Since 🏀 is a bust this year …. What is your realistic…

DAWGSANDSAINTS

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expectation for baseball in this first year with O’Connor at the helm.
Initially it was to make the tournament as a Top 16 seed and host. ( that should be the minimum every year)
Second year be a Top 8 seed and host a Super and in the CWS and be playing for the NC in year 3
Now I’m thinking we may have a chance at a Top 8 seed host in year one.
Results out in TX in February will give us a good indication of what we have I think
 
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QuaoarsKing

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We should be competing for the national championship every year, including 2026. There's no rebuilding in the modern era.

Some years we won't get there (that's baseball), but any year that we neither host nor win a Regional is a failure with the level of commitment we have.
 

Bulldog45

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Would love to see us host a super. With a bunch of new pieces plus a new coaching staff may be asking too much but the national talking heads seem to think it’s realistic.
 

Seinfeld

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expectation for baseball in this first year with O’Connor at the helm.
Initially it was to make the tournament as a Top 16 seed and host. ( that should be the minimum every year)
Second year be a Top 8 seed and host a Super and in the CWS and be playing for the NC in year 3
Now I’m thinking we may have a chance at a Top 8 seed host in year one.
Results out in TX in February will give us a good indication of what we have I think
I’m excited, but I’m also nervous that all these top 5 preseason rankings are setting a lot of people up for disappointment. O’Connor has a lot of pieces to work with, but he’s also got a lot to figure out. Not the least of which being our entire weekend rotation.

I guess I say that to say that I hope all these experts are right, and we smash our way to Omaha, but I’ll be completely happy with a Top 16 ranking, hosting a regional, and letting the chips fall where they may from there.
 
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00Dawg

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I'm going to go with a Top 8 seed. Regional host in the current era means finishing in the top half of the SEC, and I just feel we have too much pop in this lineup for that to be the benchmark.
 

patdog

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I’m excited, but I’m also nervous that all these top 5 preseason rankings are setting a lot of people up for disappointment. O’Connor has a lot of pieces to work with, but he’s also got a lot to figure out. Not the least of which being our entire weekend rotation.

I guess I say that to say that I hope all these experts our right, and we smash our way to Omaha, but I’ll be completely happy with a Top 16 ranking, hosting a regional, and letting the chips fall where they may from there.
People underestimate how long it takes to figure these things out & get everyone into the right spots in batting order, defensively & pitching staff. That won’t all be figured out in February. And it may not be figured out in March.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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I’m excited, but I’m also nervous that all these top 5 preseason rankings are setting a lot of people up for disappointment. O’Connor has a lot of pieces to work with, but he’s also got a lot to figure out. Not the least of which being our entire weekend rotation.

I guess I say that to say that I hope all these experts our right, and we smash our way to Omaha, but I’ll be completely happy with a Top 16 ranking, hosting a regional, and letting the chips fall where they may from there.
We have to start embracing these expectations. We didn't shell out all this money to be the same MSU of old. And what I mean by that is, while many of our fans think we're a dyed in the wool blue blood, we're kinda not. For a long time we were a fringe top 15-20 program, I view us like Oregon, Auburn or Clemson in football. That run we went on from 2016-2021 was really not common for us, if you look at our history.

But now we've gotten over the hill as far as a title, shelled out this money for an elite coach and embraced NIL/portal. While I do not expect LSU 1990s results I do expect to essentially host a regional every year, I mean that's only top 16 and I think we probably can consider ourselves a fringe blue blood at this time. We ought to be able to get the talent necessary to do that. Titles will come if they come, kind of a crapshoot there.
 

GoDawgz52

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Win the whole dang thing!
Why aim any lower?!
 

HailStout

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We are paying him an insane amount of money for a college baseball coach. We have obviously committed to NIL for baseball. We will have fan support as always.

the expectation is to be one of the best teams in the country. If we miss Omaha it should be because “that’s baseball” and no other reason.

this is the only sport we are truly allowed to feel this way, especially now that it appears we have truly thrown our full weight behind it.
 

Seinfeld

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We have to start embracing these expectations. We didn't shell out all this money to be the same MSU of old. And what I mean by that is, while many of our fans think we're a dyed in the wool blue blood, we're kinda not. For a long time we were a fringe top 15-20 program, I view us like Oregon, Auburn or Clemson in football. That run we went on from 2016-2021 was really not common for us, if you look at our history.

But now we've gotten over the hill as far as a title, shelled out this money for an elite coach and embraced NIL/portal. While I do not expect LSU 1990s results I do expect to essentially host a regional every year, I mean that's only top 16 and I think we probably can consider ourselves a fringe blue blood at this time. We ought to be able to get the talent necessary to do that. Titles will come if they come, kind of a crapshoot there.
Yeah, I generally agree. I just honestly didn’t expect preseason Top 5 rankings right out of the gate, and when stuff like that starts getting floated in front of fans, it’s easy to start feeling like anything less than Omaha would be disappointing.

There will be a time for all that, no doubt, but I’m feeling a too much, too soon vibe for this season
 
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Since baseball is the only sport multiple MSU administrations have truly cared about for decades, we should be in Omaha every year.
 

patdog

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Since baseball is the only sport multiple MSU administrations have truly cared about for decades, we should be in Omaha every year.
Honestly, I think we've had a lot of our success in baseball over the years in spite of ourselves getting in our own way. From distracted coaches, boom and bust cycles, a couple of bad coaching hires, and generally being too easy to accept being less than our real potential. We've underachieved a lot more than we've overachieved or even met reasonable expectations through the years. But I think this is a new day for MSU baseball. We've got the best coach we've ever had, and it's not close. And we seem to have a real plan to be nationally competitive on a regular basis.
 

OG Goat Holder

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Honestly, I think we've had a lot of our success in baseball over the years in spite of ourselves getting in our own way. From distracted coaches, boom and bust cycles, a couple of bad coaching hires, and generally being too easy to accept being less than our real potential. We've underachieved a lot more than we've overachieved or even met reasonable expectations through the years. But I think this is a new day for MSU baseball. We've got the best coach we've ever had, and it's not close. And we seem to have a real plan to be nationally competitive on a regular basis.
I tend to agree with this. I mean let's look at all the missteps.

- I think we were fine until 1990 or so. I can get over losing the 85 title, it happens. We were relative newcomers, and we were winning, so whatever. Even built back to 1990, I can live with all that.
- Polk should have left/retired/whatever else he wanted to do at that point. I know the early and mid-90s had some good points with attendance and all, but let's face it, any decent coach was going to take advantage of that 1994 signing class and do some big things, so let's not act like Polk did that. But he gets credit for building us to that point.
- I think Pat McMahon underachieved, but he deserved the job, and we could have done much worse, so can't complain about his tenure.
- We all knew the biggest mistake was hiring Polk back in 2002. That was the last ride, we let the program fizzle out while Ole Miss stocked up on the MS players.
- Can't complain about Cohen and Lemonis up through 2021 obviously.
- Lemonis simply failed in the portal era.

I know it's easy to say now about Polk in the early 90s. But it's not like there would be any heartburn if he'd left, the old boomers now still idolize him. Augie Garrido left Fullerton twice, I highly doubt there's any ill will there.

But man, all we needed was a semi-hungry coach in 2002, and we could have warded off a lot of things. Paul Maneiri probably was that guy. Not to mention that is the time where attendance really started slipping because all the lifers were dying, kids were inheriting, and many weren't coming to games. That alienated the folks who saw all the empties but weren't allowed to sit there. That was a staple of the Polk 2 Error, and we simply ignored it.
 

patdog

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I tend to agree with this. I mean let's look at all the missteps.

- I think we were fine until 1990 or so. I can get over losing the 85 title, it happens. We were relative newcomers, and we were winning, so whatever. Even built back to 1990, I can live with all that.
- Polk should have left/retired/whatever else he wanted to do at that point. I know the early and mid-90s had some good points with attendance and all, but let's face it, any decent coach was going to take advantage of that 1994 signing class and do some big things, so let's not act like Polk did that. But he gets credit for building us to that point.
- I think Pat McMahon underachieved, but he deserved the job, and we could have done much worse, so can't complain about his tenure.
- We all knew the biggest mistake was hiring Polk back in 2002. That was the last ride, we let the program fizzle out while Ole Miss stocked up on the MS players.
- Can't complain about Cohen and Lemonis up through 2021 obviously.
- Lemonis simply failed in the portal era.

I know it's easy to say now about Polk in the early 90s. But it's not like there would be any heartburn if he'd left, the old boomers now still idolize him. Augie Garrido left Fullerton twice, I highly doubt there's any ill will there.

But man, all we needed was a semi-hungry coach in 2002, and we could have warded off a lot of things. Paul Maneiri probably was that guy. Not to mention that is the time where attendance really started slipping because all the lifers were dying, kids were inheriting, and many weren't coming to games. That alienated the folks who saw all the empties but weren't allowed to sit there. That was a staple of the Polk 2 Error, and we simply ignored it.
Yeah. Of all the bad mistakes we've made, re-hiring Polk was by far the most damaging. Really, he should have retired the first time he announced his retirement back in about 1993 or so. And while we did have some real success with Cohen and Lemonis, we had WAY too much boom and bust cycles. You just can't finish last or next to last 6 times in 17 years.
 
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thekimmer

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I think Zac Selmon anticipated major suckitude for both football and basketball so he decided he had to go all in on baseball to try and placate the masses. With that said, he hit it out of the park with the hire who then hit a moon shot with his recruiting class. So much so that expectations are through the roof. Realistically, we should expect this team to compete for a top 8 seed. Anything less would be disappointing. Bare minimum we have to host a regional.

If the team delivers this will be a historic season because fans are ready to explode over any kind of national success having been denied for so, so long.
 

MStateDawg

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The floor: Regional Host
The ceiling: Dog piling in Nebraska

This team is stacked virtually everywhere. Our biggest question mark is probably catcher and even there we brought in a transfer who hit .303 with 16 hrs as a sophomore. If that's our biggest concern, then that's certainly something I can live with.

Assuming we don't have a rash of injuries, I'll be shocked if we don't end up as one of the 16 best teams in the nation.
 

dickiedawg

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I fully expect a top 8 seed and Omaha.
That’s the expectation when you have the highest paid coach in the country and an NIL to match.
 

T-TownDawgg

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Regional host and playing good ball end of May. Then in tournament baseball anything can happen
This.

It looks like incoming talent will be Saban-esque under O'Connor. That said:

I have never been so optimistic about a coach at MSU. The only way to validate this optimism is to see a team playing progressively better over the season due to a coach who knows how to manage talent and personalities. That’s his job.