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We'll see.
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I have diminishing hope.

That Maxwell lady has been in prison for years for trafficking women. Epstein "killed himself" over it, and there are women who are held up as victims.

And yet in all of this, we dont have any Johns. How can there be trafficking with no Johns?

We're supposed to be excited because some guy said he didn't meet Epstein, but took his family to meet him for lunch? We're after child traffickers, not lunch attendees that brought their own kids along.

This looks like an investigation where the investigators have tried really hard not to see what's in front of them.
 
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I'm a right vs wrong guy, not a right vs left. I don't care what happened with the previous administration. Let the truth come out. I firmly believe some big time democrats will go down with the republicans, and they should.

The Republicans are attempting to go after Clinton. That is backfiring.
Trump has taught you well. Point your finger at the previous administration and democrats rather than control what you can control.
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Riiiiiiggghht.
 
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I have diminishing hope.

That Maxwell lady has been in prison for years for trafficking women. Epstein "killed himself" over it, and there are women who are held up as victims.

And yet in all of this, we dont have any Johns. How can there be trafficking with no Johns?

We're supposed to be excited because some guy said he didn't meet Epstein, but took his family to meet him for lunch? We're after child traffickers, not lunch attendees that brought their own kids along.

This looks like an investigation where the investigators have tried really hard not to see what's in front of them.
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Maxwell actually committed a crime, she should be in prison. Anyone who thinks Epstein killed himself also believes the vote count in Atlanta was legitimate. The women who were "victims" were all willing participants who were paid, enjoyed luxury travel and could have quit and left any time they wanted to.

Someone taking their family to lunch on a luxurious island is not breaking any laws. What are they going to prosecute him for, lying about where he ate lunch?

Bill Clinton, a known womanizer, made multiple trips to Epstein's island, the flight records prove it, is getting very little mention at all. Going to the island wasn't illegal and, so far, there has been no evidence presented that Clinton broke any laws but someone taking their family to lunch is the BIG STORY?

Nothing is going to happen. I'd hate to be some lower level staffer who worked for one of the rich, powerful people who did go to the island and did illegal things. Those lower level types are the ones who get thrown to the wolves.
 
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There was actually a dip in viewership at halftime. That's notable b/c there has always been spike in halftime viewership.

While the TPUSA halftime show was lightly viewed in comparison the SB halftime show, it was still over 6 million people who didn't watch the SB halftime show. Eyeballs matter. Even with the SB halftime show being the 4th most viewed ever with 128 million viewers, there is some cause for concern that they had a dip in viewership at halftime and lost 6 million viewers to the TPUSA show. And this is just the first kick at the door for an alternative.

Libs are doing victory laps because the SB halftime show had exceedingly far more viewers. Well, of course it did. It's the SB. Nobody was expecting or projecting that the TPUSA show would have more viewers. That's absurd. But it made a dent. A small dent, but a dent nonetheless.

While the NFL has no reason to worry about the position of the SB, you can be sure they are giving some attention to the TPUSA issue. They want EVERY eyeball they can get and now they know there were 6+ million people who watched something else.

48.6 million households tuned in for the SB. 26.5 million watched the halftime show.

The TPUSA halftime show was the most watched YT livestream ever (or second, depending on the data).

Again, it was never about "beating" SB halftime viewership. It was about making a cultural dent and getting people to turn off the halftime show. And it did that without any mainstream media push. Especially considering this was just the first iteration of a halftime show alternative, it was a rousing success.
 
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More data continues to come in. Halftime viewership increased every year from 2021-2025 (102 million, 112 million, 121 million, 129.3 million, 133.5 million). This year broke the trend with a decrease to 128.2 million.

It was NOT the most halftime show ever. Viewers tuned out, by the millions. Breaking a longtime trend of viewership spiking at halftime, this was the first year there was a decrease in viewership during halftime.

Don't believe mainstream slop reporting that it was a rousing success.
 
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Forget culture, politics, patriotism, and such. I watched the visuals which you have to ask yourself how disappointing it was for our youth in general. Look at it through the eyes of Jesus. It was promoting sex, prostituting women, and homosexuality. I loved how they tried to do it subtly, like the two guys bumping uglies by the truck. And we wonder why our youth have no respect for anyone or anything. But you all keep talking about how culturally great it was. Sad.
 
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Forget culture, politics, patriotism, and such. I watched the visuals which you have to ask yourself how disappointing it was for our youth in general. Look at it through the eyes of Jesus. It was promoting sex, prostituting women, and homosexuality. I loved how they tried to do it subtly, like the two guys bumping uglies by the truck. And we wonder why our youth have no respect for anyone or anything. But you all keep talking about how culturally great it was. Sad.
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Sad thing is if you see footage posted on X by those in the stadium, it was absolutely dead. No life at all. The crowd was NOT into it.

However, those watching on TV have said how electric it was because the broadcast piped in fake crowd noise.
 
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Talent is in the eyes of the beholders.
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It's really alllllllllll marketing.

If Bad Bunny went by his real name, Benito Ocasio, and dressed normal, he'd be a nobody. There are clips of his performances online without background tracks and autotune taken out. He's an awful singer.

Taylor Swift is hailed as the greatest musician/performer in a generation. She gets showered with praise for her song writing ability. If you just sat down and read her lyrics online, you'd say their the dumbest thing you've ever read.

I supposed it's always been that way to some degree.

None of these people would make it past the preliminary round of any singing talent contest.
 
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Bad Bunny lost the most viewership from the second quarter to halftime in the history of the Super Bowl.

Stunning.
 
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It's really alllllllllll marketing.

If Bad Bunny went by his real name, Benito Ocasio, and dressed normal, he'd be a nobody. There are clips of his performances online without background tracks and autotune taken out. He's an awful singer.

Taylor Swift is hailed as the greatest musician/performer in a generation. She gets showered with praise for her song writing ability. If you just sat down and read her lyrics online, you'd say their the dumbest thing you've ever read.

I supposed it's always been that way to some degree.

None of these people would make it past the preliminary round of any singing talent contest.
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I'm not part of Taylor Swift's target audience and, while I don't love her music, it isn't totally horrible, I do admire her work ethic and her ability to market to her target fan base, young girls between 10 and 15 yrs old. Her melodies and lyrics are trite, simplistic, sugary pop garbage but her fans relate and spend billions of dollars of their parents money on Taylor Swift. She is something of a modern day Beatles type phenomenon. The Beatles early stuff was pure pop and that is the music that made them superstars.
 
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I'm not part of Taylor Swift's target audience and, while I don't love her music, it isn't totally horrible, I do admire her work ethic and her ability to market to her target fan base, young girls between 10 and 15 yrs old. Her melodies and lyrics are trite, simplistic, sugary pop garbage but her fans relate and spend billions of dollars of their parents money on Taylor Swift. She is something of a modern day Beatles type phenomenon. The Beatles early stuff was pure pop and that is the music that made them superstars.
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It is amazingly impressive how much cash she has raked in.
 
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Sleepyhead said:
I ended my YouTube tv subscription after college football was over so not even watching the game but I bounced back and forth between the two half time shows. At this point I’m just sick of it all. I’d like an 80’s themed halftime show but it probably won’t happen.
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You didn't need a subscription to watch the Super Bowl. It was carried this year on NBC, and could have been watched via your local NBC affilliate (WIS in Columbia, WXIA in Atlanta, etc) with an antenna connected to your TV.
 
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Greer said:
Yeah, I think we are all save ourselves some stress is we accept the Superbowl halftime show is not that important. It is to attract nonfootball fans and generate ad revenue and nothing more. The NFL wants to expand viewership and their plan is to attrract non traditional football fans. They probably have all of the traditional football fans they are going to get. They also need a younger crowd. At my age I went to bed before it was over because I have work to do today.
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I've never been a fan of the excessively long halftime at the Super Bowl over every other NFL game. Never been a fan of the hal;ftime entertainment, regardless of whos is playing. Good time to use the restroom, grab something to eat, etc.

I imagine that there were plenty of youtubers livestreaming commentary and analysis of ther first half during halftime. This has probably been happening for several yers by now.
 
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92Pony said:
Yeah, the commercials have been bad for years now. The advertisers are just trying too hard..... I only really remember one; It was the Dunkin one. And the only reason I remember is because all I could think was, "Wow! What did it cost them to have alllll of these big-name celebs in a single ad?!?" :D
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Yes, the Dunkin' commercial stood out in my mind too.
 
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KingWard said:
As long as a person is free to ingest as he/she chooses, simply do so and go on from there. I chose not to ingest any of it. I had the most recent Chicago Fire episode recorded. I ingested that.
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And that freedom to choose is what makes America great.
 
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I'll add my 3 cents worth (inflation, you know). As a white, southern-born good ole boy, these Hispanic shows have no appeal to me. I am a kid of the Beatles, Carpenters, Chicago, Three Dog Night, etc music. And I was no fan of the George Lopez tv show. Then again, I have never been a fan of the all black tv shows (though I did like "The Jeffersons:; but that was a Norman Lear show; so that was different, to me). I watched a little of the Bad Bunny performance, with emphasis on "little". I agree with Trump that some of the dancing was inappropriate for young children. Certainly the NFL should have done better to prevent that dancing since a lot of children would be watching. I also agree with Trump that the lyrics were not easily understood. That said, I sometimes don't understand the lyrics of white performers. Of course, that could be because of poor hearing on my part (though I passed a hearing test this past summer, amazingly enough). America is becoming more diverse by the day. And so, I realize there is a market out there for Hispanic, black and other non-white performers. I don't have a problem with that because I'm not alone in this world. There are others who are different from me. So, if they want to showcase performers different from me, I'm fine with that. You know, they criticized "Seinfeld" and "Friends" for not having main black characters. So what? The shows were funny and appealed to me. They did not appeal to non-whites. OK. Fine. The Price of Bel Air did not appeal to me and so I did not watch. So what? I'm glad it appealed to others. To each their own. Like I said, America is becoming more diverse by the day. Life is too short. I move on. By the way, I understand that Bad Bunny in the end said that love is more important than hate. Didn't Erica Kirk say the same thing? Who could disagree with that?
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A well thought-out post. Thanks for sharing.
 
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No one is paying any attention any more. Media has moved on to the Guthrie woman. The coverage on her is laughable. FOX, CNN, you name it, have pretty much nothing but non stop coverage of a case with not one iota more information today than was known on Day 1.

I am fairly certain Trump hasn't got anything to worry about with Epstein. The dems had the files for years and if there had been anything solid in them about Trump, they would have brought it out and prosecuted him and locked him up.

My opinion is, nothing major is going to come of this. There will probably be a few small fish thrown in jail, but the career politicians and big money names will walk away like they always do. Hilary Clinton was/is guilty without a doubt of mishandling secret documents. They did nothing to her at all. Hell, the Clintons have killed more people than cancer and no one has even looked at any of the cases. Obama has never had a job in his life and he has somehow managed to become very wealthy and no one has asked how. Bernie Sanders had a net worth lower than most 35 year olds when he ran for president in 2016. He has never had a job other than being an elected official and, somehow, he got rich enough to own three nice homes in the past 8 years.
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That applies to most presidemts our Republic has had.
 
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There was actually a dip in viewership at halftime. That's notable b/c there has always been spike in halftime viewership.

While the TPUSA halftime show was lightly viewed in comparison the SB halftime show, it was still over 6 million people who didn't watch the SB halftime show. Eyeballs matter. Even with the SB halftime show being the 4th most viewed ever with 128 million viewers, there is some cause for concern that they had a dip in viewership at halftime and lost 6 million viewers to the TPUSA show. And this is just the first kick at the door for an alternative.

Libs are doing victory laps because the SB halftime show had exceedingly far more viewers. Well, of course it did. It's the SB. Nobody was expecting or projecting that the TPUSA show would have more viewers. That's absurd. But it made a dent. A small dent, but a dent nonetheless.

While the NFL has no reason to worry about the position of the SB, you can be sure they are giving some attention to the TPUSA issue. They want EVERY eyeball they can get and now they know there were 6+ million people who watched something else.

48.6 million households tuned in for the SB. 26.5 million watched the halftime show.

The TPUSA halftime show was the most watched YT livestream ever (or second, depending on the data).

Again, it was never about "beating" SB halftime viewership. It was about making a cultural dent and getting people to turn off the halftime show. And it did that without any mainstream media push. Especially considering this was just the first iteration of a halftime show alternative, it was a rousing success.
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Here's an interesting video made by a Youtuber I used to follow. I unfollowed him simply because he can get his messages out in less than half the time, i.e., I have no patience to watch a 17 minute video when he can cover everything in 6. . But I think he makes some interesting points regarding SB halftime shows in general.

Turning Point USA: The WORST Super Bowl Halftime Show EVER

His main point is that TP's production values were terrible. It was prerecorded, and his opinion is that TP could have done a much better job editing it before they streamed it.

He does like the concept of alternative shows, stating that it "keeps the NFL on their toes." To be clear, he did not comment on the positives or negatives regarding the politics.

If I was even half the NFL afficianado many of you are, I would not be watching any halftime musical show. I would be watching a Youtuber livestreaming commentary on how the first half went.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
It's really alllllllllll marketing.

If Bad Bunny went by his real name, Benito Ocasio, and dressed normal, he'd be a nobody. There are clips of his performances online without background tracks and autotune taken out. He's an awful singer.

Taylor Swift is hailed as the greatest musician/performer in a generation. She gets showered with praise for her song writing ability. If you just sat down and read her lyrics online, you'd say their the dumbest thing you've ever read.

I supposed it's always been that way to some degree.

None of these people would make it past the preliminary round of any singing talent contest.
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Jazz pianist Dave Brubeck could not read sheet music. And his mother was a music teacher. You never really know.
 
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Jazz pianist Dave Brubeck could not read sheet music. And his mother was a music teacher. You never really know.
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The list of great musicians who could not read sheet music is endless. Small sample:
Paul McCartney
John Lennon
Irving Berlin
Duke Ellington (could read a little, composed entirely by ear)
Stevie Wonder
Eric Clapton
Jimi Hendrix
Ella Fitzgerald
 
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Jazz pianist Dave Brubeck could not read sheet music. And his mother was a music teacher. You never really know.
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But he obviously had musical ability, which is more than anyone can say for Bad Bunny.

It's not any grand revelation, I don't guess. Most modern "musicians" are not successful or popular b/c they are wonderfully musical. It's all about the packaging and the marketing.
 
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But he obviously had musical ability, which is more than anyone can say for Bad Bunny.

It's not any grand revelation, I don't guess. Most modern "musicians" are not successful or popular b/c they are wonderfully musical. It's all about the packaging and the marketing.
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Auto-tune is also widely overused.

Had a friend try to show me their son's YouTube videos. He wants to be a country artist. Saw the beginning of two videos. Stereotypical acoustic guitar cords, and a nasally auto-tune voice.

I wanted to ask what he really sounded like, but thought that would be too insulting.

I literally walked away not being able to tell if the guy was any good. Granted, the auto-tune covering him up gives the feeling hes not that good. Or he wouldnt need it.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
But he obviously had musical ability, which is more than anyone can say for Bad Bunny.

It's not any grand revelation, I don't guess. Most modern "musicians" are not successful or popular b/c they are wonderfully musical. It's all about the packaging and the marketing.
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I can't say anything positive or negative about Bad Bunny or any other contemporary musician, because I really don't follow them.
 
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The list of great musicians who could not read sheet music is endless. Small sample:
Paul McCartney
John Lennon
Irving Berlin
Duke Ellington (could read a little, composed entirely by ear)
Stevie Wonder
Eric Clapton
Jimi Hendrix
Ella Fitzgerald
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Since you included Stevie Wonder, you should probably add Ray Charles to that list. 😉
 
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Libs clammed up about how awesome the halftime show as soon as the viewership data and live feeds from the stadium came out.
 
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As many of you know, Trump and his cronies will be exposed by his OWN party in the coming weeks. One of his cronies will likely resign this week. He's being pushed to resign by both parties.

All of these pedifile protectors are going to be exposed. Our president is protecting the names, as is the FBI and DOJ. It's going to get ugly as they peel the onion.

I may have predicted the outcome of the usc basketball season incorrectly but I was 100% right on this one.
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“ The TDS In this one is very strong” Obi Wan Kenobi 2026.
 
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There was actually a dip in viewership at halftime. That's notable b/c there has always been spike in halftime viewership.

While the TPUSA halftime show was lightly viewed in comparison the SB halftime show, it was still over 6 million people who didn't watch the SB halftime show. Eyeballs matter. Even with the SB halftime show being the 4th most viewed ever with 128 million viewers, there is some cause for concern that they had a dip in viewership at halftime and lost 6 million viewers to the TPUSA show. And this is just the first kick at the door for an alternative.

Libs are doing victory laps because the SB halftime show had exceedingly far more viewers. Well, of course it did. It's the SB. Nobody was expecting or projecting that the TPUSA show would have more viewers. That's absurd. But it made a dent. A small dent, but a dent nonetheless.

While the NFL has no reason to worry about the position of the SB, you can be sure they are giving some attention to the TPUSA issue. They want EVERY eyeball they can get and now they know there were 6+ million people who watched something else.

48.6 million households tuned in for the SB. 26.5 million watched the halftime show.

The TPUSA halftime show was the most watched YT livestream ever (or second, depending on the data).

Again, it was never about "beating" SB halftime viewership. It was about making a cultural dent and getting people to turn off the halftime show. And it did that without any mainstream media push. Especially considering this was just the first iteration of a halftime show alternative, it was a rousing success.
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Bars didn’t bother changing channel, they were selling food and drinks. Number was skewed!!
 
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The NFL is so filthy rich amd the team owners are happy so Goodell is untouchable. He can name anybody he wants to do the halftime show.
 
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The NFL is so filthy rich and the team owners are happy so Goodell is untouchable. He can name anybody he wants to do the halftime show.
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Excellent examples of why the NFL is in the position to take such actions to grow their market. Whether or not any of us approve, disapprove, or are disinterested in these actions is irrelevant vis a vis the NFL.
 
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Excellent examples of why the NFL is in the position to take such actions to grow their market. Whether or not any of us approve, disapprove, or are disinterested in these actions is irrelevant vis a vis the NFL.
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Also an excellent example of why the NFL is in the position to take such actions for a political statement.
 
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