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Coopper2020

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Kceasthawk@77 said:
How exactly is OU in a "better conference" or did you mean to say easier? The B1G especially with the addition of the left coast schools is a meat grinder...I also question why "Norman is easier to recruit too". Why exactly.....
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I look at championships when I try to determine the best conferences because that’s the biggest bragging point

Oklahoma is in the SEC. The teams in the current SEC have 13 national championships & 13 runnerups
Championships
South Carolina in 2024, 2022 & 2017
LSU 2023
Texas A&M 2011
Tennessee 2008, 2007, 1998, 1997, 1996, 1991, 1989, & 1987
Texas 1986

2nd place (13)
South Carolina 2025
Mississippi State 2017 & 2018
Tennessee 2004, 2003, 2000, 1995 & 1984
Oklahoma 2002
Georgia 1996
Auburn 1988, 1989 &1990

Compare that to the current Big 10
National Championship (4)
Maryland 2006
Purdue 1999
USC 1983 & 1984

2nd place (7)
Iowa 2023 & 2024
Rutgers 2007
MSU 2005
Purdue 2001
Ohio State 1993
USC 1986

So the SEC has more championships then the Big10 has championships/runner ups combined

Why do I think OU/Norman is an easier place to recruit . Starts with the SEC.
According to google the Oklahoma metro area which includes Norman has a population of 1.4 million, it’s a 3 hour drive from the Dallas Fort Worth metro area.
It sounds like they have great NIL support. The rumor on the internet says the number one recruit the WBB team got last year came with a million dollar NIL price tag. I have no idea if that is true.
Gas & oil money is crazy
 
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Coopper2020 said:
I look at championships when I try to determine the best conferences because that’s the biggest bragging point

Oklahoma is in the SEC. The teams in the current SEC have 13 national championships & 13 runnerups
Championships
South Carolina in 2024, 2022 & 2017
LSU 2023
Texas A&M 2011
Tennessee 2008, 2007, 1998, 1997, 1996, 1991, 1989, & 1987
Texas 1986

2nd place (13)
South Carolina 2025
Mississippi State 2017 & 2018
Tennessee 2004, 2003, 2000, 1995 & 1984
Oklahoma 2002
Georgia 1996
Auburn 1988, 1989 &1990

Compare that to the current Big 10
National Championship (4)
Maryland 2006
Purdue 1999
USC 1983 & 1984

2nd place (7)
Iowa 2023 & 2024
Rutgers 2007
MSU 2005
Purdue 2001
Ohio State 1993
USC 1986

So the SEC has more championships then the Big10 has championships/runner ups combined

Why do I think OU/Norman is an easier place to recruit . Starts with the SEC.
According to google the Oklahoma metro area which includes Norman has a population of 1.4 million, it’s a 3 hour drive from the Dallas Fort Worth metro area.
It sounds like they have great NIL support. The rumor on the internet says the number one recruit the WBB team got last year came with a million dollar NIL price tag. I have no idea if that is true.
Gas & oil money is crazy
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You are not wrong about the money!
 
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Coopper2020 said:
I look at championships when I try to determine the best conferences because that’s the biggest bragging point

Oklahoma is in the SEC. The teams in the current SEC have 13 national championships & 13 runnerups
Championships
South Carolina in 2024, 2022 & 2017
LSU 2023
Texas A&M 2011
Tennessee 2008, 2007, 1998, 1997, 1996, 1991, 1989, & 1987
Texas 1986

2nd place (13)
South Carolina 2025
Mississippi State 2017 & 2018
Tennessee 2004, 2003, 2000, 1995 & 1984
Oklahoma 2002
Georgia 1996
Auburn 1988, 1989 &1990

Compare that to the current Big 10
National Championship (4)
Maryland 2006
Purdue 1999
USC 1983 & 1984

2nd place (7)
Iowa 2023 & 2024
Rutgers 2007
MSU 2005
Purdue 2001
Ohio State 1993
USC 1986

So the SEC has more championships then the Big10 has championships/runner ups combined

Why do I think OU/Norman is an easier place to recruit . Starts with the SEC.
According to google the Oklahoma metro area which includes Norman has a population of 1.4 million, it’s a 3 hour drive from the Dallas Fort Worth metro area.
It sounds like they have great NIL support. The rumor on the internet says the number one recruit the WBB team got last year came with a million dollar NIL price tag. I have no idea if that is true.
Gas & oil money is crazy
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I get the money part to to a degree, but its not like most the B1G schools are in the poor house. As to the best, its a moving target (just like football is now), and adding the west coast schools (and their recruiting footprint) will even the playing field.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
JennieB recruited the #1 player in the country last season.
So your argument is invalid regarding that.
My grandson played DM club basketball with JennieB's nephew last winter. They went to a game in Norman on their way to Dallas for a tournament. Her family absolutely said she would have listened.
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They got Chavez in large part because some of LSU's players told Mulkey they would not play with her. Didn't like her. Then OU outbid other schools for her. Also it isn't the same as back-to-back classes with McDonald's all-americans anyway.
 
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HawkFan10 said:
II disagree we are winning in spite of some really bad coaching.....Jan is an amazing assistant coach, but she is much of the nice coach and not getting on the girls at all...Jan atm still just isn't a good head coach right now and maybe never will be.....Iowa keeps winning in spite of her but then things get tough Jan has zero answers to turn it around.
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"...she is much of the nice coach and not getting on the girls at all."

Really?

You've been in the locker rooms at halftimes of all the games?
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
A HC is considered a CEO, and that's entirely different from an asst coach.

JJ was certainly a highly capable asst.
What we've seen so far is she's overwhelmed as the top dog.

I also am not sure if she trusts her current assts or is accepting any input from them?
It's unfortunate that a legitimate search was never conducted.
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Overwhelmed?
 
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onionman1 said:
No, you haven't already explained in detail why Jan is "overwhelmed", but I get it. That's a cool sounding word to toss out there.
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One last time...not using fouls at end of quarters when there's only 3 team fouls, poor usage of TOs, lineup combos when KF is dreadful (most of time), one game she runs Mallegni out there/next game runs Levin out there, doesn't appear she's accepting any input from assts, never "working the refs", and..oh well, you get an idea of just a few of the issues.
Great assts don't automatically make good HCs.
Excuse away!!!!
Your question leads me to believe you aren't watching the games.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
My feelings/opinions on this subject are well known.

I'm not repeating them for the 10th time.
JJ will be given ample time to succeed because along with hiring Ben, these are Beth's big hires.
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This is always one of the replies to these type questions. The other is no reply at all, so maybe that would have been a better direction for you to go.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
One last time...not using fouls at end of quarters when there's only 3 team fouls, poor usage of TOs, lineup combos when KF is dreadful (most of time), one game she runs Mallegni out there/next game runs Levin out there, doesn't appear she's accepting any input from assts, never "working the refs", and..oh well, you get an idea of just a few of the issues.
Great assts don't automatically make good HCs.
Excuse away!!!!
Your question leads me to believe you aren't watching the games.
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I suggest they are not all if any issues, but rather just an opinion, and one of your so called issues that you don't really know for sure what is going on with Jan and the team at times when you are only watching on tv.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
A HC is considered a CEO, and that's entirely different from an asst coach.

JJ was certainly a highly capable asst.
What we've seen so far is she's overwhelmed as the top dog.

I also am not sure if she trusts her current assts or is accepting any input from them?
It's unfortunate that a legitimate search was never conducted.
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HORSE. DEAD. WHIP. Do you go to the games?
 
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CEO argument? That would be questioning Jensen's hires, recruiting, culture, PR, and management.

And that's just nuts at this point.

We may not know how the new coaches are working out until they have been with the program for a few seasons, but losing Harmon, Davis, and Fitzgerald isn't easy. That said, she found some excellent coaches that bring some nice things. A little too early by a few seasons and recruiting cycles to question the staff hires.

Recruiting? We will know more after this next cycle with a number of roster spots to fill, but thus far she's bringing in some high caliber players. I thinking the early commit from Seubert is excellent, and they need to keep adding potential star players. No reason to believe they won't do that at this point. Obviously, Rodriguez ended up a major set-back, but nobody could have solidly predicted that situation. Hopefully they get *that* player in the next cycle.

PR. Can't really imagine a better advocate for the university and wbb program. Probably my opinion from watching her, and perception of her as a person, but Jensen does that stuff better than most.

Whatever. CEO as an argument against Jensen can only be a lot of assumptions. If you want to complain about substitutions or lineups, seems like there are opinions across the board with how that should go, given the roster cards dealt. Young team that has overperformed expectations, but struggling to perform to the same level they were at with a talent like Caitlin Clark. Who knew? It's not even the same playing field with that era. Not even close, really.
 
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NORTHSTAR said:
I suggest they are not all if any issues, but rather just an opinion, and one of your so called issues that you don't really know for sure what is going on with Jan and the team at times when you are only watching on tv.
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We saw it last year with the extended 5 game losing streak and this current losing streak has similarities.

Slow/minimal adjustments.
Tossing players that seldom play, like Mallegni and Levin, into the mix is curious.

Hell, throw Tok Tok girl on the end of the bench out there?
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
Was either contacted after Bluder retired?

Both with previous head coaching experience. Both Iowa natives.

At least reach out to determine possible interest.
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Abrahamson has been on the hot seat of at least she recently was. Her style has become too abrasive.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
JennieB recruited the #1 player in the country last season.
So your argument is invalid regarding that.
My grandson played DM club basketball with JennieB's nephew last winter. They went to a game in Norman on their way to Dallas for a tournament. Her family absolutely said she would have listened.
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Jennie has deep Iowa Hawkeye family ties- well beyond her personal love for the school. Wouldn’t shock me if deep down Iowa wasn’t her dream job. But I 100% understand why the timing and reason to elevate Jan happened.

FYI- OUs AD, Joe Castiglione, the guy who hired Jen, is set to retire in a year or two- already announced.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
I assume this post is directed at me, so I'm just going to point out the obvious...
1. Awareness of "fouls to give" at the end of quarters.
2. Headscratching lineup combinations.
3. Time out usage.
4. Working the officials, or lack thereof.
5. Too much loyalty to certain seniors.

These are the most noticeable to me.
A fan doesn't need to have coached college level sports to recognize things.
My last post today because I realize I'm not changing anyone's mind.😁
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You are the type fan who probably is never happy and guessing you haven’t liked Jan from the beginning. Maybe go root for someone else?
 
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Hawk48 said:
Because she grew up in DSM and graduated from Iowa in answer to your question.
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Plus her grandfather (or maybe it was her uncle) Dick McKeon, was one of the original “Town Hawks” in Iowa City. That was the term used for the local group of bigger money Iowa alums who started the Johnson County I-Club breakfasts and many other fund raising Iowa events.
 
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Frydaze said:
You are the type fan who probably is never happy and guessing you haven’t liked Jan from the beginning. Maybe go root for someone else?
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I had no problem with the hire and I understand why they went that route.

But in the season and a half, there are some obvious red flags that I see as an issue.
I'll always follow Iowa athletics.
Was a football season tix holder for 15 years until daughter's high school sports activities took priority.
Both graduated from Iowa.
So you can shove your opinion up your dumb azz.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
I had no problem with the hire and I understand why they went that route.

But in the season and a half, there are some obvious red flags that I see as an issue.
I'll always follow Iowa athletics.
Was a football season tix holder for 15 years until daughter's high school sports activities took priority.
Both graduated from Iowa.
So you can shove your opinion up your dumb azz.
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Iowa has been ranked most of the last two years- made the round of 32 last year in Jan’s first season and could potentially host first and second rounds this year in her 2nd year. So yes, your hand wringing already about Jan as coach looks stupid. In a few years if the program is a steady struggle then likely it’s time to hand wring then.
 
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Frydaze said:
Iowa has been ranked most of the last two years- made the round of 32 last year in Jan’s first season and could potentially host first and second rounds this year in her 2nd year. So yes, your hand wringing already about Jan as coach looks stupid. In a few years if the program is a steady struggle then likely it’s time to hand wring then.
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Getting past the first weekend appears to be setting a pretty low bar.

But great for you if that's what you see.
The advantage of hosting that first weekend is significant.
They've played themselves into a 4/5 right now and with Michigan on the upcoming schedule, the outlook might be less bright.
I'll be happy to admit I was wrong if they finish top 3 at conference.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
Getting past the first weekend appears to be setting a pretty low bar.

But great for you if that's what you see.
The advantage of hosting that first weekend is significant.
They've played themselves into a 4/5 right now and with Michigan on the upcoming schedule, the outlook might be less bright.
I'll be happy to admit I was wrong if they finish top 3 at conference.
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Really a need to be so miserable at this point already?
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
Calling it like I see it.

We're can revisit this at the end of March.
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You thinking a change should be happening then? If so, you’ll be disappointed. Out of curiosity, what’s your opinion of Kirk Ferentz? What was it of McCaffery?
 
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Frydaze said:
You thinking a change should be happening then? If so, you’ll be disappointed. Out of curiosity, what’s your opinion of Kirk Ferentz? What was it of McCaffery?
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Beth isn't firing JJ after two seasons.

I'm not suggesting it, but I see issues because she will not get anyone of Clark's stature.
Which makes all of the things I'm pointing out more relevant.
Again...let's discuss again in 3-4 weeks.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
Beth isn't firing JJ after two seasons.

I'm not suggesting it, but I see issues because she will not get anyone of Clark's stature.
Which makes all of the things I'm pointing out more relevant.
Again...let's discuss again in 3-4 weeks.
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Lets let her get a few recruiting classes and revisit.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
Beth isn't firing JJ after two seasons.

I'm not suggesting it, but I see issues because she will not get anyone of Clark's stature.
Which makes all of the things I'm pointing out more relevant.
Again...let's discuss again in 3-4 weeks.
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Discuss in 3 or 4 weeks why? Jen is in year 2 and they aren’t going to drop as far as it would take over the next few years to suggest a change. So stay unhappy for at least a few more years I guess.

Would love seeing what your standard has been for KF or what it was for Fran. I’m sure they’d show hypocrisy.
 
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Discuss in 3 or 4 weeks why? Jen is in year 2 and they aren’t going to drop as far as it would take over the next few years to suggest a change. So stay unhappy for at least a few more years I guess.

Would love seeing what your standard has been for KF or what it was for Fran. I’m sure they’d show hypocrisy.
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Your references are completely irrelevant.

KF took over a dumpster fire as HF's last two years saw massive exit of assts and recruiting dived.

Try again.
Or not, DGAF.
 
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I see a talented, hard working team that plays together with joy while representing the university and area with first class behavior. I give the coaching staff a lot of credit for fostering and maintaining that. Are they good enough to reach the final four or elite 8 or even the sweet 16? Maybe, maybe not. Time will tell. While I want the most success for the team, I will enjoy watching them and supporting them regardless. That may not be good enough for many on the forum and that’s ok. I’m happy with our team and coaches, although I’m not always celebrating the game results. 😎. I’m not ready to evaluate and make recommendations regarding coaches. Last I heard my input carries little weight so I will continue to enjoy what we are blessed to have. To each their own.
 
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FWIW, no one is making that much on the Iowa MEN'S basketball team this year. If that young lady really is getting $1.5MM, or anything close to it, there was never a chance that she was coming to Iowa...unless she didn't care about the financial side. God love the Hawks, but we are nowhere near the upper crust of the NIL providers.
 
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Anon1750875978 said:
And to all the defenders of JJ...what are you seeing that you like?
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I think overall she has done pretty well with a roster that has some serious flaws. The 2/3 spots are a real weakness. Hannah being a 5 in a fours body causes limitations on what can be done offensively.

You and I seem to view things from totally opposite perspectives. Jan is not without faults,She is not alone in that regard. You view things more from a critical of X’s and O’s and decision making viewpoint, I look at what viable options does she have when going against teams that are clearly more physically talented. When your top 3 players at the 2/3 spots are struggling shooting the ball I don’t see a lot of viable options when you look down the bench. Of course losing McCabe hurts and before the season began I was really hoping Emely would be a key contributor as we reached the stretch drive of the season.

I have no idea how Jan’s tenure will play out, I do still feel recruiting will be the key to her future either positive or negative. I think most of us agree we need to upgrade the perimeter. A couple of really solid additions in the portal would be a nice start.
 
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Clark was never coming to Iowa unless, if...ta-da, she grew up in Des Moines and was an Iowa fan. I don't think people quite realize the jump it took to pull these players from California, especially maybe Woliczko, who, as ranking goes trends close to where Clark was. Is she on Clark's level? C'mon, man. Nobody is. Getting Woliczko is huge for Iowa, and not sure everyone realizes the jump in recruiting that signals. Getting interest from the players that ultimately didn't commit--is still huge.

Believe it or not, Bluder didn't manage to get other 5star players to come play with Clark. That left Jensen with some really nice players, but Iowa does not have the horses to compete with some schools that do. And yet, they are freakin 18-5. Building a roster to seriously compete will take time.

Hiring Barrett to help bring Chit-Chat was a brilliant move. They don't get a Georgia girl to Iowa City without that. With Barrett's contacts they might be able to entice other southern players. Time will tell. Jensen was watching that point guard down in Atlanta recently. I love that she's trying to get the top players, and still taking the trips. Jensen appears to work pretty tirelessly.

Look at the player retention. Speaks for itself at this point. Maybe that starts to change with better players starting to come. Hard to say. The culture they have built, the one that keeps fans coming to the games, appears in tact. Lucy Olsen's glowing review with the media sure doesn't hurt. She had a great one year experience.

Jensen is way ahead of schedule with the success they have with the players they have. Not much to be negative about if you look at the roster realistically, and note the players being recruited. Maybe they can build it and keep the current philosophy in tact, maybe not. We'll see.

Meanwhile, Iowa has strung together some nice wins in the two year transition.

I see that TCU lost to Colorado yesterday. NCAAW is an adventure.
 
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