it's still early. (in the season? you're tenure? what are you talking about?)
Luckily, Jan says (post game) ......
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The only thing Jan is responsible for in the game is lack of preparation and not chewing *** more. You can’t always be the nice guy.
there was a lack of knowledge of defensive assignments and hustle. That’s on Jan.
also on Jan. Kylie f. She plays when someone on the other team gets hot for a few minutes. She’s had a few, very few moments.
you can’t score zero unless you are a game changing shot disrupter. She is not.
I said it last year. She would stunt our growth. I stand by that.
there was a lack of knowledge of defensive assignments and hustle. That’s on Jan.
also on Jan. Kylie f. She plays when someone on the other team gets hot for a few minutes. She’s had a few, very few moments.
you can’t score zero unless you are a game changing shot disrupter. She is not.
I said it last year. She would stunt our growth. I stand by that.
Minnesota shot 77% from 3. Do the math. Tonight, water didn't find it's level.
That said, she does need to right the ship. We don't need to extend this losing streak. Start a new, many, multi games winning streak.
That said, she does need to right the ship. We don't need to extend this losing streak. Start a new, many, multi games winning streak.
KF's turnover after the ball got tapped into the backcourt was brutal to watch. Almost lost it twice...then the third time, finally did.
That's a senior starter right there.
I'm sure Jada does a team video tomorrow and everything is swell.
We had a group watching and paused the game with 10 seconds left in the first quarter. Gopher ball. Iowa had 3 team fouls.
We did a group discussion on whether Jan had learned anything by fouling to prevent an easy shot since we always give up easy points in this scenario.
Minn dribbles down for a wide open 3. Huge coaching blunder to not foul.
We did a group discussion on whether Jan had learned anything by fouling to prevent an easy shot since we always give up easy points in this scenario.
Minn dribbles down for a wide open 3. Huge coaching blunder to not foul.
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The players are not responsible for their actions when they are playing?? Ever coach kids? Sometimes everything you say and do all week falls upon deaf ears. Just like a parent talking to their kid.
Bad game, no doubt. And the coach will publically take the blame…but the truth be known, more often than not, it’s on the players. The players know this, too.
Buck stops with the coach. She is the captain of this ship and if her directions are falling on deaf ears then changes need to be made. She doesn't need to be their good buddy. Players come and go. If this group isn't engaged enough then the coach may lose her job. Seniority be damned and get the best players on the floor. I suspect the starting lineup will not change and that IMHO is a mistake. You say the players know. If this is true KF knows she is playing like dog **** and has probably lost her starting role. Off the bench? Of course but she has played her way into reduced minutes.
That is pretty much how it works .. performance determines playing time….However, let’s please not blame this loss on one player. Minnesota probably deserves some credit fir a solid performance, too.,
Are you saying this coach is NOT putting her best players in the floor?? Really???
I am saying she is starting KF because of seniority. It sure isn't for how she has been playing as of late. Not blaming one player for the loss but she sure isn't contributing much the last 3 games in proportion to her minutes. Maybe Jan isn't a good head coach. Very good asst. but not head coach. She is in charge of all these players and if she is too stubborn to make changes and continues down this same path, this slump could continue and cost the program some serious cred. Fan bases can be fickle and this streak of sellouts and popularity could suffer.
Coaches who aren’t stubborn will soon find themselves sitting in the bleachers. Players go thru slumps.
You have to TRUST your coach. No coach makes the right decisions 100% of the time. When was the last college coach to win 90% of their games… much less all of them? At what point do players take responsibility fir their performance?
I once coached some HS freshman boys for a couple of years..I had a player who was pretty good but had a problem with “reaching in” on defense. Generally he’d have 2 fouls by the end of tge 1st Q. BTW, I’d sit him and he’d butch that the refs were picking on him. We would show him but ut was never his fault.
His parents questioned me about sitting him and I tried to explain but to no avail. So one game, he picked up his second foul and I took him out, and he told me he didn’t foul..I told the kid I would put him back in the game immediately..He fouled out before half time. His parents complained I didn’t sit him and protect him (from himself, I guess)…but I was trying to make a point. We had two more games that year… he never fouled out of either one..
His parents questioned me about sitting him and I tried to explain but to no avail. So one game, he picked up his second foul and I took him out, and he told me he didn’t foul..I told the kid I would put him back in the game immediately..He fouled out before half time. His parents complained I didn’t sit him and protect him (from himself, I guess)…but I was trying to make a point. We had two more games that year… he never fouled out of either one..
She was referring to the losing streak and how it's not a losing streak like last season where lost five in a row and were on the tournament bubble. Instead, it has dropped them from having a potentially special season (2 seed NCAAT) to trying to hang on to a host bid, which is about where people expected them to be.
The question was if there extra urgency on a three-game slide and basically her answer was yes, but it's not time to tear things down and panic.
Players are all responsible for their performance. Jan and staff are responsible for the team's performance. The KF discussion is worthy. She's been really, really bad in conference play and worse than that the last 3 games. I'm sure it isn't for lack of effort, but there is no aspect of her game besides free throw shooting that warrants close to the minutes that she's receiving. Her FG shooting was never a strength, but her EFG% is now a pitiful 32% which is worst on the team. Ball security used to be a strength, but her assist to turnover ratio has plummeted in recent weeks and is a ridiculously bad .14 over the past 3 games. Her rebound rate is also the worst on the team. All of this adds up to a conference PER of 4.6 which is only better than Layla's -3.2. Jan simply can't afford to give 30 minutes per game to a player with these numbers.
Jan also can't afford to give minutes to Layla with Journey on the bench. It's beyond ridiculous to insert her into the game when you have a player who has proven all season long that she's a far superior option. Don't care about established rotations or player development at this point. Layla needs to get better to get minutes. Play Journey as many minutes as you can at this point. She's easily the most effective freshman on the team.
Yah, you can't shoot 77% from three in pregame warmups. It was a combination of a lot of things, an all-time best shooting performance from Minnesota for one. Another was Iowa's inability to set screens and get more threes for Chit-Chat, easily Iowa's best 3-point shooter. And when you're down 20 late, you can't work it around for 25 seconds and then force a pass into the post. You need to shoot quickly, and you need to shoot lots of threes.
And then Iowa got some bad breaks late, like the horrible charge call on Heiden that could have been a 3-point play. The Minny player was WAY late getting there. It was an obvious blocking call. And how about Minny throwing in that three from the top of the circle at the end of the shot clock. It wasn't even a shot, as Lisa honestly said. It was just a desperation heave toward the basket, and it smashed off the glass and into the net. That's the kind of night it was.
This isn't the first time this exact scenario has played out.
Happened in the Miami game earlier in the season and another one that I can't pinpoint.
Situational awareness with JJ/staff is severely lacking.
I mentioned this 1st quarter thing last nite and "Legend 12" disputed my opinion saying you shouldn't foul in that moment.
I didn't have the patience to explain, in detail, to him because he's kind of a "JJ apologist".
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You can probably count on one hand the number of games KF has played well.
Hannah seems to have "righted the ship".
But the coaches....woof.
At this point, they've already fallen to a 4/5 seed.
A.few more bad losses and they're in danger on not hosting the first weekend.
The only thing missing from that play was the Benny Hill theme music.
Talk about a comedy of errors.
They don't have a bad loss.
You and I disagree on what a bad loss is then. Last night’s loss was a bad one, however.
USC has a bunch of talent. And they have a few “bad losses”…and remember, they don’t have JuJu…
I kind of respectfully disagree with both of you guys. I would classify last nights loss as a “tough loss”. Minnesota is a good team who will probably (or should be) a top 25 ranked team. A bad loss would be like losing to this years Indiana team.
Do you think we should foul with a few seconds on the clock, and fouls to give? I don't think it takes much of a basketball expert to answer that. Maybe Jan needs more help from assistants in these situations.
This is exactly right and one reason I think they will be better next year. KF and GabbyM get the same "defensive specialist" label but do nothing to help the team on the other end. As someone else said in another thread going almost 60 minutes and not scoring (KF) is really hard thing to do. I like KF in spurts because I think she brings some energy/effort that some others are lacking, but playing 30+ minutes a game and not scoring (driving, drawing fouls, rebounding, making 3's, etc) and really NOT locking anyone down is a net negative........
I also noticed Ava tried to mimic the "Hannah flop" a couple of times where they go up and get bumped then throw the ball at the rim or just lose it completely - that's a bad habit to get into. I hope they aren't taught that.........
It’s phuquin’ UMinnesota! Any loss to those Gophers bastards in anything, including “tiddlywinks” is a BAD loss!
I thought that was understood.
I don't have to try again. USC on the road is a quad 1 loss. You try again.
I guess I am missing the correlation here?
So she should sit KF to teach her or just keep the same plan? Your story seems to contradict your earlier stance that everything is fine and will work itself out.
Our defense has regressed a lot since the beginning of the year. We constantly get beat on the dribble drive. Jan has completely gone away from the match up zone that Lisa used so effectively. Our offense is entirely focused on the low post. our timing there is often bad. We are either late with the entry pass or when it’s not there we hold the ball and wait instead of reversing the ball…..while very seldom setting off ball screens to facilitate ball movement. WAY TOO MUCH STANDING AND WATCHING. Jan has always been a great low post coach but an effective offense is much more than that.
You have to trust the coach to work itself out their way. If you can’t, then you need to fire the coach and find one who can. KF plays football the way he feels is best for Iowa to win games. He has been consistent during his tenure. You have to trust Jan the same way. She is coaching D-1 basketball and not running a popularity contest with the fan base.
Watch what the defense does when KF has the ball in the front court...everyone backs off to double the closest Iowa player, eliminating certain passes.
Every shot she took last nite was uncontested. No one worries about KF being a scoring threat.
A HC can't play that player in those situations.
You just can't justify having her play 30+ minutes.
You can't!
What stood out for me last night was terrible defense and no serious attempt at offensive rebounding until late in the game.
Here are some stats that confirm what I saw -
National D 1 Team Stat Rankings
IOWA
FG% 9th 48.7%
Opponent's FG% 211th 40%
3P FG% 22nd 36.1% [CC has the 3rd best 3P FG% in the country]
Opponent's 3P FG% 311th 32.9%
Defensive Rebounds 21st 29/game
Offensive Rebounds 198th 11.6/game
Although our defense is generally poor, we simply don't defend the 3P shot. We have no right to minimize last night's disaster by claiming MN just got hot. We stink at defending the 3.
Here are some stats that confirm what I saw -
National D 1 Team Stat Rankings
IOWA
FG% 9th 48.7%
Opponent's FG% 211th 40%
3P FG% 22nd 36.1% [CC has the 3rd best 3P FG% in the country]
Opponent's 3P FG% 311th 32.9%
Defensive Rebounds 21st 29/game
Offensive Rebounds 198th 11.6/game
Although our defense is generally poor, we simply don't defend the 3P shot. We have no right to minimize last night's disaster by claiming MN just got hot. We stink at defending the 3.
I'd take gabby every day of the week over Kylie. Jans decision to play her pretty much the whole game really questions her knowledge of who to play
60 minutes, 0pts.........the eyes don't lie........