Oklahoma State V. Virginia Tech

pokepelli

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Wonder if Cody didn’t realize it was a continuation and not an escape. Sasso never turned around until Cody was back in on a shot. Cody was aggressive and got penalized while Sasso was slow to turn around and be prepared and was awarded for his passiveness. Once Cody was back in on what he may have thought was a takedown attempt, then if he didn’t finish it he was going to get dinged. A really messed up scenario there to cost him the match
 
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Anon1751653183

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The bottom line for this match was the ref was very inconsistent and allowed the crowd to dictate his decisions. The double stall warning on Cody was both correct by definition but totally unwarranted. Cody spent the first couple of minutes chasing Sasso around the mat, much like 125, and Cody was being the aggressor who should have not been dinged.
Poorly officiated match and a lethargic performance by the team left a bad taste in our mouths.
What is wrong with Robideau? Has he hit the freshman wall or have an injury? He is winning but he doesn’t appear to be the same wrestler since his loss to Taylor.
After the Nebraska match with antrell I feel like robideau has been a different wrestler. Much more calculated or should I say hesitant. He’s still a beast but his normal feel for what the opponent is trying to do seems off.
 

Okie_Pat

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I knew 125 would be a slow, low scoring match and Spratley's path to victory would have to be with a hard ride on Ventresca because he is very hard to score on. As mentioned several times, Spratley was definitely the aggressor in this match holding center and taking several more shot attempts. I kept saying during the match that when Spratley had Ventresca cornered off at the edge he needed to keep pushing him out of bounds to show absolute stalling on Ventresca, but he would let him circle back in. He probably would of been awarded a stalling point much earlier if this happened. Frustrating match and a hard way to lose, but I only think this helps Spratley come March.

Jax to me didn't look quite himself, he was wearing a knee brace which was new so maybe he was dealing with some minor injury/tweak. Seidel kept attacking the leg with the brace on it too. I feel like Jax lacked a lot of strength against Seidel and I cant remember the last time I saw Jax give up 2 TD's that quickly. He didn't wrestle his best but was scrappy and smart enough to grind out the win. I think Jax got a little lucky in the first and third periods of not giving up any back points because he was very very close to being in danger. This match could of easily gone the other way. Big moment for Jax and hopefully a turning point in his season.
 

chasepollard

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When the other guys stall you need a higher attack rate. I didnt see that. Not near enough level changes to real committed shots. Idk if we have more guys secretly banged up or if the staff worked the dog sh/t out of them this last week. Our guys looked really really sluggish. We mightve pushed a lot of guys to the edge but we didnt really push the pace. Love my Cowboys but winning a match w/o an offensive td or w/ a last second counter against much lower ranked guys isnt the style that gets us top 3 in March.
Nah, there needs to be some reform to thwart defense.

There weren’t going to be tons of level changes to create anything because these guys were ankles back, fingers interlocked and only motioning to avoid TDs.

For example, Dee, that young man stuck his leg out that a good HS kid could’ve been deep…no attempt. I’d bet he Wrestled a minute standing straight up with his leg stuck out.

It was obvious that they game planned to steal wins in OT. That needs to stop or Wrestling will start to seriously retreat again.

But, at the same time, gotta figure out a way to score and I’d bet the plane ride home was fairly quiet?
 

glorycowboy

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When does the hell week or whatever PSU fans call the week where our wrestlers would look sluggish after being put through a lot of training/activities?
 

Travis25

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When does the hell week or whatever PSU fans call the week where our wrestlers would look sluggish after being put through a lot of training/activities?

It feels like this might have been the hell week dual. If you look at last year, the most analogous dual was Little Rock. It was the second to last dual, and it was on the road. We also looked sluggish there, with the exception of Luke Surber, who scored a mild upset.

Most others wrestled somewhere between fair and bad. Hamiti, Plott, Tagen, and Amine only scored regular decisions against much lower ranked guys. Witcraft got majored by Nasir, and Fish got pinned.
 

newguy123

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Wonder if Cody didn’t realize it was a continuation and not an escape. Sasso never turned around until Cody was back in on a shot. Cody was aggressive and got penalized while Sasso was slow to turn around and be prepared and was awarded for his passiveness. Once Cody was back in on what he may have thought was a takedown attempt, then if he didn’t finish it he was going to get dinged. A really messed up scenario there to cost him the match
Sure looked like an escape to me. Opponent separated contact, stepped away, turned around, and then Cody shot. “Chance to defend yourself” shouldn’t include a leisurely turn around.
 

chasepollard

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Watched it again.

Troy was the more aggressive and Wrestled better. The ref should’ve been all over Ventresca and Troy should’ve made sure of it by shooting him off the mat.

Jax, well, it was a fun match! Gave the winningest HS Wrestler in Pennsylvania history his last HS defeat and his first college defeat. Pretty cool stat.

Vega performed the best IMO. Crook stayed away from danger and Vega still got bonus.

Hickman, not a bad effort.

Lando literally spent the entire neutral time on his feet in a position/hand fight. I won’t say he tried like normal to score, but he was game planned to get taken down late.

Dee, I thought Wrestled pretty tough. He literally stuck his leg out for a freebie for over 13 seconds (I timed it.) The ref should’ve been all over him for stalling.

Facundo was actually a much better effort by VT the 2nd time around. The young man fired away on Facundo. The winning TD was a thing of beauty!

Dopps, honestly, just needs to let it fly. He’s not incapable, he’s nervous.

Cody, well he got screwed. #1 it was a TD in the 1st. #2, if they call stalling because of being below the knee, they have to stop the action. If officiated correctly, Sasso gets a penalty point and goes back under. They have two points instead. #3 it was a TD at the end of regulation. I will say however, Sasso brought it in neutral. I didn’t see a ton of stall in his plan.

Duece is a vet. I was impressed with Mullens attacks and his athleticism. Good win IMO.
 

Howie_Fartz

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Nah, there needs to be some reform to thwart defense.

There weren’t going to be tons of level changes to create anything because these guys were ankles back, fingers interlocked and only motioning to avoid TDs.

For example, Dee, that young man stuck his leg out that a good HS kid could’ve been deep…no attempt. I’d bet he Wrestled a minute standing straight up with his leg stuck out.

It was obvious that they game planned to steal wins in OT. That needs to stop or Wrestling will start to seriously retreat again.

But, at the same time, gotta figure out a way to score and I’d bet the plane ride home was fairly quiet?
That last line was my point my man lol.
 
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No offense, but this is a poor take IMO. Not totally wrong though.

The Jax match was electric as hell against a guy that has bonuses 100% of his opponents. Was it a great showing from Jax? He made some mistakes, but that just showed his talent. He Wrestled his worst match yet and still beat a guy that’s been spanking everyone.

On the rest, VaTech is Wrestling to keep it close. We are at least trying to score for the most part, they aren’t.
Hence, I rated his performance based on his talent as a c- which you seem to agree with. We can't win Nationals as a team. Jax appears to me to be struggling a bit and 133 is loaded. Now the light bulb could come on this week and he wins nationals but I would hate to see him place 4th with a half year in our room after struggling in a high school tournament. That is just my opinion and sure could be wrong. He did pull out the match against a tough opponent but rated 6th at 133.
 
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chasepollard

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That last line was my point my man lol.
I know that! Yesterday it seemed like VT was on skates the entire dual so you’re post enticed me to go rewatch it.

They were serial stalling as a team, but a few went after it. I still think we are in need of some rule tweaking.
 
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chasepollard

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Hence, I rated his performance based on his talent as a c- which you seem to agree with. We can't win Nationals as a team. Jax appears to me to be struggling a bit and 133 is loaded. Now the light bulb could come on this week and he wins nationals but I would hate to see him place 4th with a half year in our room after struggling in a high school tournament. That is just my opinion and sure could be wrong. He did pull out the match against a tough opponent but rated 6th at 133.
I actually enjoyed the performance. He had crosshairs on his back and had a perfect gameplan against him. He still gamed and won.

BTW, Siedel is the winningest HS Wrestler in Pennsylvania history (rare air) and Jax gave him his last loss in his final HS match and his first college defeat. Jax is literally the vision quest of a freaking stud!

I also don’t think you shirt him. The lineup gets much more murky next season and Jax doesn’t seem like the odd man out from 49 down. With the unknowns of next season, I think you do everything you can to win, even if 98% of the people don’t think we can.
 
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Sure looked like an escape to me. Opponent separated contact, stepped away, turned around, and then Cody shot. “Chance to defend yourself” shouldn’t include a leisurely turn around.
Cody needs to work on shooting more but especially work on finishing. I want Cody to be great, but he needs to finish takedown attempts and take more attempts. I saw an interview of Taylor before the match, and someone( Stillwater wrestling writer) thought Landon learned from that loss. I thought the exact opposite that Landon is winning but he has not been as active as he was before the loss.
 

Cowboy1989

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Hence, I rated his performance based on his talent as a c- which you seem to agree with. We can't win Nationals as a team. Jax appears to me to be struggling a bit and 133 is loaded. Now the light bulb could come on this week and he wins nationals but I would hate to see him place 4th with a half year in our room after struggling in a high school tournament. That is just my opinion and sure could be wrong. He did pull out the match against a tough opponent but rated 6th at 133.
Seidel only rated 6th because he has not wrestled anyone above him. He's bonused everyone else.
 

newguy123

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I know that! Yesterday it seemed like VT was on skates the entire dual so you’re post enticed me to go rewatch it.

They were serial stalling as a team, but a few went after it. I still think we are in need of some rule tweaking.
Stall rules should be called consistently. It doesn’t matter what you change if this doesn’t happen. Unless the rules change specifically to enforce some kind of consistency… but thats more of a framework and then we’re getting into pedantic territory.
 

chasepollard

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Stall rules should be called consistently. It doesn’t matter what you change if this doesn’t happen. Unless the rules change specifically to enforce some kind of consistency… but thats more of a framework and then we’re getting into pedantic territory.
There’s a lobby going now!
 

Pokes1988

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I actually enjoyed the performance. He had crosshairs on his back and had a perfect gameplan against him. He still gamed and won.

BTW, Siedel is the winningest HS Wrestler in Pennsylvania history (rare air) and Jax gave him his last loss in his final HS match and his first college defeat. Jax is literally the vision quest of a freaking stud!

I also don’t think you shirt him. The lineup gets much more murky next season and Jax doesn’t seem like the odd man out from 49 down. With the unknowns of next season, I think you do everything you can to win, even if 98% of the people don’t think we can.
100% zero reason he redshirts, he can take an olympic in 2028 and save his year there but no reason to not go for it this year with the other Frosh.
 
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100% zero reason he redshirts, he can take an olympic in 2028 and save his year there but no reason to not go for it this year with the other Frosh.
I can think of a reason because we will not win this year. 2028 we could win with great development and with Messinbrink and Van Ness gone. Maybe we don't win because our best wrestler is not on the team. I think 2028 will be our best chance to win. However, time wise that is way out there and long term projections rarely are right. Maybe Jax wrestling this year works out fantastic but it may not. Those that think this is absolutely the right move I question your ability to see the big picture and look down the road. Plus, our losses about 4 years down the road are going to be great probably our 4 best wrestlers. I will surrender on this now.
 
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I can think of a reason because we will not win this year. 2028 we could win with great development and with Messinbrink and Van Ness gone. Maybe we don't win because our best wrestler is not on the team. I think 2028 will be our best chance to win. However, time wise that is way out there and long term projections rarely are right. Maybe Jax wrestling this year works out fantastic but it may not. Those that think this is absolutely the right move I question your ability to see the big picture and look down the road. Plus, our losses about 4 years down the road are going to be great probably our 4 best wrestlers. I will surrender on this now.
I question your ability not to see the world in the most negative, pessimistic way possible, then present an opinion.

Newsflash: DAVID TAYLOR WILL SIGN MORE NATIONAL CHAMPION STUD WRESTLERS BETWEEN NOW AND 2028. Kvetching that so and so won't be here after such and such year ignores the reality that Jax must eventually be replaced. Kind of like every other OSU great has been replaced over the decades.
 

Cowboy1989

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I can think of a reason because we will not win this year. 2028 we could win with great development and with Messinbrink and Van Ness gone. Maybe we don't win because our best wrestler is not on the team. I think 2028 will be our best chance to win. However, time wise that is way out there and long term projections rarely are right. Maybe Jax wrestling this year works out fantastic but it may not. Those that think this is absolutely the right move I question your ability to see the big picture and look down the road. Plus, our losses about 4 years down the road are going to be great probably our 4 best wrestlers. I will surrender on this now.
You might be right if it were 15 years ago. Things have changed. Jax will wrestle this year and continue to create massive amounts of hype for the program and keep David Taylor's giant marketing campaign for the program rolling. Recruiting is literally the life blood of the program and to recruit over Penn State David Taylor is doing exactly what he needs to do.
 

TheJimReaper

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I question your ability not to see the world in the most negative, pessimistic way possible, then present an opinion.

Newsflash: DAVID TAYLOR WILL SIGN MORE NATIONAL CHAMPION STUD WRESTLERS BETWEEN NOW AND 2028. Kvetching that so and so won't be here after such and such year ignores the reality that Jax must eventually be replaced. Kind of like every other OSU great has been replaced over the decades.
Also Jax will probably take an Olympic redshirt anyway.
 
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chasepollard

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I can think of a reason because we will not win this year. 2028 we could win with great development and with Messinbrink and Van Ness gone. Maybe we don't win because our best wrestler is not on the team. I think 2028 will be our best chance to win. However, time wise that is way out there and long term projections rarely are right. Maybe Jax wrestling this year works out fantastic but it may not. Those that think this is absolutely the right move I question your ability to see the big picture and look down the road. Plus, our losses about 4 years down the road are going to be great probably our 4 best wrestlers. I will surrender on this now.
Yup, it’s an incredible long shot. So let’s just pack it all up in October. RS everyone and let the guys that work hard Wrestle for a sold out 100s section GIA.

Hell, let’s not send anybody to Cleveland. They might get hurt and ruin our chances in 2028.

Just in case you aren’t aware, things have changed. Money, momentum and entertainment are all tied together. If a guy is the best option, he needs to be Wrestling.

In today’s climate, you don’t sandbag. Look no further than Brayden Thompson and Jersey Robb.
 

newguy123

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I question your ability not to see the world in the most negative, pessimistic way possible, then present an opinion.

Newsflash: DAVID TAYLOR WILL SIGN MORE NATIONAL CHAMPION STUD WRESTLERS BETWEEN NOW AND 2028. Kvetching that so and so won't be here after such and such year ignores the reality that Jax must eventually be replaced. Kind of like every other OSU great has been replaced over the decades.
Come here and wrestle for a title immediately. That's appealing to these studs. They've been dominating kids for years and are ready for a challenge.
 

SlickWillie18

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I am personally a fan of the “F- it, we ball” approach to eligibility. No reason to think recruiting will slow down so long as there’s continued success. The kid(s) who will likely eventually take Jax, Robideau, and Dee’s spots are probably just now in their freshman year of high school.
 

chasepollard

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I am personally a fan of the “F- it, we ball” approach to eligibility. No reason to think recruiting will slow down so long as there’s continued success. The kid(s) who will likely eventually take Jax, Robideau, and Dee’s spots are probably just now in their freshman year of high school.
That’s sorta the other thing. It’s also culture building.

If you’d rather Wrestle or not Wrestle for the team, go pursue another opportunity.

There has been considerable effort and resources put into this deal. Selfish pride plays no part.

So yeah, send it and let’s see what happens!