Anybody else hate all the “ most physical team” wins

theKybluedude

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Showing my age but I hate that college basketball has regressed into a wrestling match. All the commentators talk about teams need to get more physical. Impede cuts to the basketball with body blocks. No 3 second calls. Moving screens drive me nuts with no calls. Bumps on drives. One hand shoves on the hip. Not many over the back calls. Grabbing and pushing. Guess the officials can’t call them all.
I miss the freedom of movement.
Officials letting some severe contact go and then call an off the ball touch foul that isn’t affecting the play.
The NBA plays a cleaner style
 
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peterpiper09

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I recently watched the 1982 UK/UNC game. What amazed me was the lack of contact in that game. There wasn’t much movement either on offense. They called a foul on about any bump. Absolutely nothing like today. I watched all through those years, but I didn’t realize it had changed that much.

That being said, look for Florida to get by with murder under the bucket in our game Saturday. All the talk is about how epic their lost post presence is, and I figure they’ll let that play out the same. Touch fouls if we touch anyone. Whatever they need to do to get the rebound will be ok. Got to win this one out front.
 

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I'm with you 100%................. that and an when an offensive player backs into the basket by repeatedly bumping the defensive player out of the way. Then if there is a foul it's on the defender.
LeBron started that. 😄
 

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What drives me nuts is when a guard beats our guy off the dribble and our shot blocker can't help because his man pretends to be posting up with his arms outstretched, backing him out of the play. That should be a moving screen.
Yes, but to be fair, Moreno and Garrison clear guys out to open driving lanes for Oweh.. It's one of our most effective plays.
 

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I love you!
Basketball has changed so much over the years and it’s so sad how officiating affects the game.
I always thought Ulis, Wheeler, and Butler played defense the right way. Hands up, or one hand in the front side pocket, feet moving, always fronting the offender, quickness, and reaction.
I absolutely hate the constant no call on moving screens, reaching in with one hand, when players go for the steal with two hands and they call that a foul.
The number one thing I hate about officials is if they make a bad call on one end and coaches complain, they will always justify it with a make up call on the other end.
You should not notice officiating!
They are constantly making themselves known.
They are also gambling on games and I mean the majority of officials are in on this.
They are not held accountable.
 

yoshukai

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What drives me nuts is when a guard beats our guy off the dribble and our shot blocker can't help because his man pretends to be posting up with his arms outstretched, backing him out of the play. That should be a moving screen.
This ^. That is usually a moving screen. We should have a few offensive linemen from the football team on our bench for special situations. Down 1 point at the end of half or game …..put them in and let them bulldoze the other team out of the paint giving Oweh an open lane to the basket.lol
 

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Yes, but to be fair, Moreno and Garrison clear guys out to open driving lanes for Oweh.. It's one of our most effective plays.

I was about to say - we frequently do this screen. It’s been an adjustment/tweak of our offense the past 6 weeks or so.
 
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The "bla bla bla physicality" gets on my nerves
Yep. While there’s a level truth to it, it gets overused to the point of being a broken and lazy cliche. It allows commentators to skip those few extra hours of actually preparing and simply say the losing team is getting outmatched physically. Many times, it is more complicated than that. It’s also like when they say there wasn’t enough “effort” and the winning team “wanted it more.” Gets annoying if you go rewatch the film in most cases and see what really happened play-to-play.
 

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I have said this for years, I guess we just need to adapt.

I thought they had changed some things to free it up but nothing really has changed.

My biggest pet peeve is the defender is allowed to touch the offensive player with 1 hand and they use that hand to basically hold/arm bar and push them (UT and UF does this the most). Like ya you can touch them, but you can't HOLD THEM. I love how Oweh SLAPS it away.
 
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dynastydreamuk

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Remember they tried to clean it up 5 years back or so for freedom of movement but seems we have regressed back into really physical play. I knew we would for the reasons below.

I believe its all because of the college refs. Obviously they are the ones that make the calls.

I firmly believe most college Refs are gambling and by letting the game get so physical, the Ref can call a foul at anytime which gives them total control where and when they want it.
 

STL_Cat

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There’s a place for it and I like it. For instance Oweh had what I would call an extremely physical drive and bucket the other night against UT. Nothing illegal he just went right through the guy who was tagging him all the way to the basket, went up strong and finished through him. Having guys that are willing to put their butts on a guy (pause?) hard and block him out and get a tough rebound. I like legal physicality but yes it has become a little cliche.
 
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UKGrad24

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I think it all depends. Allowing some physical play under the goal like it always was is fine. I like that there’s a price to be paid for driving in on 7 footers. At the same time, the SEC allowing guys like Barnes to employ “they can’t call them all” is bush league and BS. Tennessee should be fouled out non stop but if they call them all they’ll foul the team out. So the way a team like Tennessee plays, yea it gets old quick. Play the game, bigs are one thing, but when you’re entire time is fouling non stop there needs to be a moment where the official goes to the coach and tells him to knock it off or you’re about to start calling fouls left and right.
 

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Showing my age but I hate that college basketball has regressed into a wrestling match. All the commentators talk about teams need to get more physical. Impede cuts to the basketball with body blocks. No 3 second calls. Moving screens drive me nuts with no calls. Bumps on drives. One hand shoves on the hip. Not many over the back calls. Grabbing and pushing. Guess the officials can’t call them all.
I miss the freedom of movement.
Officials letting some severe contact go and then call an off the ball touch foul that isn’t affecting the play.
The NBA plays a cleaner style
Whenever they talk about a team being more physical all that means is the refs let them get away with fouling, any team can be physical it's just whether or not the refs will let them.
 

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There’s a place for it and I like it. For instance Oweh had what I would call an extremely physical drive and bucket the other night against UT. Nothing illegal he just went right through the guy who was tagging him all the way to the basket, went up strong and finished through him. Having guys that are willing to put their butts on a guy (pause?) hard and block him out and get a tough rebound. I like legal physicality but yes it has become a little cliche.

The problem I have with that play for Oweh is the UT defender fouled him 3 times, and it wasn't called before Oweh went up for the shot. It makes the game a rugby match on hardwood, and it usually makes the game UGLY to watch b/c most teams have trouble scoring against illegal defense.

It's partially why young guys like Jasper have a hard time contributing more...his quickness is good, but it gets nullified by a defender being "physical....holding/bumping" aka FOULING him to prevent movement.
 

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I think it all depends. Allowing some physical play under the goal like it always was is fine. I like that there’s a price to be paid for driving in on 7 footers. At the same time, the SEC allowing guys like Barnes to employ “they can’t call them all” is bush league and BS. Tennessee should be fouled out non stop but if they call them all they’ll foul the team out. So the way a team like Tennessee plays, yea it gets old quick. Play the game, bigs are one thing, but when you’re entire time is fouling non stop there needs to be a moment where the official goes to the coach and tells him to knock it off or you’re about to start calling fouls left and right.

The price to be paid is fine as long as the foul is called...the price paid for the offensive player is the guy getting physical... the price paid for the defender usually should be a foul and 2 FTs for the drive.

Now to be fair, I equally hate rewarding out of control drivers who jump into defender and get bailed out by a foul call. So many of those should be play on and often a turnover by the offensive player...not to mention the fake whiplash with players snapping their heads back trying to draw a non-existent foul... those should be either a technical for unsportsmanlike/delay of game or AT LEAST a warning the first time followed by a technical for every offense after that.

Mark Sears for BAMA last year would've been ejected for 2 technicals every game last season... poor guy had some many self-induced whiplash incidents, he probably has the only case of self-induced chronic CTE.
 

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What drives me nuts is when a guard beats our guy off the dribble and our shot blocker can't help because his man pretends to be posting up with his arms outstretched, backing him out of the play. That should be a moving screen.
It definitely should be and teams all over use it now, especially against us this year. It's frustrating.
 
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carolinacat

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Our legendary Ricky P was one of the first who utilized the "they can't call em' all" physicality strategy (along with Nolan Richardson). One time Pitino allegedly chastised an official for a foul call saying "that's not a foul, it's just the way we play." LOL. Hand checking/grabbing the defender is destroying the game.
 

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I'm with you 100%................. that and a when an offensive player backs into the basket by repeatedly bumping the defensive player out of the way. Then if there is a foul it's on the defender.
Yeah it goes both ways- offensive players these days initiate all kinds of contact on drives and usually end up drawing a foul call on the defender.
 

Phil_The_Music2

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I just wish they would decide and be consistent in how the game is to be played. You can absolutely mean mug someone and not get a foul called 1 second, and then within the same play you can breathe on someone and get called. It's unwatchable and I only watch because of my lifelong love of UK. If not for that I would have been done with college basketball years ago.
 

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I just wish they would decide and be consistent in how the game is to be played. You can absolutely mean mug someone and not get a foul called 1 second, and then within the same play you can breathe on someone and get called. It's unwatchable and I only watch because of my lifelong love of UK. If not for that I would have been done with college basketball years ago.

To me this issue shows officials might be on the take. Why would it be so different one minute to the next? Maybe because you need to call a foul in any situation you deem necessary to sway momentum or stop a run, or give points at the line. Sorry I just do not believe these officials are clean. Never will.
 

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What drives me nuts is when a guard beats our guy off the dribble and our shot blocker can't help because his man pretends to be posting up with his arms outstretched, backing him out of the play. That should be a moving screen.

BG gets caught on this every single game.
 

Phil_The_Music2

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To me this issue shows officials might be on the take. Why would it be so different one minute to the next? Maybe because you need to call a foul in any situation you deem necessary to sway momentum or stop a run, or give points at the line. Sorry I just do not believe these officials are clean. Never will.
I'm with you. The game can be a slug fest and we go on a run, then suddenly we get called for ghost fouls every possession. And it's not just our games, I see it in others too.
 
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I love physical play. I hate ticky tack foul calls. Bring back hand checking. No grabbing no, pushing or punching, but “space” belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it or hold it.
 
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UKSanders

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I love physical play. I hate ticky tack foul calls. Bring back hand checking. No grabbing no, pushing or punching, but “space” belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it or hold it.

But that isn't the game... space is supposed to belong to whoever has the most quickness/most agility to take it... every player has the right to stand in their position on the floor. No one should be able to just physically push you across the floor...that is a foul.

As far as ticky tack foul calls... I agree to an extent, but I think we primarily see them that way BECAUSE they allow football line of scrimmage physical play one minute THEN call the equivalent of a touch foul the next. If the game were officiated to truly allow player movement without the rugby style holding and pushing, it would showcase the speed & athleticism of players so much more, and guys who didn't possess basketball skills would have more limited roles.
 

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I watched a Kentucky game from the 80’s one day and the guy guarding the ball at the top of the key just barely touched him with 2 hands and they called a foul. Nobody even complained about it. He was just mad at himself for fouling him. It was hilarious compared to today.
 
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UKSanders

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LeBron started that. 😄

Actually, Shaq was the first major offender I remember. He would just “power dribble” aka use his shoulder to drive the defender under the basket, and then he could dunk on them.

That is what really caused the uprise of flopping. As much as I hate fake flops, when an offensive player kid doing what Shaq did, there is no defense…if the defender pushes back, it’s a foul. If he doesn’t, he gets pushed under the basket. If he allows the offensive player to run him over (falls on contact), fans get all upset about needing to “man up” and play defense, but it’s a foul when he tries.
 
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Definitely agree with a lot of the sentiments here. Haven’t seen my pet peeve mentioned yet though…and that’s the ridiculous foul calls on 3-pointers. When a shooter is barely touched on the fingers AFTER the ball has been released, or when the shooter has landed clean and then the defender maybe barely brushes up against him…a frickin joke that these are called fouls. Whatever happened to “no harm no foul” concept…
 

wildcatdon

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The problem I have with that play for Oweh is the UT defender fouled him 3 times, and it wasn't called before Oweh went up for the shot. It makes the game a rugby match on hardwood, and it usually makes the game UGLY to watch b/c most teams have trouble scoring against illegal defense.

It's partially why young guys like Jasper have a hard time contributing more...his quickness is good, but it gets nullified by a defender being "physical....holding/bumping" aka FOULING him to prevent movement.
Bingo
 

wildcatdon

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I love physical play. I hate ticky tack foul calls. Bring back hand checking. No grabbing no, pushing or punching, but “space” belongs to whoever is strong enough to take it or hold it.
They don’t have to bring back hand checking it’s been here forever. What you are describing is not basketball. There are rules for a reason. What you describe is more football than basketball.
 

wildcatdon

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Actually, Shaq was the first major offender I remember. He would just “power dribble” aka use his shoulder to drive the defender under the basket, and then he could dunk on them.

That is what really caused the uprise of flopping. As much as I hate fake flops, when an offensive player kid doing what Shaq did, there is no defense…if the defender pushes back, it’s a foul. If he doesn’t, he gets pushed under the basket. If he allows the offensive player to run him over (falls on contact), fans get all upset about needing to “man up” and play defense, but it’s a foul when he tries.
And there is a rule to protect the defender against that but never do you see it called.
 

wildcatdon

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Showing my age but I hate that college basketball has regressed into a wrestling match. All the commentators talk about teams need to get more physical. Impede cuts to the basketball with body blocks. No 3 second calls. Moving screens drive me nuts with no calls. Bumps on drives. One hand shoves on the hip. Not many over the back calls. Grabbing and pushing. Guess the officials can’t call them all.
I miss the freedom of movement.
Officials letting some severe contact go and then call an off the ball touch foul that isn’t affecting the play.
The NBA plays a cleaner style
I have been an official for 50 years and am truly sad to see such a great game devolve into what it is today. I only watch UK games anymore and struggle watching those. I am an admitted purist and today’s game disgusts me. All of the points made on here are valid about how the game has changed. We will never see it back the way it should be.
 
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wildcatdon

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There’s a place for it and I like it. For instance Oweh had what I would call an extremely physical drive and bucket the other night against UT. Nothing illegal he just went right through the guy who was tagging him all the way to the basket, went up strong and finished through him. Having guys that are willing to put their butts on a guy (pause?) hard and block him out and get a tough rebound. I like legal physicality but yes it has become a little cliche.
Oweh was fouled all the way to the basket.
 

Trinity45

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Showing my age but I hate that college basketball has regressed into a wrestling match. All the commentators talk about teams need to get more physical. Impede cuts to the basketball with body blocks. No 3 second calls. Moving screens drive me nuts with no calls. Bumps on drives. One hand shoves on the hip. Not many over the back calls. Grabbing and pushing. Guess the officials can’t call them all.
I miss the freedom of movement.
Officials letting some severe contact go and then call an off the ball touch foul that isn’t affecting the play.
The NBA plays a cleaner style
Part of this problem is officiating, if they would call what they should, some of this would be cleaned up.