We’re really close to being the best of the rest and that would be top shelf with many programs, like, MSU, for instance…
POLL: Should this season be Tom Brands last as HC at Iowa?
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Deflecting What? Im being serious. Deflecting that our wrestling team is as bad as we have seen it in years?? Enlighten me. "you got this"
That was for MSU.
You can't be serious. I don't think you realize just how good they both were in their prime. They weren't slog around beat you up and win on conditioning in the third period guys. They had incredibly versatile attacks to go along with great strength, conditioning and toughness. You don't win multiple world and Olympic championships (combined) without being elite talents.
My biggest frustration is how little our teams reflect this any more. What we saw from 08-2010 is really what I thought the long term identity of the program would be and for whatever reason(s) it has just slipped away.
Even the other night against Nebraska no one aside from 133, 149, and 165 showed the style that should be defining the entire team.
I watched them plenty and they were great. I just happen to be of the opinion that guys from 30 years ago dropped into pretty much any sport would not be nearly as effective as the current guys. Sports change quickly. Wrestling today barely resembles the wrestling I watched in the 80s and 90s. I do think if they were exposed to all of the current training methods,nutritional knowledge, and skills that these guys have now they would have had similar success. Athletes at the highest level are faster,stronger, and more skilled than ever imo. I also don't think Babe Ruth would hit as many home runs as other full teams so there is that. I respect your opinion I just simply disagree.
Nebraska seems like the obvious choice if Manning retires any time soon and they are willing to invest in the RTC side of it.
I think most of this boils down to the type of athlete that’s getting recruited. The more athletic kids they get do just fine. I think they do fine to a certain level with those guys but they just don’t get over the hump. Marinelli for example. They just lagged to far behind in the recruiting curve.
Agree about Michigan. They don’t have our tradition, but they have a big head start on the RTC, which is important to him, and have enough money that they could make it impossible to steal him away.
JB would be a great choice for them, too. I'm not really "worried" about it.
I still think the answer is no, but if we don’t have 2 new assistant coaches next year then my answer will be yes.
What exactly do you think will change with new assistants? Do you think Tom is the kind of person that will allow someone else tell him how to “run his program?” You do know his staff is composed of his twin and people that do exactly as he wants.
This. This alone separates PSU from Iowa in the room. Our guys wrestle scared to give up points. PSU wrestles knowing there is always enough time to score more. Recruiting aside, of course. I hate what PSU has become, but I think I’d almost rather tune in to watch them on TV than Iowa. And that’s painful. I had almost every Iowa dual and IAHSAA state finals broadcast on VHS growing up.
Unbelievable that 41% think this shouldn't be the last year?
What makes that 41% think that we won't be watching the same sh*t in 2027, 2028, 2029?
ITS OVER
The 191 people who've voted "No" need to detail exactly how TnT are going to lead Iowa to a wrestling championship in the next 4 years (maximum).
Okay so that probably leaves what 10?
We got what we earned
This is a common misconception about what the “old style” was. You break people by scoring points. The old Iowa wrestlers knew how to attack and finish within the context of the sport at that time. Scrambling changed the game and TNT refused to change with it. Mesenbrink can attack mercilessly like an “old school” Iowa wrestler because he has no fear of being out-scrambled because he knows how to scramble himself!
PSU guys see scrambles as opportunities to score huge points. Iowa views them as dangerous situations to be avoided. That is reflected in the product on the mat.
Soldier salute
I can generally agree with this. But plenty of guys who aren't funky scramblers still win titles (at least that's what my memory tells me). And well above 83% of current wrestlers are not elite scramblers. Finally, I consider aggressive chain wrestling, regardless of funkiness, to be scrambling. TnT might not dominate everbody today and win 4 titles, but I stand by my belief they would piss pound most of the competition today. But alas, we don't even have 'TnT type scramblers' on the team. And this is a totally separate question from whether they should remain our coaches.
Scrambling is a big part of it but I don't think you can overlook strength and conditioning. Messenbrink also knows he's stronger and in better shape than everyone else so he's not afraid to be in about any position or risk getting behind early. We used to have guys like that. That used to be the strength of our program. Not anymore.
I remember when Nelson was wrestling in high school. I didn't see any matches but read on HR how he lacked technique but was relentless. Then he came here.... Tony Nelson 2.0 that's on Starr, imo. And tnt. The writing was on the wall.
I feel bad for Ayala, he needed someone to wrestle with. The night they let superman make him look bad told me the coaches no longer had the mental capacity to lead. Superman should of been able to heal but, I suspect, was talked out of it. It seems to have been detrimental to his post college career.
After Bassett left I said Angelo would go to Nebraska. I suspect DeLuca is going to decomit.
Buying mercs just causes room problems with unspoken resent.
Better get Nolf.
Having witnessed the rise and fall of Brands and Company, it's time. Now is the time they step away from the program. Their strengths as coaches no longer can compensate for their deficiencies. Great, loyal, hard working guys who are no longer are a NET PLUS for the program.
Brands and Company are fully entrenched. The next coach doesn't need to the Final Answer, rather a necessary solution to end the current slow death that is Brands and Company.
Do they still come on this site for validation? Hard to believe with all the success they've had.
Looks like it's settling to about 60% YES and 40% NO. I'm guessing about 10% of the NO is coming from Lion fans. Just a handful of them for YES.
Am I the only one who sees one of this team's biggest issues is between their ears? Listen to Drake's interview last night. 141 and 157 are head cases so far. For some reason Gabe, Angelo, and Ben refuse to be offensive against good competition. It isn't an ability issue and Tom is right, we do have the right guys (at most weights when we wrestle starters) in the room. Tom is not reaching these guys mentally if they aren't wired already like he and Terry were/are. Who is the team psychologist?! That is the part of the current staff that is failing as much as anyone right now imo. All the technique in the world won't help you if you have a mental block to not shoot. All 6 losses last night had zero takedowns. Awful tough to win matches that way.