it would be a team full of three stars and backups!!
Note from Pilgrim on Recruiting on Sources Say Pod
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Probably very similar to the early years of the Unforgetables, but without the upside. But hey, even if they never win, at least they "understand UK basketball and would play for the name on the front of the jersey", which matters when you are trying to maintain a blue blood status.
With no commitments, you would have to believe that Pope will try to bring back the entire roster(minus JQ) and just replace Oweh(Pate?) and Aberdeen in the portal.
pilgrim said we most likely wont pursue pate because of his high price tag
Pate is not eligible yet but I'd say there's enough money since you really don't have to replace JQ and Oweh's money is freed up.
Plus that's just a guess from Pilgrim.
If JP ever had any inside info directly from the staff, I'm sure it's been shut down since his public criticism of Pope.
This isn’t new information. Ever since people starting posting about JMI being the issue I’ve been saying it’s not them. Are they ideal? No, but the true issue is the sales pitch our staff gives. We are selling these recruits on our path for them at Kentucky. No one cares to listen but that’s the true reason.
I’m sure I’ll hear well how do you know. I know because I work with the same kids we aren’t getting to sign and others we recruited even in the early stages on a daily basis. It’s not speculation it’s fact that we miss because we have a bad pitch and recruits don’t see the picture the staff paints.
I’m sure I’ll hear well how do you know. I know because I work with the same kids we aren’t getting to sign and others we recruited even in the early stages on a daily basis. It’s not speculation it’s fact that we miss because we have a bad pitch and recruits don’t see the picture the staff paints.
No way Hart is that tone deaf to recruits.
Probably say the same for Brooks.
If we have a bad pitch it has to be coming from the head man.
The things he says may be true but he’s not close to John Scheyer on any level. That dude has lost one game this year. Has two conference titles, one final four, and is 89-22 for an .801 winning % in his first three years. It’s not even close. Pope has like 13-14 more losses in a season and a half less work.
Sadly that is the truth. I hope we win, but I’m pretty sure both those guys will have good games.
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You mean the same UConn that beat Cal twice in the final four en route to 2 national titles? The same Duke that won 2 titles while Cal won 1? The same Kansas that won 2 titles while Cal won 1, and directly benefited from Cal’s Memphis team choking?
Look, I don’t disagree with you about needing a proven coach who can produce right away. I’m just saying, we had a proven coach in Cal and at the end of the day, he didn’t produce like he should have. He’s the reason those other schools are catching up. Mark Pope is just a guy who isn’t gonna stop the bleeding.
Don’t worry. If we lose tonight, him and the rest of the crybaby’s will be out thumping their bird chests and wearing their “I was right!” T-Shirts they made up in the basement.
You just hate how facts ruin your argument. I’ve posted on here daily just like I always have. You have a serious obsession with Ritchie and Nate Oats.
“You have every right to voice your opinion all day long and I have every right to never read or even see any of the drivel.”
Scheyer is so good that he coached circles around Pope and made a huge 2nd half comeback to beat him. He Pwned him in their only meeting…….oh wait.
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A stupid sports guy who “speculates”?
Uh, Pope is zero for the field (0-30 on HS 5*s alone), on every single one of his top targets!
That’s not the definition of “speculation”! That’s the cold hard facts, and it’s not going to change anytime soon.
I know this isnt a popular take in this thread but im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt with the health issues we have had. If we have a 100% butler and Robinson last year im confident we make the final four. Give us Lowe healthy for the season and JQ healthy from here on out and this season looks a lot different. Just a healthy lowe would be worth at least two more wins right now. Then we are ranked top 15 and we are talking about how good of a team we are shaping in to.
Also if he brings in Dink and lands one of Stokes, Holt, Collins then we are in pretty good shape heading in to next year.
yes, but they were the reason that U K lost to Wi by tyring to be heroes
But how is the pitch so bad though? Come play in a really fun spread out high possession offense under a coach that seems generally nice and positive on a huge stage in one of the best conferences with most games on national tv? Like how are they messing up the pitch? I genuinely don’t get it. After last year seeing our offense score in the 100s with everyone having a green light to shoot and guys like Alamanor saying they’ve never played for a coach that’s so nice and doesn’t yell like how was he not able to sign people?
This is a really dumb problem to have at the University of Kentucky.
Great argument. Walter McCarty is a better coach than Calipari as well.
Bingo. Jmi deal is **** and makes things way tougher, but Pope was never landing those guys anyway.
1) hes a complete cornball. Yes i know us other goofy middle aged cornballs think its great because we can relate. However that absolutely does not fly with the kids he's trying to recruit. In fact had he not played here, most of us would've immediately been over his cringe inducing schtick.
2) top recruits do not want to play in a zoom offense. This is literally a mid major style offense focusing on back cuts, open jumpers, and creating angles for straight line downhill drives.
In truth, its a brilliant offense but it doesn't allow any player to work on nor showcase their skills for the nba. Eg: why on earth would a pg want to play here? The ball is out of their hands. Imo that's why pope completely changed our offense for Lowe and JJ but also why oweh and Aberdeen sucked in that 1-4 type look.
The sole exception is a stretch big. We should be THE destination school for any stretch big since they are literally the center piece of everything in this offense. Yet somehow we cant land them either, which is my only surprise in our recruiting failures.
This isnt getting better. In fact it will just get worse, especially after the jq fiasco. Pope never deserved this opportunity and never would've gotten it had he not played here and Mitch needed a yes man after Cal wrestled control away due to immense popularity.
It sucks but it is what it is. Everyone called it at the time. Then only some of us stuck to it after the massive sell job by ksr and others. I hoped it would work because he's such a great guy. However unless he really finds some magic and quick, we should move on or be forever stuck in a middling sec outcome plus sweet 16 ceiling.
I really don’t know what some are thinking. Kev probably isn’t being serious but I just don’t think some of these guys get this. You are going to lose position here. And we haven’t won in a long time. Pope was not brought in to learn on the job. He was brought in to fix Calipari’s issues and win and win big.
I’ve said this over and over and I don’t know why it even has to be said. He’s not producing well during the season and he. cannot. recruit. His reputation has taken massive hits and he’s been blown out of the water.
There’s no way to sustain it. He doesn’t have the history to sustain it.
Pope is done at UK. He was really only brought in because Barnhart wanted control and full access back to finish his UK tenure anyway. His 2 big targets were both 2 of the most religious coaches in the game. lol. I’m a Christian so not hating on those guys, but this is Kentucky basketball. So I don’t know what it’s going to take to wake people up but this was over when it started. We all love Pope, but not to the point where he’s allowed to sink the program. I’d remove him this year at the end of the season, but “he gets next year” is likely going to win out. And that’s a shame.
If Pope was some random outsider, we hired from Ohio, or something. Everybody would be in agreement he isn't gonna cut it here. But because he's the "anti-Calipari". And played here 30 years ago, you got holdovers. It's kinda the same blue hair mentality that IU oldheads have. Clean cut IU boys, RMK style coach, doing things the right way with academics first, candy stripe paints forever, etc etc. I give @Monday Nitro's posts no serious mind. This guy openly said he supports whoever is UK's coach. During the 2023 season, he would post everytime Oats lost to Calipari, with "Calipari beat Oats with 2 pointers:". He was ardent that it didn't matter who started. It was about minutes. Before the covid year, he said Calipari was gonna dominate while Roy and K watched from their recliners. Now, he says he was way past his expiration date at UK. Hilarious.
I certainly don’t have the “chops” to coach at this level. You’re not wrong about that. Not sure what one has to do with the other.
He's another "but he's the anti-Calipari, so I like him". Cal PTSD.
I figured your mind would go to that. I knew when you talked about playing tight man to man that you had more in mind than defense
The revisionism with the twins is hilarious. Booker couldn't shoot during the NCAAT. And was getting abused on D against Wisconsin. You could maybe make an argument for Ulis. The shot clock violation and Cal calling for stall ball, lost that game.
