I don't care what you say...Florida is as good as anyone when they are at home and playing like they have been the last month
Don't care what people say
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It's not nonsense since the entire framing of the team is centered around multiple players who are not playing. When you construct a roster in the off season you're fitting players together. So the team we have now, was never supposed to fit like this.
I bet you've never once been competitive at anything in your life. Constantly sucking the other teams/other peoples ****. No they are trash. Grow some balls. 9/10 Kentucky teams would wipe the floor with this Florida team. Why do we have UK fans saying other SEC teams are so good? lmaooo Yea we are definitely in for rough times with fans like you glazing other mediocre teams and lowering the standard.Here you go. Do a little reading and them get back to me.
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A backcourt of Flandd, Lee, Klavzar is as BAD as anyone. Totally mediocre team. "OMG tHeY'rE sO gOod, WhAt WiLl wE dOoOo, We'Ll gEt BeAt By 30" type energy.
Who did he recruit that's not " good" ?
Just because Oweh missed layups today doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to make them.
Mark like any coach deserves some criticism from time to time .
My question is are Pope's struggles unprecedented?
Have his predecessors not had recruiting issues, players underperforming, game management issues?
One thing that's unprecedented is taking over a team with zero returning players.
I think he did pretty good with that one.
Not really. A whistle that is fair and not at Florida yesterday and I think UK would have beat them. I’m not going down the conspiracy tunnel but their bigs got away with a lot stuff down low.
Worst take? Give me a break. If you cant hit layups (a day when they missed 15) you are going to lose. Blame whomever you want, I give zero fahitas. I just try to be objective about what I see happen in the game. There are a LOT of crazy people in this board that dont even know what that word means.
Whether it was the intention or not, the team as-is, DOES FIT WELL TOGETHER. We actually improved in the metrics because we almost took out the top team in the SEC at their court. When guys come ready to play, and boneheaded decisions are at a minimum, this a very dangerous UK team. The country knows it.
Truth. We are missing 3 really good players, but they didn’t start all year. It just makes the a$$ whoopings look better to say we were missing 3 starters, which we weren’t. And that’s the intent of the apologist around here.
It would be nice to play a whole 40 minutes.
If he doesn’t start recruiting he won’t be here a long time. He is doing a solid job this year but not contending for real with double digit losses and no recruits won’t last.I feel bad for the jacka$$es that are going to have to watch Pope for a LONG time.
I believe if we get the same home whistle they received in Rupp we will win.
He's already lost 20 times in less than 2 full season. Seems like they have a lot of opportunities!
He is not doing a solid job. We've been humiliated like 3 or 4 times this year and most of our wins are against bad teams.
Well a few problems with your outlook. 1) JQ was brought in knowing he was injured and not available immediately and likely get half of a season from him at best. As it turns out we got 66 minutes. 2). Lowe was the only PG added to the the team. No backup plan for injury or foul trouble. Zero excuse for only having 1 true PG on your roster. 3) the 3 missing players all played in 2 SEC games and our record was 0-2. So what evidence can you present that says our record of 8-4 in SEC play would be better had we still had the 3 that were 0-2?
I don’t think Florida is garbage. They’re clearly a contender and very good team. They’ve been blowing teams out last couple weeks. I think this UK team is better than a lot of people think.
We didn’t play well at all really. Florida got the advantage of the refs, by a WIDE margin. Just the Moreno foul situation, in and of itself, is very telling. The one 7 footer we have available was saddled with foul trouble all game long. Not to mention, Florida made TEN 3s, well out of the norm for them. Florida was over the back on rebounds ALL game long and not one single whistle. I’m sick and tired of the BS SEC officiating. Something needs to be done.
We didn’t play well at all really. Florida got the advantage of the refs, by a WIDE margin. Just the Moreno foul situation, in and of itself, is very telling. The one 7 footer we have available was saddled with foul trouble all game long. Not to mention, Florida made TEN 3s, well out of the norm for them. Florida was over the back on rebounds ALL game long and not one single whistle. I’m sick and tired of the BS SEC officiating. Something needs to be done.
JQ - highest ceiling of any other player on the team and it’s not close. Never part of the roster, yet played at least 4 games. Explain how that works.
Lowe - the ONLY natural PG on the roster. The only player that can get to the rim at will on the roster.
Kam - Top two shooter on roster. Top two wing defender on the roster. Second highest ceiling player on roster. Was just starting to get comfortable in his role.
No. JQ wasn’t even that good when he played. Some of those games unplayable. I said the same thing you are now about JQ when the year started but go back and watch. Didn’t happen. You can say it, but it doesn’t make it true. He appeared in a few games, never fully part of the rotation at any point. He was recruited hurt, and ended hurt. How is this any kind of excuse? It’s not.
Lowe is a shoot heavy guy who doesn’t make shots. Shot in the 20’s. Many many guys including the field of 68 (this you continue to evade) believe the team is better without him and ALSO believe Mark shouldn’t have recruited him.
Kam was starting to become a better basketball player. To what degree? Don’t know. Half the year he was nearly unplayable and had horrendous defense.
I don’t understand why you keep arguing this? It’s not a good hill to die on. How can you debate any of this? That’s objective, you’re trying to find excuses that don’t really add up Cow. This time next season you’ll be saying you were wrong and we need a new coach.
What’s the excuse about Mark being the worst recruiter we’ve ever had? He’s under Tubby and Gillispie levels. How do you square that? Mark has struck out on most of his top portal targets and ALL of his national 5 star targets. He’s like 0-27 or something close. It’s insane.
I like Mark and another reason I want this to end quickly? He’s going to kill his legacy here is this continues. That’s my biggest fear. But look back, Sam type of coach he was all those years at BYU. I get it, you like Mark he speaks to us Kentucky guys and we want it. But we wouldn’t have ever given Calipari this kind of rope. Be objective, wind and losses, scoreboard. Don’t worry about the outside stuff, scoreboard. We’re a blueblood. We’re in droughts. Scoreboard. Wins losses. Final fours.
Mark is a pretty decent coach, he’s just not Uk material man. He’s not elite. We can’t lose our standing and keep him around because he played here and talks to us better than Calipari. And that’s exactly what’s happening. My wife loves him but even she’s saying I don’t think he can win here. And she flat loves him. lol. Lots of women love him, I get it. All over Facebook female fans pages.
St. John’s JQ is who he is and the big reason we won that game. The other few games he wasn’t nearly as explosive.
Lowe played in 9 games. Shot 67 times. 24 of those were threes. He wasn’t great but he also wasn’t just a volume shooter. Could get to the rim.
Kam was on the come. Getting more and more comfortable shooting and going to the rim and his defense.
Lowe played in 9 games. Shot 67 times. 24 of those were threes. He wasn’t great but he also wasn’t just a volume shooter. Could get to the rim.
Kam was on the come. Getting more and more comfortable shooting and going to the rim and his defense.
Are you just intentionally obtuse or it just come naturally? If JQ/Lowe didn’t play against St. John’s, we lose that game. There’s a few more games that we would’ve lost, at that time, had Lowe not played. Whether or not we’re better with or without Lowe is all subjective. At the very least, he gives us another ball handler, which we sorely need.
As for Kam, he has improved a lot over the season. He’s only a sophomore. That’s what sophomores do, they improve. He’s our best shooter, outside of Chandler. He’s also a great option to lock down a perimeter player with wingspan. We don’t really have another guy like him.
What do you mean, how can I argue that? I just told you. If someone isn’t on the roster, they damn sure aren’t gonna play in games. JQ would’ve been our best rebounder and interior defender by a long shot. He was the best defender in the entire portal. Again, we don’t have another guy on the roster like him.
JQ. Was. Recruited. Injured. With. No. Way. Of. Knowing. If. He. Would. Play.
He. Didn’t. Really. Play. When. He. Did. He. Didn’t. Look that. Great. Anyway.
MM. was. Better. Day. 1. And. Again. Today. He wasn’t never really part of the roster at all.
Basketball guys that do this for a living, played and coached, think Lowe doesn’t fit and would be a net negative. Facebook Pope queens and Cow argue that. Low can help from from a small role. His absence isn’t our problem.
Kam wasn’t even worth the scholarship for most of the year.
We’ve got 500 that pope will have to be removed or won’t add up to UK right? OH and he’s the worst recruiter we’ve ever had. What’s your excuse? How do you square that. You won’t answer it.
I don’t understand why some hate Pope so much on hereI feel bad for the people that are going to have to watch Pope for a LONG time.
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Now being used for a guy everybody likes, has they they do. Over and over.
It’s the same exact stuff, just incredible Wood.
We all like Mark. And also, Mark does not add up to Kentucky standards. We are in serious droughts, I don’t like him enough to sit back and watch Kentucky lose its position which is exactly what is happening. The guy cannot recruit here. Its case closed. He’s a 69% guy, start to finish. Nothing in his life says he can coach at UK. It’s a Mitch Barnhart hire. Come on Yall.
There it is. “You just Hate Cal”.
Now being used for a guy everybody likes, has they they do. Over and over.
It’s the same exact stuff, just incredible Wood.
We all like Mark. And also, Mark does not add up to Kentucky standards. We are in serious droughts, I don’t like him enough to sit back and watch Kentucky lose its position which is exactly what is happening. The guy cannot recruit here. Its case closed. He’s a 69% guy, start to finish. Nothing in his life says he can coach at UK. It’s a Mitch Barnhart hire. Come on Yall.
OP: Who said Kam or Lowe was one of our top 3 players? There’s also still a lot of questions about JQs overall ability versus a more complete player like Moreno. Florida is not garbage and your heavy negativity just makes your analysis seem amateur
You can’t say that everyone on here likes him. That’s not true at all. I’m not even sure if he’s the right guy or not but it’s obvious a few can’t stand him. I’m giving him 3 years to see where we are at as a program. I think that’s fair.
I guess I’m glad you will feel bad?I feel bad for the people that are going to have to watch Pope for a LONG time.
But it won’t be that long. It’s too long already. I won’t watch him at his next stop unless they play UK.
But Pope is saving me a lot of money. I won’t buy tickets or hotel rooms to watch him do a walk thru again.
I cancelled my room in Nashville already.
I cancelled my room in Indy a while ago.
I’ll continue to watch on TV and hope.
Seems a lot are doing that. I had a guy contact me this week offering lower level books for $700/book. Section 102 or 103.
I passed on them.
I’m certain we have one more season of this JV level basketball.
Then we can get going again.
It is fair.
But go ahead and take the poll. Straight up yes no, do you like Mark Pope. Nothing about the program, just “do you like him”. It’s going to be overwhelmingly yes. 100%. This is taking the same approach some did with Calipari “you just hate Cal”. It’s the go to when there’s no substance, Mark isn’t proving it on the court or in recruiting. We are the greatest program of all time, he has to measure up to that. Not, “we beat St. Johns hang a banner”.
I haven’t met one person in Lexington that hates Mark Pope. I also haven’t met anyone minus a small segment here that think he’s good for UK long term. I spoke to a manager last week while at work who said he really likes Mark but he can’t recruit and he doesn’t win enough. That’s pretty much the idea.
You helped make my point. You believe 100 percent of fans on this board like Pope, when they actually don’t. I’m not going to kick up the posts but I can easily prove you’re wrong on that. Idc what a poll shows, the posts speak for themselves.
I wasn’t trying to excuse any of his mistakes or weaknesses as a coach whatsoever I just said that I didn’t understand why people don’t like him as a person. I don’t understand why you tried to manipulate what I said. I also don’t understand why some on here are wanting Pope fired already when he hasn’t even finished his second season. I don’t think that’s even close to being reasonable.
Thank god for fans like me and you.
If we were all like @Monday Nitro this program would just devolve into some sad version of IU basketball where just making the tournament and occasionally being scrappy is good enough.
As long as there are people like us holding the standard high, we should be okay in the long-term.
I’ll try and explain this again. I’m not manipulating anything at all. Haven’t a clue where you coming up with that.
I’m talking about the idea that people that don’t want him to be the coach at UK anymore, or people that don’t think he’s going to win here “don’t like him”. But let’s be honest, it doesn’t matter if they like him or not. This is a blue blood program and he makes multi millions of dollars. You can make upwards of 100 million dollars at Kentucky. Liking him doesn’t matter. Believe it or not, there are guys who are contributors that aren’t huge fans of his. You and I don’t know Mark Pope. I didn’t like Calipari a day of my life, but I wanted him coaching here until 2018. So really it’s just not something that matters. This is just nonsense, I could hate the guy and if I think he’s up to standard I don’t care. I hate Todd Golden, doesn’t matter I’d hire him.
People can continue to coddle and go by 1994 standards of “give him 4” but that’s not how it works anymore. I personally like Mark okay, I’m not a fan of the goofball stuff, I think he’s way too soft. I like a hard assed approach it’s proven it works. But if he wins I’m fine. And yes if you took a poll and asked “do you like Mark Pope personally, it’s probably going to be 90% yes. It’s up to Mark to prove he can handle this job. So far that hasn’t happened. The REAL issue is he’s not won anything and he’s a pretty bad recruiter. He’s struck out a lot in the portal and can’t recruit freshman to date. If those things change my opinion will change with it. So what I’m saying is people do like Mark but it’s irrelevant anyway. The smart *** remarks about him are more about his ability not himself personally. I can’t count how many times I’ve heard it said “Mark is a nice guy but”. However, you’re ignoring all that for some reason and zeroing in on a frustrated fanbase.
Guy needs to recruit quit getting blown out and win. He wants to be loved, win. I don’t even think he’d argue that. I am 100% doubting his ability I think he’s sinking here. So me liking him doesn’t mean anything so I don’t know why any of that matters in the first place. Pull top recruits, win the SEC, get to the final four. That’s all that matters not his popularity. But you can run that poll at any minute, you’ll see he’s liked I’m sure. We don’t have to guess, poll it. It would be interesting.
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You are 100% rightWhat’s the excuse about Mark being the worst recruiter we’ve ever had? He’s under Tubby and Gillispie levels. How do you square that? Mark has struck out on most of his top portal targets and ALL of his national 5 star targets. He’s like 0-27 or something close. It’s insane.
I like Mark and another reason I want this to end quickly? He’s going to kill his legacy here is this continues. That’s my biggest fear. But look back, Sam type of coach he was all those years at BYU. I get it, you like Mark he speaks to us Kentucky guys and we want it. But we wouldn’t have ever given Calipari this kind of rope. Be objective, wind and losses, scoreboard. Don’t worry about the outside stuff, scoreboard. We’re a blueblood. We’re in droughts. Scoreboard. Wins losses. Final fours.
Mark is a pretty decent coach, he’s just not Uk material man. He’s not elite. We can’t lose our standing and keep him around because he played here and talks to us better than Calipari. And that’s exactly what’s happening. My wife loves him but even she’s saying I don’t think he can win here. And she flat loves him. lol. Lots of women love him, I get it. All over Facebook female fans pages.
They don't hate they just don't think he can do the job at an acceptable level.
For me it's not about like or dislike. Who cares if we like him. I want a killer coach and recruiter. Pitino was not likable he was a self absorbed prick but he got the job done.
Lol, Kam ranks 5th in 3pt% on the team. Chandler, Noah, Johnson and Aberdeen all have better a %. Oweh is almost better and he is a horrible 3pt shooter.
In his last 5 games, he scored above 5 pts twice. One of the those was 8 points. The other was 14 against MS St. He started his last 2 games and still didn't break 15 minutes of playing time.
JQ was the best post defender pre injury. He played 66 min and scored 20 points, 20 rebounds and had 3 blocks and 2 steals and 6 turnovers post injury.
And 10pts, 8 rbs and 2 blocks came in one game against St John's. He absolutely sucked against SEC teams.