A great read on why we need a Basketball GM

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Hopefully i can post these articles and im not breaking any rules. But this article really sums up why we need a Basketball GM in today's college basketball. Glad to see this gaining traction.

 

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That was a waste of two minutes. Can someone list 5 specific roles of a GM?
Roster management. Watching tape and compiling mid major prospect all season long. Know who is going into the portal. Managing $$$ offers to recruits. They come from the agent/shoe company world and already have contacts with agents and know what players are actually worth. They do no coaching.
 

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That was a waste of two minutes. Can someone list 5 specific roles of a GM?

They can do countless business related items. They can take some items off the ADs plate as well as the Coach.

When you think about it a basketball teams success is determined by a management chain that consists of an AD managing 50 other teams, 1 head coach, and his staff of like 10 assistants and trainers. Thats pretty much it. Sure seems like with NIL and total roster turnover, that a GM could come in and be another set of working hands to get us to the finish line.
 
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Roster management. Watching tape and compiling mid major prospect all season long. Know who is going into the portal. Managing $$$ offers to recruits. They come from the agent/shoe company world and already have contacts with agents and know what players are actually worth. They do no coaching.
So said GM will construct the roster and says to coach; there's your team. As well as watching tape of mid major talent.
 
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They can do countless business related items. They can take some items off the ADs plate as well as the Coach.

When you think about it a basketball teams success is determined by a management chain that consists of an AD managing 50 other teams, 1 head coach, and his staff of like 10 assistants and trainers. Thats pretty much it. Sure seems like with NIL and total roster turnover, that a GM could come in and be another set of working hands to get us to the finish line.
Does the GM report to the head coach or the AD?
 

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Does the GM report to the head coach or the AD?
My guess would be both but primarily the coach for roster building and AD/JMI for NIL budget management.

I think the number one benefit would be if we hired someone from the NBA GM world that has preexisting relationships with many of these agents who are the same agents as NBA players have.
 

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Who gets final say on the roster coach or GM?
My guess would be coach.

I’d say the coaching staff says “here’s our big board” and then GM works with agent while coaches build player and family relationships.

GM also actively works agent contacts for possible portal players and also scouts possible portal players and says “check this kid out”.

But I have no idea this is just speculation on my part.
 

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That, or some sense of normalcy returning to the game apa implosion of said NCAA.
 
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Duke's GM came from Nike with pre-existing agent contacts, does no coaching, and doesn't even attend practices. All she basically does is player evaluation, NIL evaluation, and communicating with players and their camps in a broad sense. She communicates with the assistants and team scouts for players from overseas, works with the NCAA for eligibility and requirements for foreign players, watches and evaluates mid major, D-2, and High School film. Suggests players to the coaching staff to take a look at after compiling a list of the best prospects available that fit Duke's system, along with a projected NIL valuation in the current market and which teams will be competitive in fighting for that player, wiggle room for negotiations, and relevant pitch information that will help close the deal. Rachel is invaluable to Duke, and it shows. They haven't exactly had trouble recruiting, convincing 5 stars to sit the bench and wait their turn, or figuring out NIL. You rarely see Duke not get the player they want and even more rarely see them as a hat on the table. The short of it, the GM tries to build the roster for the system the Head Coach wants, and suggests the players to the Coach that are actually a fit AND getable. Saves the staff tons of time recruiting someone who would never come here and losing out on guys who would while chasing after someone who isn't coming. The GM can also negotiate between agents, players, the staff and in our case JMI to hammer out the contract and take Pope out of the closer role.

All that to say, none of it fixes the JMI issues that elite basketball recruits seem to hate. Can't tell if it affects 4 stars or 3 stars because we don't have any of them targeted or signed either. Judging by Footballs success (with a GM by the way), the JMI deal doesn't affect players outside of that top 15 or so spots nearly as much.
 

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So said GM will construct the roster and says to coach; there's your team. As well as watching tape of mid major talent.
The gm doesnt construct the roster. The coach reviews scouting reports thoughout the year that gm constructs advises on targets. Gm prepares offers on those targets as soon as portal opens. They are actually correct on the amount of money to be offered. Head coach picks his recruiting targets. Coaching staff does the actual recruiting. Gm makes the nil offer. We currently have college coaches doing this. They have no background or experience in this area as coaches have never done it before. They dont know how to negotiate and develop relationships with agents. Gm already has them before you hire them.
 

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Does the GM report to the head coach or the AD?

My guess would be both but primarily the coach for roster building and AD/JMI for NIL budget management.

I think the number one benefit would be if we hired someone from the NBA GM world that has preexisting relationships with many of these agents who are the same agents as NBA players have.

I would think he sits in between them, but theres a lot of ways you can do it.

And yeah, I would go get an NBA exec, who maybe spent some time in college athletics. Those guys would line up to be the GM of Kentucky basketball.

If NBA teams have GMs, why shouldnt college teams?
 
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This is not great for UK. The right leadership would have us at the forefront of all this
They allowed Stein to hire a GM and an assistant GM. Obviously way more to deal with in football but Stein also has like 20 assistants/staff members.

I’m thinking more and more that Pope thought his staff could handle it all. My reply would be why would you not want someone helping with the details and non-basketball stuff?

Pope shouldn’t ever be involved with a contract negation. He should be telling recruits “we want you and the GM will work out the details”. Pope should be focusing his recruiting on building the personal relationships and a GM can work out the contracts. 99% of the work the staff does should be building relationships in recruiting and coaching the team.
 

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I would think he sits in between them, but theres a lot of ways tou can do it.

And yeah, I would go tet an NBA exec, who maybe spent some time in college athletics. Those guys would line up to be the GM of Kentucky basketball.

If NBA teams have GMs, why shouldnt college teams?
Exactly. College is now professional and we should structure the athletic department like an NFL team or NBA team does. The professional model already exists we just need to tweak it to fit the specifics of college.
 

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So said GM will construct the roster and says to coach; there's your team. As well as watching tape of mid major talent.
A GM for college hoops has a different role than the pro's. The GM for Stein reports to Stein. The article plainly states Stein hired the GM so they have a supporting role. A basketball GM would report to Pope as well.
 

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They allowed Stein to hire a GM and an assistant GM. Obviously way more to deal with in football but Stein also has like 20 assistants/staff members.

I’m thinking more and more that Pope thought his staff could handle it all. My reply would be why would you not want someone helping with the details and non-basketball stuff?

Pope shouldn’t ever be involved with a contract negation. He should be telling recruits “we want you and the GM will work out the details”. Pope should be focusing his recruiting on building the personal relationships and a GM can work out the contracts. 99% of the work the staff does should be building relationships in recruiting and coaching the team.
Spot on !
 

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You all should watch the Field of 68 clip in the other thread. Dauster and Goodman lay out the way many teams are handling GM role in basketball. You can fast forward through the first 20 minutes to get to the relevant part.
 
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The only real answer is Ricky P.

He wouldnt be bad. Hate to say it, but you know who would probably kill it and is almost made for this role? Cal. He could focus on revenue deals, marketing, recruiting relationships, scouting, NIL handlings, facilities, etc.

Truthfully hes always been better at *that* side of basketball than the coaching lol.
 
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Stein first hire was a GM and he kills it in portal, coach has final say on roster but the GM and AGM does a ton of work behinds the scenes

Yes basketball needs a GM and AGM - that’s a no brainer

Gotta glaze the agents to get the studs out of HS and portal
 

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Roster management. Watching tape and compiling mid major prospect all season long. Know who is going into the portal. Managing $$$ offers to recruits. They come from the agent/shoe company world and already have contacts with agents and know what players are actually worth. They do no coaching.
All that plus I would add that it's probably a bad idea for a coach to decide how much money the players make. That situation makes a traditional player / coach relationship impossible.
 

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My guess would be coach.

I’d say the coaching staff says “here’s our big board” and then GM works with agent while coaches build player and family relationships.

GM also actively works agent contacts for possible portal players and also scouts possible portal players and says “check this kid out”.

But I have no idea this is just speculation on my part.
The GM does nothing but watch tape and build relationships. He brings players to the staff, heck out this kid. If the staff likes him they start inroads, make calls, talk to agents, and judges value. That’s how you win recruits these days. That’s how when players hit the portal most know where they want to go. We start recruiting them then and that’s why we miss on top guys.
 
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It’s simple. College has turned into the NBA lite. Do coaches fool around with salary cap, contracts, etc? No, the GM does. Let coaches coach and the GM find the players. Pope has final say but the GM does the leg work.
 

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You all should watch the Field of 68 clip in the other thread. Dauster and Goodman lay out the way many teams are handling GM role in basketball. You can fast forward through the first 20 minutes to get to the relevant part.
I watched this and think it's something we can use and need. A criticism of the guys was roster construction for this team and this could help fix it. they stated Pope and staff did not know the market and a GM would have this responsibility. Along with the other duties others have mentioned.
 
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He wouldnt be bad. Hate to say it, but you know who would probably kill it and is almost made for this role? Cal. He could focus on revenue deals, marketing, recruiting relationships, scouting, NIL handlings, facilities, etc.

Truthfully hes always been better at *that* side of basketball than the coaching lol.
Thought that for a while. Cal would 100% crush it.
 

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Pope absolutely needs a GM. I think that’ll happen this summer.
But Field of 68 and others mentioning mid major scouting is odd.

Of the top teams and programs here are their mid major players from last year that average at least 5 PPG:

1 guy who was a borderline first round pick(Yaxel)
Jamarques Lawrence(originally at Neb transferred to URI for one year then returned to Nebraska)
Melvin Council Jr

That’s it for teams in the top 10.
Adding to it:
UNC- none
Ark- none
BYU- Kennard Davis
Louisville- Adrian Wooley
Florida- Xaivian Lee
St John’s- Dylan Darling
Tennessee- none

So of the 17 or so most relevant comparable teams, there are a total of 7 guys from mid majors the prior season that are averaging 5 PPG or more.

I think it’s very easy to make a case of the 7, the guys were obvious(Yaxel, Lee, Wooley) or they’re JAGs. I’ve liked Council at KU but even he was an obvious top 100-150 guy in the whole portal, not someone to be scouting for months to find some unknown.

Just a random rant and research.

Pope does need a GM though, just for tons of other reasons.
 

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Good take on the GM position.

is Pope that hard headed?


I didnt watch the whole thing, but if youre saying Pope is hard headed on thr decision to hire a GM.. he might have to change that thinking real fast. His results arent cutting it so far, so why not get someone who can help? Being hard headed will cost Pope his job before long.

Here's the thing, a few years ago Duke went and got a basketball GM who is doing all the things we mentioned above. And as much as I hate to say it, you'd take their success and recruiting over the last 10 years in a heart beat.

You want to win like an elite program, youre gonna have to be elite at all aspects. And running the program like its a pro sports team front office is one of them.
 
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Yes Kentucky needs to sort out the NIL era and hire a GM. We are no longer in amateur sports this is a pro league and every pro league has a GM to handle things that a coach simply doesn’t have the time or the knowledge of. Duke hired a former Nike Exec and they’re killing it. Kentucky is dragging its feet because Mitch Barnhart is too old and his ways align in the opposite direction of how the modern game is played. Until Kentucky gets rid of this president and AD we will be behind in most areas of the modern NIL era. Mitch not only hates it but he also doesn’t want a dime of money going to any of the places it goes so he’s quick to direct money away from it and lock down any avenues money would’ve put. Probably all the way to a GM contract.

I was told until Mitch is gone and a new wave of people come in Kentucky is going to be behind and has been from the beginning. How he’s managed to survive this long is beyond me.
 

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Pope tried it without a GM this year and failed miserably. He overpaid for most of our team and didn’t offer enough for others. Gotta be an idiot to not see that.
 
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Forgot to mention one of the most important duties of the Duke GM: working with the players, directly, on their NIL. Not just sourcing NIL. Working 1 on 1 with the players.

Imagine that. Pope doesnt even need to worry about NIL, and the players instead basically get a dedicated person securing these options on their behalf. Might as well be their own personal ATM. "Hey Boozer, you got a commercial shoot for Tampax, here's a $100,000 check, does that work?"