program. From recruiting to in game coaching, there needs to be an overhauld and I strongly believe he needs to bring in new staff, and hire someone - a million dollar a year guy to run the NIL program and evaluate talent.
If he doesn't do that then next year at best isn't going to be better than his first year, which was fine but that can't be the ceiling, or at worst UK continues to have radically inconsistent games where Pope struggles to figure out who showed up to play.
But here is the thing, its not just Pope - if you look around, it isn't to the degree that Pope is dealing with it, but there is no shortage of unmotivated and inconsistent players who cannot seem to play to their potential game after game.
We were better at almost every position against UGA. And a deeper bench. And we were at home.
The only talent levels low is in the coaching.
We have 3 MD AA’s and the preseason SEC POY. We have a player that was a big piece of last year’s NC team. Another that has a big piece of an FF team last season.
UGA has one guy like that.
I cringe when he gets in the game. His +/- must be as bad as Garrison. But the larger problem is we are now a three man team on the offensive end. And when one of them is out we are a two man team . As has been stated we have no one at the FOUR and limited offense at the FIVE
Off topic but I have often told my friends: "When I sell a stock, you should buy it!" Works about 90% of the time in my experience. And, when I buy a stock, that is often a good indication that it is time to sell.
Bub, it’s my opinion and if you don’t like you can “get real” and feel how you want. It’s a message board and just because I don’t agree with someone doesn’t mean I’m right and they’re wrong. Grow up some and we can have an adult conversation.
Well hold on a second....
1. I agree we had a no show from half the roster...but losing to UGA at home ain't about Lowe/Kam/Quantenance....Sure they'd help...especially Kam playing and taking all the minutes from Jelly/Noah.
2. But there is no excuse for why Jasper is solid for a game and then no show for the next few...he's 3/4 thru his first year...UGA played an open floor defense...he had eons of room to drive it and make plays....he can guard their athletic guards...he was pretty awful again.
3. Why Pope subbed out the starters in first half up nine...and then proceeded to crap the bed and down at half...pure coaching. You have to leave 2 of 3 between Aberdeen, Oweh and Chandler on floor at all times.
4. Why Garrison plays as much as he does is nonsense. Even when Moreno needs a blow...I get it. But play small with Diaboute at the 5.....you get about the same rim protection, better rebounder, better on floor defense, way better energy, etc.... BUt Pope demands to play a C at all times to his own demise.
I agree there are talent issues and the injury issues are what they are....but this season is mostly on Pope being a middling bball coach is the main issue to me.
I am not giving Pope a pass for last night. That was a brutal loss that shouldn't happen. But if you are not a UK fan or a UGA fan and watched that game objectively, I bet it looked like Georgia had more talent, especially with Wilkinson back
No...that isn't what I saw at all
Wilkerson/Blue Cain (ugh)/Millender vs. Aberdeen/Oweh and Chandler at the guards/wings....UK has better talent.
Geez...all of those guys are like 6'1/5'11...Blue Cain is 6'5 but has the athleticism of Trent Noah....and yet every switch we couldn't lob over them to our bigs and score? Why are our players giving that much room to Wilkerson/Millender to let him launch good looks from 3pt land? They are tiny guards....press them and funnel them to the lane. But as Pope teams do thru a season....we dont' have any focus on 3pt shooters and when they get rolling...we get behind and then remember to pay attention to the 3pt line.
This coach has no ability to focus his team defensively over a full season.
I noticed you named the only 3 guys on our team that showed up and skipped right over the front lines lol. But you do you
Yeah I don’t usually respond like that unless someone says something RIDICULOUS!
And pull your panties out of your crotch .
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Serious question, why? He has had a lot more success than Billy Clyde or Pope.
I get what you're saying, but there are too many times where he pulls the hot hand and there are way too many times when 3, or more of our best players are on the bench and we see weird combinations of Noah, BG, AJ, JJ and Mo D in the game at the same time. You just can't do that, especially when the other team is playing as hard as UGA was last night.
I keep hoping MP is going to learn his lesson, but he refuses to change. It’s been happening since his BYU days and these holes we keep digging, are happening, because he keeps subbing players in and out. He should be smarter than this.