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I don't consider an energetic, enthusiastic coach to be a libility.
I understand that view point. I'm just looking at it from my own experience. I make my best decisions when I'm cool, poised and focused. When my emotions get erratic and volatile, my decision-making is nowhere near as good. So, I try to stay calm when I know I am going to have to make some decisions. Coaches have a lot of decisions to make during the course of a game. When one of those times comes, they may not have had time to settle down to make the best possible decision.
 

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I understand that view point. I'm just looking at it from my own experience. I make my best decisions when I'm cool, poised and focused. When my emotions get erratic and volatile, my decision-making is nowhere near as good. So, I try to stay calm when I know I am going to have to make some decisions. Coaches have a lot of decisions to make during the course of a game. When one of those times comes, they may not have had time to settle down to make the best possible decision.

For me, I think of Beamer's demeanor against Illinois. He totally lost his cool and it probably cost us the game.
 
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If we are going to judge Beamer for his sideline antics, we need to include Holtz and Spurrier, just to name a couple. Those two were far worse, especially when younger, than Beamer.

And who can forget Woody Hayes thumping that Clemson player back in ‘78. Old Woody got the boot the next day. I don’t recall if it cost them the game but I kinda liked him for it! :LOL:
 
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This guy makes some points worth considering, I think.

Meh. Indiana fan perspective.

We'll see how Cignetti does next year and moving forward; we just experienced a 'next year' wakeup ourselves. We'll see how he and Lea both do. Lea got himself a supposed wunderkind replacement, maybe Cignetti will as well.
 

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Meh. Indiana fan perspective.

We'll see how Cignetti does next year and moving forward; we just experienced a 'next year' wakeup ourselves. We'll see how he and Lea both do. Lea got himself a supposed wunderkind replacement, maybe Cignetti will as well.
If Cignetti never does another thing, what was achieved this year will live in sports lore forever. Only a miniscule, almost microscopic percentage of coaches will ever win a national championship, let alone in such a fashion. He's got some age on him, but I have a hunch there's some gas left in the tank.
 

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Calm and stoic works for some coaches, and it clicks with some players.


Clownish doesnt work for either, imo.

Calm and stoic works for some coaches, and it clicks with some players.

Young and energetic can do the same for other coaches, and can click with some players.

Clownish doesnt work for either, imo.
Very true. I think if we all want players, when they score a touchdown to act like they made it into the endzone before, coaches need to act like grown ups too. Players watch their coaches. Do we think Beamer celebrating towards the crowd going into half time during the Texas A&M game was, to put it gently, unwise?
 

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Calm and stoic works for some coaches, and it clicks with some players.

Young and energetic can do the same for other coaches, and can click with some players.

Clownish doesnt work for either, imo.

I guess it's fine to be animated, as long as you can still function. Beamer let Bielema get in his head and not only did he get overly animated, he let it affect his decision making in the game.
 

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I guess it's fine to be animated, as long as you can still function. Beamer let Bielema get in his head and not only did he get overly animated, he let it affect his decision making in the game.

Yeah, thats a good way of putting it. Some players eat that up. The animated part.

I said it during that bowl, and i still believe that was a bit put on. He was trying to get his team fired up. It was just executed poorly, failed, and came across looking very silly.
 
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Yeah, thats a good way of putting it. Some players eat that up. The animated part.

I said it during that bowl, and i still believe that was a bit put on. He was trying to get his team fired up. It was just executed poorly, failed, and came across looking very silly.

True.

Since there's nothing else to talk about, I'll talk about the bowl game.

Beamer got so caught up in trying to prove a point on the late substitution issue that he cost us the game. He should have realized the refs weren't going to stop it and that Bielema was going to keep doing it and made the necessary adjustments.
 
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True.

Since there's nothing else to talk about, I'll talk about the bowl game.

Beamer got so caught up in trying to prove a point on the late substitution issue that he cost us the game. He should have realized the refs weren't going to stop it and that Bielema was going to keep doing it and made the necessary adjustments.

I've seen a couple Illinois games since then, and countless other games where that late substitution became an issue.

It really was on us to just sub sooner, or run a play with the players already on the field.
 

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Very true. I think if we all want players, when they score a touchdown to act like they made it into the endzone before, coaches need to act like grown ups too. Players watch their coaches. Do we think Beamer celebrating towards the crowd going into half time during the Texas A&M game was, to put it gently, unwise?
No, not particularly.

Did we think it ‘unwise’ when we were down at the half in Clemson 2022 and he told the reporter ‘we’re going to win this game’ as he was going off at the half? He should have been more ‘grown up’? Please.

There are several on here who would do themselves a solid by getting over themselves.
 

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No, not particularly.

Did we think it ‘unwise’ when we were down at the half in Clemson 2022 and he told the reporter ‘we’re going to win this game’ as he was going off at the half? He should have been more ‘grown up’? Please.

There are several on here who would do themselves a solid by getting over themselves.
:rolleyes:
 
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Clemson won their championships the way they always had, they cheated. The worst kept secret in college football was that Clemson and Auburn were paying top players to come to their teams. NIL gutted those two programs. It is no mystery why as soon as NIL payments became legal, Clemson and Auburn saw their football programs fall off of a cliff.
Unfortunately, Clemson got on the NIL train pretty big last year, I believe outspending us something like $15M to $9M? Clemson was young, if they get a QB clicking they will be much improved next year 😔
 

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That's amazing. He inherited a team that won just 9 games TOTAL in the prior 3 seasons. He comes in and goes 11-2 in his FIRST season at Indiana finishing number 10 in the nation. In his 2nd season, he wins the national championship at Indiana. To quote Steve Spurrier, "Why not us?".
Obvious to me that the * system is wrong on many players, and many are just unknown, I would think that's more likely when they aren't in superstar type positions, i.e. OL.
 

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It's true. One thing they mentioned during the game last night, though it wasn't the point they were making, is that in his time in CFB, Beck had seen every conceivable defensive alignment that IU could throw at him. It was just an illustration of the advantage you get when you've got guys in the game who have been playing 5, 6 or 7 years. On top of that you have teams exploiting the grad student loophole so you end up with players like Beck who don't even have class and spend 100% of their time on football, while the guys he's playing against have a full academic load.
I would agree up to the point of saying grad students don't have classes and the academic load is less. The thing I think you get with older players is they have multiple years of college coaching and their understanding of offense and defense is in general going to be more sophisticated than a freshman who may have just been the best athlete on his high school team and not needed to understand more than that.
 
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Cuban has more money in the cupholder of his car than all of our donors have combined.
I don't own the team so I don't pay player salaries. I don't mind donating to scholarships. When I "invest" my meager assets, I look for a monetary return. I trust skilled investment advisors, not college kids who might abandon me the next year if their performance equals the investment. College football in the big conferences is now NFL minor league football. Fans have changed. They no longer enjoy the game. They all must be the fans of the best team or they whine and call for coaches to be fired. The motto of the athletic departments should be Capital One’s “what’s in your wallet”?
 
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Cuban has more money in the cupholder of his car than all of our donors have combined.
He didn't spend it on those boys that came in from James Madison or other lower-classification teams. This championship wasn't bought to the extent people are trying to portray. Every team that Indiana beat in the playoffs cost more than they did.
 

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Cignetti is a great coach. He's 64. Beamer is 48. Cignetti was still a journeyman assistant at 48. It's pretty much impossible to compare them for that reason (not suggesting Beamer is a better coach b/c he became head coach quicker). Just 2 completely different career trajectories. Can we hang with Beamer 16 more seasons to see if he turns into a Cignetti???? :ROFLMAO:
That wouldn't be long enough.
 

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He didn't spend it on those boys that came in from James Madison or other lower-classification teams. This championship wasn't bought to the extent people are trying to portray. Every team that Indiana beat in the playoffs cost more than they did.

I dont think he spent as much on them incoming. But I'm curious what they spent to retain a lot of those guys after that 11 win season. (On top of buying some new players)

But as with all things NIL, the real picture is fuzzy at best. Filled with anecdotal stories over details.
 

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He didn't spend it on those boys that came in from James Madison or other lower-classification teams. This championship wasn't bought to the extent people are trying to portray. Every team that Indiana beat in the playoffs cost more than they did.
He spent it on that boy from Cal though. The rest of the team was coached well and were focused, yes, but without that boy from Cal, they don't win the national championship. Without that boy from New Mexico, Vandy is Vandy again. A new car, caviar, four star daydream, think I'll buy me a football team...