For Season Tocket Holders last night gave some hope

goru7

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There will be the negative attacks on this thread saying it doesn’t matter , team is 9-12 and 2-8 and going no where. But what I saw last night and what has flashed recently second half Wisconsin , at Iowa , is this team is actually getting better ..That is something a Pike team has not done in recent years.
The first half last night was about a perfect a half as any team can play and it was done against the #1 ranked defense in Kenpom in MSU. The ball was moving , we were screening hard, cutting hard , getting everyone involved , played great defense and team defense , ton of deflections , ton of steals , disrupted their big guys into misses and turnovers ; we on the other hand with only 1 turnover to their 10 . But for a Coen Carr 3 to cut our 15 point lead to 35-23 , we looked like a decent basketball team despite having no center .

First time all year we had 5 guys in double figures , which is normally a winning recipe. The offensive attack and aggressiveness of Buchanan , Zrno, Grant , JMike and Francis is something to duplicate the rest of the year. Taking 3’s without hestitation , on the extra pass, on the proper and good screen , in rhythm , something that must be a critical part of the offense going forward . Zrno and Francis with 16 and 23 so 39 points off the bench with almost all good shots except one forced 3 by Zrno . To the Zrno haters , PSAL especially , last night should have showed you why he is impirtant to our team and needs to be set up with the screens we saw last night in the first half , and tried a number of times in the second half but MSU overplayed it tight . That should open up the lane for the guards or Buchanan to exploit going forward .Hopefully Pike sees that Buchanan and Grant can coexist together . That JMike and Francis can only play together when JMike is attacking and scoring. We have had too many 0 scoring nights from JMike but hopefully that is over. . Not having a center to get us a bucket when we need it or step out and hit a three really hurts and something almost every team in the country has, and we are missing , but we played well without one., except the failure to team rebound killed us. Still very hopeful signs.

I , unlike Pike , stand on the side of fouling up 3 . I do not care there was 17 seconds left. I would have traded foul for foul because MSU was not making 3’s and were just shooting 2’s . Pike could have calked a timeout to set up the defense after Davis made the foul shot to go up 3, and instruct his guys to stay with heir man. really wish Pike would have 2 timeouts left last minutes as he wastes them in game a lot. Press or no press is a judgment call but worse case scenario Fears goes coast to coast and hits a layup to cut it to 1 with 12 seconds left. Then they foul and we go up 2 or 3 and they only have 10 seconds left and we foul again. That is the way I would have played it out the way because we had the lead all game

Last point is sometimes you have to get lucky and MSU did. With just under 4 minutes to go up 65-57 there was a tie up but only 8 on the shot clock . There was a timeout and we played tight defense and MSU was heading to a shot clock violation and Carr threw up a prayer with 1 on the shot clock to cut it to 5 with 3:51 to go. Shot clock violation there , we are up 8 with the ball. Absolutely crucial play of the game. Then we stopped guarding Fears , as the guards were gassed .
Overall the team is getting better and for this season ticket holder , Hope and better play is occurring.
 

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So our coach completely blows the game with awful decision making costing us the game. I feel terrible for the guys because they played there a$$ off, and their coach threw it away.

So what should we be happy with? Playing better or played better for 25 mins?

If this was pre NIL then I could maybe understand being excited about last night. It’s not, and half of the team will not be here next year. So Pike will have to figure it out again next year in 21 games???

im sorry Pike must go!
 

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Fears signs have fouled out when he shoved Buchanan to get a lot back that I think tied the game. But for that terrible no cash we win. But for Francis missing a bunny at the end we win. They're were multiple paths to victory. We just couldn't find one.

But it was a hell of a game that showed promise
 

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Nice recap; but your following sentence is the real failure -- and until we find a Center this team or the next team won't win in this conference.
Not having a center to get us a bucket when we need it or step out and hit a three really hurts and something almost every team in the country has, and we are missing
 

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So our coach completely blows the game with awful decision making costing us the game. I feel terrible for the guys because they played there a$$ off, and their coach threw it away.

So what should we be happy with? Playing better or played better for 25 mins?

If this was pre NIL then I could maybe understand being excited about last night. It’s not, and half of the team will not be here next year. So Pike will have to figure it out again next year in 21 games???

im sorry Pike must go!
Listen your rant about Pije is old and repetitive. You cannot even cite facts correctly. It was 36 plus minutes of dominance over the #7 team in the country . You are disgusting downplaying that . Not sure if you are a season ticket owner but the point of the thread was the team is actually getting better and it gives some hope not the misery you only see. At Wisconsin , at Iowa , and last night almost a complete game performance with 5 guys in double figures . Stop being a repetitive blowhard.
 

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Hopefully they continue to play with that kind of effort. I think it’s hard when you’re losing. Look at the Indiana effort. At least he hasn’t lost the team. Shots fell for a lot of the game, then they didn’t. It’s hard to expect success when the front court is so limited, and they don’t share the ball. But I agree they gave us some hope
 
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Everyone is upset about a game we played well in and lost unfortunately. Most thought we would get killed.

We competed but could not make a FT when needed. This team is definitely easier to root for than last years team.

The team is getting better and hopefully most of the better players return. Just need to pay for a center and we have something.

Go RU....
 

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I , unlike Pike , stand on the side of fouling up 3 . I do not care there was 17 seconds left. I would have traded foul for foul because MSU was not making 3’s and were just shooting 2’s . Pike could have calked a timeout to set up the defense after Davis made the foul shot to go up 3, and instruct his guys to stay with heir man. really wish Pike would have 2 timeouts left last minutes as he wastes them in game a lot. Press or no press is a judgment call but worse case scenario Fears goes coast to coast and hits a layup to cut it to 1 with 12 seconds left. Then they foul and we go up 2 or 3 and they only have 10 seconds left and we foul again. That is the way I would have played it out the way because we had the lead all game

You should, this is why coaches coach and fans post.

Foul shots are converted at a much higher percentage than field goals (excluding hack-a-shaq worthy shooters, who would not likely posses the ball at that point in the game). 17 seconds is an eternity if you intentionally foul to avoid a 3 pointer. Coaches that choose to foul will often foul with < 5 seconds so it’s a more decisive move, not a game prolonging move. You’re giving the other team life allowing points with the clock stopped while the probability of additional possessions is high, and therefore additional pathways to win. If you could poll the coaching ranks you wouldn’t find much agreement with your position here. Good post otherwise.
 
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Listen your rant about Pije is old and repetitive. You cannot even cite facts correctly. It was 36 plus minutes of dominance over the #7 team in the country . You are disgusting downplaying that . Not sure if you are a season ticket owner but the point of the thread was the team is actually getting better and it gives some hope not the misery you only see. At Wisconsin , at Iowa , and last night almost a complete game performance with 5 guys in double figures . Stop being a repetitive blowhard.
Good try but RUDivision (troll) has been blowtorched by half the board to no avail. Continues to spew nothing but abject negativity.
 
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Bottom line is a coaching change is badly needed, but due to his buyout, it appears that we're locked in w/Pike for at least another year
 
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Everyone is upset about a game we played well in and lost unfortunately. Most thought we would get killed.

We competed but could not make a FT when needed. This team is definitely easier to root for than last years team.

The team is getting better and hopefully most of the better players return. Just need to pay for a center and we have something.

Go RU....
Until the next Indiana like performance. The kids got up to play msu. Let’s see how the road trip goes before declaring how good this team might be next year under Pike
 

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Listen your rant about Pije is old and repetitive. You cannot even cite facts correctly. It was 36 plus minutes of dominance over the #7 team in the country . You are disgusting downplaying that . Not sure if you are a season ticket owner but the point of the thread was the team is actually getting better and it gives some hope not the misery you only see. At Wisconsin , at Iowa , and last night almost a complete game performance with 5 guys in double figures . Stop being a repetitive blowhard.
Getting outscored by 18 in the last 25 mins is not 36 mins of dominance. Didn’t Indiana just happen. You cherry pick games to give examples of hope. The common denominator are the “Ls”. It’s year ten, enough with the moral victories and saying how good Pike will be when he somehow retains everyone, gets a center and spends all the NIL he does get correctly.
 

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Yeah, Tariq had to knife through two trees with a double pump just to get to the rim. Still don't know how it didn't drop though. Well, actually I do: Rutgers.
He actually didn’t get to the rim, he got TO the two trees and lofted it over them in hope. Not a high percentage shot. The majority of our offense is low percentage shots and mid range. They can’t all go in, last night we were lucky a lot did. Now if you look at MSUs shot chart those are layups.
 

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Until the next Indiana like performance. The kids got up to play msu. Let’s see how the road trip goes before declaring how good this team might be next year under Pike
For the record Penn State which is the consensus worst team in the league lost to Michigan State 76-72 and Michigan 74-72. Just something to consider. Every dog has its day where they elevate their game and play over their heads while their opponents sleepwalk through the first half. Im not taking much from last night except it was a heartbreaking loss where Rutgers deserved the win but the better team woke up at the right time and flexed their muscles.
 

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For the record Penn State which is the consensus worst team in the league lost to Michigan State 76-72 and Michigan 74-72. Just something to consider. Every dog has its day where they elevate their game and play over their heads while their opponents sleepwalk through the first half. Im not taking much from last night except it was a heartbreaking loss where Rutgers deserved the win but the better team woke up at the right time and flexed their muscles.
You mean last night didn’t convince you how good Pike was, and what a great coach he is with lesser talent, and that next year when he gets NIL we’ll be winners again?!
 

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You mean last night didn’t convince you how good Pike was, and what a great coach he is with lesser talent, and that next year when he gets NIL we’ll be winners again?!
The reactions in here game to game is like a goldfish memory resets every 10 seconds

Close loss yes, heartbreaking yes, good effort yes

talent gap yes, poor end game coaching yes

if you finish 12-19 nobody will remember or care about that nail biter against Michigan state

I stand by what I said a few weeks ago this team needs WINS and GROWTH to justify keeping pikes job

if we lost every game the rest of the season in this exact fashion you’d still have to get rid of pike
 

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If your takeaway from last night is that Pike is a terrible coach, maybe just take a break from watching the games for a while. The only decision I disagree with was keeping Dortch on the sidelines the last few minutes, as I personally think if Grant isn’t being used as an option on offense, Dortch should’ve been in for defense and rebounding (and definitely should’ve been subbed in during JMikes free throws). The team was motivated and executed great against a team that was a terrible matchup on paper - that’s good coaching. The reality is 4-5 plays going the other way in the last few minutes…if any of them flipped, it’s a Rutgers win:

1. No charge call on Carr I believe who threw his shoulder into Buchanan on a drive
2. No push off call on Fears who then got his rebound and scored.
3. Either of JMike’s missed free throwa
4. Francis’ last shot goes in, which honestly felt like 90% it was going in and didn’t

The coach put the players in a position to win, end of story
 

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You mean last night didn’t convince you how good Pike was, and what a great coach he is with lesser talent, and that next year when he gets NIL we’ll be winners again?!
I think fans get too caught up trying to extrapolate positives making them best case scenarios. In reality even Eddie Jordan team beat #2 Wisconsin. Fred Hiill beat top 10 Georgetown and had a two game run of taking down Pitt/Nova. RU was only in the game because Zrno hit on a bunch of 3s at the right time and RU can be quite effective when shots are going down because Francis can also get on a heater. Add in Buchanan contributing and all of a suddent RU humming. Reality is that Zrno who 85% of the board buried is a decent role player for a team and yet for every good game will have 3 no shows. Rutgers had 5 players in double figures but unfortunately they were the only players scoring. Coincidentally those 5 players may be really the only ones worth bringing back that you can see being contributors. Powers who everyone was annointing was overmatched and it was stupid by Pike to start him in the 2nd half let alone the first. Mark strugged mightily but he will have better games and there is some potential there. I just dont see it with Dortsch and Nwuli. They are black holes on offense. Neither can start next year and if you bring one back its as a role player defensive guy. You arent making the NCAA if you are relying on those 2. EO was a disaster last night. There are better matchups for him in the league but he should not be playing more than 10 minutes a game. The lack of any offensive system relying on alot of luck and shooters getting on heaters is alarming. You saw that play out in the final 5 minutes. Physically the team was gassed at the end, they put an enormous effort on D and that is a lot of credit to Pike. That really isnt sustainable over the course of the season in the new world of analytic hoops.

We know as a fact that Pike teams are incredibly slow starters to the season. You can chalk one wtf loss up right away to a crap northeast team. Yjen going to Vegas I dont know if there are 3 games or 4 next year but RU will likely be one of the worst teams again in the field. Next year its likely Pike brings a team that will be overmatched in talent again and if they are relying on the guys from this season its not going to work out. Plus Francis will almost certainly be offered a huge bag by someone. RU is currently 163 in the NET, the worst power 5 school. There are schools licking their chops that they can use him on their team. Lose Francis and its a complete shitshow
 

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If your takeaway from last night is that Pike is a terrible coach, maybe just take a break from watching the games for a while. The only decision I disagree with was keeping Dortch on the sidelines the last few minutes, as I personally think if Grant isn’t being used as an option on offense, Dortch should’ve been in for defense and rebounding (and definitely should’ve been subbed in during JMikes free throws). The team was motivated and executed great against a team that was a terrible matchup on paper - that’s good coaching. The reality is 4-5 plays going the other way in the last few minutes…if any of them flipped, it’s a Rutgers win:

1. No charge call on Carr I believe who threw his shoulder into Buchanan on a drive
2. No push off call on Fears who then got his rebound and scored.
3. Either of JMike’s missed free throwa
4. Francis’ last shot goes in, which honestly felt like 90% it was going in and didn’t

The coach put the players in a position to win, end of story
Foul up 3 and don’t give up the open three to tie. As a season ticket holder I’ll keep watching and going if I like. I just expect better. Please stop crying about the refs and don’t get outrebounded 40-20. Francis, as good as he’s been in iso, no way makes that last shot at a 90% clip. Lofting it against two trees is a low percentage shots. Pike and his team got outscored by 18 over the last 25 mins. If that’s good coaching to you I feel sorry for you.
 
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If your takeaway from last night is that Pike is a terrible coach, maybe just take a break from watching the games for a while. The only decision I disagree with was keeping Dortch on the sidelines the last few minutes, as I personally think if Grant isn’t being used as an option on offense, Dortch should’ve been in for defense and rebounding (and definitely should’ve been subbed in during JMikes free throws). The team was motivated and executed great against a team that was a terrible matchup on paper - that’s good coaching. The reality is 4-5 plays going the other way in the last few minutes…if any of them flipped, it’s a Rutgers win:

1. No charge call on Carr I believe who threw his shoulder into Buchanan on a drive
2. No push off call on Fears who then got his rebound and scored.
3. Either of JMike’s missed free throwa
4. Francis’ last shot goes in, which honestly felt like 90% it was going in and didn’t

The coach put the players in a position to win, end of story
4-5 plays is all well and good and we appreciate the effort and see signs here

but let me equate your argument to another sport … the giants went 1-7 in one score games, the browns went 1-6, the raiders went 1-5… they all fired their coach

one score games come down to 1-4 plays that make the difference and if the ball bounces the other way and they finish with 1 loss instead on 1 win in those games they’d still have a job

my point is sports come down to the margins and if you’re on the wrong side of the margins enough times right or wrong it means something
 

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Listen your rant about Pije is old and repetitive. You cannot even cite facts correctly. It was 36 plus minutes of dominance over the #7 team in the country . You are disgusting downplaying that . Not sure if you are a season ticket owner but the point of the thread was the team is actually getting better and it gives some hope not the misery you only see. At Wisconsin , at Iowa , and last night almost a complete game performance with 5 guys in double figures . Stop being a repetitive blowhard.
Thank you! But no doubt Pike is done will be typed by him a ton more times.
 
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You should, this is why coaches coach and fans post.

Foul shots are converted at a much higher percentage than field goals (excluding hack-a-shaq worthy shooters, who would not likely posses the ball at that point in the game). 17 seconds is an eternity if you intentionally foul to avoid a 3 pointer. Coaches that choose to foul will often foul with < 5 seconds so it’s a more decisive move, not a game prolonging move. You’re giving the other team life allowing points with the clock stopped while the probability of additional possessions is high, and therefore additional pathways to win. If you could poll the coaching ranks you wouldn’t find much agreement here. Good post otherwise.
Normally I would think 17 seconds is too long to foul but not specific to yesterday ‘s game . After watching replay , Pike definitely should have called a timeout to set up press and take time off the clock and double Fears and let someone else bring up the ball. Then foul. Fears was a lights out foul shooter but everyone else not so much. Your sssuming MSU makes their foul shots. With the press more time goes off the clock . Allowing Fears to catch with no one in the backcourt at all with a head of steam was the worst decision. There is a variance of opinions but then the particular game has to be looked at. We were shooting 2 every time and despite Davis missing , Davis and Francis shooting foul shots against the rest of MSU , I would take my chances. But you cannot allow Fears upcourt unguarded on the run.
 
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I think fans get too caught up trying to extrapolate positives making them best case scenarios. In reality even Eddie Jordan team beat #2 Wisconsin. Fred Hiill beat top 10 Georgetown and had a two game run of taking down Pitt/Nova. RU was only in the game because Zrno hit on a bunch of 3s at the right time and RU can be quite effective when shots are going down because Francis can also get on a heater. Add in Buchanan contributing and all of a suddent RU humming. Reality is that Zrno who 85% of the board buried is a decent role player for a team and yet for every good game will have 3 no shows. Rutgers had 5 players in double figures but unfortunately they were the only players scoring. Coincidentally those 5 players may be really the only ones worth bringing back that you can see being contributors. Powers who everyone was annointing was overmatched and it was stupid by Pike to start him in the 2nd half let alone the first. Mark strugged mightily but he will have better games and there is some potential there. I just dont see it with Dortsch and Nwuli. They are black holes on offense. Neither can start next year and if you bring one back its as a role player defensive guy. You arent making the NCAA if you are relying on those 2. EO was a disaster last night. There are better matchups for him in the league but he should not be playing more than 10 minutes a game. The lack of any offensive system relying on alot of luck and shooters getting on heaters is alarming. You saw that play out in the final 5 minutes. Physically the team was gassed at the end, they put an enormous effort on D and that is a lot of credit to Pike. That really isnt sustainable over the course of the season in the new world of analytic hoops.

We know as a fact that Pike teams are incredibly slow starters to the season. You can chalk one wtf loss up right away to a crap northeast team. Yjen going to Vegas I dont know if there are 3 games or 4 next year but RU will likely be one of the worst teams again in the field. Next year its likely Pike brings a team that will be overmatched in talent again and if they are relying on the guys from this season its not going to work out. Plus Francis will almost certainly be offered a huge bag by someone. RU is currently 163 in the NET, the worst power 5 school. There are schools licking their chops that they can use him on their team. Lose Francis and its a complete shitshow
People want Knight gone .. lose Knight lose Francis. Oh and let it be said again how many people **** on Francis from the time he signed to as recently as a few weeks ago.
 

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At least last night was an exciting game and the team played hard.

Aside from that, we're three seasons and counting beyond moral victories.
 

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Getting outscored by 18 in the last 25 mins is not 36 mins of dominance. Didn’t Indiana just happen. You cherry pick games to give examples of hope. The common denominator are the “Ls”. It’s year ten, enough with the moral victories and saying how good Pike will be when he somehow retains everyone, gets a center and spends all the NIL he does get correctly.
You once again are another negative guy that doesn’t read the posts or who is posting. I never said it was a moral victory. I never said Pike needs to be retained except I have a brain and realize we cannot afford a 25 million buyout. I just said for season ticket holders that dish out the cash, the seat licenses and actually go to the games , last night along with Wisconsin and Iowa give you some hope and it has become clear the team is getting better . Something that hasn’t happened the last 2 years. I didn’t cherry pick anything. I looked at the last 4 games , 2 on the road , and found signs of getting better. Indiana was a total no show by coaches and players but the other 3 were the team and coaches showing up and improving.
Any Michigan State fan , player , journalist can readily admit on their podcasts and articles that they were outplayed for 36 minutes but a jerk like you tries to say that never happened. . Rutgers didn’t hold the lead the entire game until it got tied with 11 seconds , it was a figment of everybody ‘s else’s imagination except you. You can criticize the post but be factual
 

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At least last night was an exciting game and the team played hard.

Aside from that, we're three seasons and counting beyond moral victories.
exactly...it was entertaining and enjoyable and its easier to find it that way if you tune the expectations down so low. Most years I would be distraught over a loss like last night but now it just rolls off my shoulders
 
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You once again are another negative guy that doesn’t read the posts or who is posting. I never said it was a moral victory. I never said Pike needs to be retained except I have a brain and realize we cannot afford a 25 million buyout. I just said for season ticket holders that dish out the cash, the seat licenses and actually go to the games , last night along with Wisconsin and Iowa give you some hope and it has become clear the team is getting better . Something that hasn’t happened the last 2 years. I didn’t cherry pick anything. I looked at the last 4 games , 2 on the road , and found signs of getting better. Indiana was a total no show by coaches and players but the other 3 were the team and coaches showing up and improving.
Any Michigan State fan , player , journalist can readily admit on their podcasts and articles that they were outplayed for 36 minutes but a jerk like you tries to say that never happened. . Rutgers didn’t hold the lead the entire game until it got tied with 11 seconds , it was a figment of everybody ‘s else’s imagination except you. You can criticize the post but be factual
Assuming we get a new coach I wonder if Divison and Check go at least one full season before jumping all over the new coach with constant negatives.
 
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Yeah, Tariq had to knife through two trees with a double pump just to get to the rim. Still don't know how it didn't drop though. Well, actually I do: Rutgers.
He didn’t have to knife thru anyone . He juked his man had a free lane and to my suprise he didn’t just pull up and hit his 2 point mid range shot which is usually good but went to the floater. The tree came late after the shot was released and had very little to do with it. He chose the floater instead of the pull up.
 

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You once again are another negative guy that doesn’t read the posts or who is posting. I never said it was a moral victory. I never said Pike needs to be retained except I have a brain and realize we cannot afford a 25 million buyout. I just said for season ticket holders that dish out the cash, the seat licenses and actually go to the games , last night along with Wisconsin and Iowa give you some hope and it has become clear the team is getting better . Something that hasn’t happened the last 2 years. I didn’t cherry pick anything. I looked at the last 4 games , 2 on the road , and found signs of getting better. Indiana was a total no show by coaches and players but the other 3 were the team and coaches showing up and improving.
Any Michigan State fan , player , journalist can readily admit on their podcasts and articles that they were outplayed for 36 minutes but a jerk like you tries to say that never happened. . Rutgers didn’t hold the lead the entire game until it got tied with 11 seconds , it was a figment of everybody ‘s else’s imagination except you. You can criticize the post but be factual

uhhhhh...that's Coach Darkcheck to you.

Can't believe you couldn't tell by the dribble posted again and again (and again) by this guy is actually that of a former HS and AAU coach. We can all aspire to one day be the bball mind that he is...
 

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You once again are another negative guy that doesn’t read the posts or who is posting. I never said it was a moral victory. I never said Pike needs to be retained except I have a brain and realize we cannot afford a 25 million buyout. I just said for season ticket holders that dish out the cash, the seat licenses and actually go to the games , last night along with Wisconsin and Iowa give you some hope and it has become clear the team is getting better . Something that hasn’t happened the last 2 years. I didn’t cherry pick anything. I looked at the last 4 games , 2 on the road , and found signs of getting better. Indiana was a total no show by coaches and players but the other 3 were the team and coaches showing up and improving.
Any Michigan State fan , player , journalist can readily admit on their podcasts and articles that they were outplayed for 36 minutes but a jerk like you tries to say that never happened. . Rutgers didn’t hold the lead the entire game until it got tied with 11 seconds , it was a figment of everybody ‘s else’s imagination except you. You can criticize the post but be factual
Thanks for starting the name calling. You’re such a low character person. I’m not negative, I’m a realist. I don’t wear rose colored glasses like you. Keep looking for hope and enjoying losing seasons. You did cherry pick originally just ignoring Indiana. And by the way was t not a fact we got out rebounded by 20+? Did we not get outscored by 18 over the last 25 mins of play? How is that dominating til the 3:51 mark? We had a nine point lead at half and an 8 point lead at 3:51. Better than I thought we’d do but hardly dominating. I’d say they dominated for the first 20’. I’ve been on other posts saying I’m eating crow and this team is better than expected. So suck it with your personal attacks against me. But don’t confuse that admission with this team being good or the coaching errors showing hope for the future. Just ignore me if you don’t like it what I say.
 

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I think fans get too caught up trying to extrapolate positives making them best case scenarios. In reality even Eddie Jordan team beat #2 Wisconsin. Fred Hiill beat top 10 Georgetown and had a two game run of taking down Pitt/Nova. RU was only in the game because Zrno hit on a bunch of 3s at the right time and RU can be quite effective when shots are going down because Francis can also get on a heater. Add in Buchanan contributing and all of a suddent RU humming. Reality is that Zrno who 85% of the board buried is a decent role player for a team and yet for every good game will have 3 no shows. Rutgers had 5 players in double figures but unfortunately they were the only players scoring. Coincidentally those 5 players may be really the only ones worth bringing back that you can see being contributors. Powers who everyone was annointing was overmatched and it was stupid by Pike to start him in the 2nd half let alone the first. Mark strugged mightily but he will have better games and there is some potential there. I just dont see it with Dortsch and Nwuli. They are black holes on offense. Neither can start next year and if you bring one back its as a role player defensive guy. You arent making the NCAA if you are relying on those 2. EO was a disaster last night. There are better matchups for him in the league but he should not be playing more than 10 minutes a game. The lack of any offensive system relying on alot of luck and shooters getting on heaters is alarming. You saw that play out in the final 5 minutes. Physically the team was gassed at the end, they put an enormous effort on D and that is a lot of credit to Pike. That really isnt sustainable over the course of the season in the new world of analytic hoops.

We know as a fact that Pike teams are incredibly slow starters to the season. You can chalk one wtf loss up right away to a crap northeast team. Yjen going to Vegas I dont know if there are 3 games or 4 next year but RU will likely be one of the worst teams again in the field. Next year its likely Pike brings a team that will be overmatched in talent again and if they are relying on the guys from this season its not going to work out. Plus Francis will almost certainly be offered a huge bag by someone. RU is currently 163 in the NET, the worst power 5 school. There are schools licking their chops that they can use him on their team. Lose Francis and its a complete shitshow
I think you have lowered your expectations and that is the way you are dealing with the losing which is great and I have as well and like you would normally be beyond upset about yesterday’s loss but instead of letting it shrug off your shoulders like you did, I chose as a season ticket holder that has going to games forever , like you , to see the improvement in the team. I am not saying Pike has done a good job or should be retained but I am realistic and he is not being fired with a 25 million buyout.
You tried to equate our game last night to Penn State ‘s earlier close efforts against Michigan and Michigan State but they didn’t have the lead all game until 11 seconds like Rutgers did. I would equate it more to Nebraska’s loss at Michigan yesterday where they lead all game until the end and didn’t score for the last 3 minutes of regulation and the last 4 and a half from the field and lost. Rutgers had a comfortable lead in the game almost the whole way and Carr’s 3 at the end of the shot clock when they were down 8 cut it to 5 and if his prayer didn’t get off in time or he missed mSU was in real trouble. We played the best first half of the year and a very good first 15 minutes of the second half. We had 5 guys in double figures for the first time showing Pike we are more than Francis and showing fans hope but also improvement. Another game of only 5 turnovers and only 1 in the first half to MSU’s 15 and 10 in the first half .. Francis Davis and Buchanan are juniors with another year. Grant and Dorsch are sophomores . Zrno , Powers , Mark and Nwuili are freshman . We need a center and probably a power forward who rebounds badly and prefer the center to be able to shoot the 3 to give us a low post presence. I see a pathway to improved play with the needed Portal help
 
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I think you have lowered your expectations and that is the way you are dealing with the losing which is great and I have as well and like you would normally be beyond upset about yesterday’s loss but instead of letting it shrug off your shoulders like you did, I chose as a season ticket holder that has going to games forever , like you , to see the improvement in the team. I am not saying Pike has done a good job or should be retained but I am realistic and he is not being fired with a 25 million buyout.
You tried to equate our game last night to Penn State ‘s earlier close efforts against Michigan and Michigan State but they didn’t have the lead all game until 11 seconds like Rutgers did. I would equate it more to Nebraska’s loss at Michigan yesterday where they lead all game until the end and didn’t score for the last 3 minutes of regulation and the last 4 and a half from the field and lost. Rutgers had a comfortable lead in the game almost the whole way and Carr’s 3 at the end of the shot clock when they were down 8 cut it to 5 and if his prayer didn’t get off in time or he missed mSU was in real trouble. We played the best first half of the year and a very good first 15 minutes of the second half. We had 5 guys in double figures for the first time showing Pike we are more than Francis and showing fans hope but also improvement. Another game of only 5 turnovers and only 1 in the first half to MSU’s 15 and 10 in the first half .. Francis Davis and Buchanan are juniors with another year. Grant and Dorsch are sophomores . Zrno , Powers , Mark and Nwuili are freshman . We need a center and probably a power forward who rebounds badly and prefer the center to be able to shoot the 3 to give us a low post presence. I see a pathway to improved play with the needed Portal help
The lack of turnovers is impressive. I know you’re assuming they can pay all the double digit scorers from last night and then go get a non-Fall like center. I sure hope you’re right.
 

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4-5 plays is all well and good and we appreciate the effort and see signs here

but let me equate your argument to another sport … the giants went 1-7 in one score games, the browns went 1-6, the raiders went 1-5… they all fired their coach

one score games come down to 1-4 plays that make the difference and if the ball bounces the other way and they finish with 1 loss instead on 1 win in those games they’d still have a job

my point is sports come down to the margins and if you’re on the wrong side of the margins enough times right or wrong it means something
1. One score in football is way different than one score in basketball.

2. Rutgers has won these one possession games many many times over the Pike era . For all the bitching people do about his offense, he usually builds around a great scorer who can get a good midrange look at will when needed.
 

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1. One score in football is way different than one score in basketball.

2. Rutgers has won these one possession games many many times over the Pike era . For all the bitching people do about his offense, he usually builds around a great scorer who can get a good midrange look at will when needed.
Agreed but last night Pike embraced and set up and continued to try and set up 3 point looks not 2 point looks. The 2 point looks were drives where they also got fouled . But 5 guys hit at least 1 three , Zrno , Grant , Buchanan , Davis and Francis. That has a better chance of winning and the first game he embraced it and the team made a conscious effort to seek 3’s . That is a huge step for Pike. Would love to see it every game so they they go into halftime with a lead instead of a deficit
 
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Normally I would think 17 seconds is too long to foul but not specific to yesterday ‘s game . After watching replay , Pike definitely should have called a timeout to set up press and take time off the clock and double Fears and let someone else bring up the ball. Then foul. Fears was a lights out foul shooter but everyone else not so much. Your sssuming MSU makes their foul shots. With the press more time goes off the clock . Allowing Fears to catch with no one in the backcourt at all with a head of steam was the worst decision. There is a variance of opinions but then the particular game has to be looked at. We were shooting 2 every time and despite Davis missing , Davis and Francis shooting foul shots against the rest of MSU , I would take my chances. But you cannot allow Fears upcourt unguarded on the run.
Agree. Call time out, force the ball in to someone other than Fears, make them use some clock getting it up-court, and then if possible foul a lesser foul-shooter like Ugochukwu, who shoots only 56% from the line.

And remember, it was still 1-and-1 with us having less than 10 fouls. I like our chances in that scenario.
 
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Going out to LA on Friday visiting my son and my other son is coming from Miami. We are going to the USC and UCLA games. Hopefully the road is not too hostile and the team can build off its improvement