Well, having a roster of 22-25 year olds may be the way to go.
If Indiana can do it stop with the we can’t because our history
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It's true. One thing they mentioned during the game last night, though it wasn't the point they were making, is that in his time in CFB, Beck had seen every conceivable defensive alignment that IU could throw at him. It was just an illustration of the advantage you get when you've got guys in the game who have been playing 5, 6 or 7 years. On top of that you have teams exploiting the grad student loophole so you end up with players like Beck who don't even have class and spend 100% of their time on football, while the guys he's playing against have a full academic load.
Thats incorrect my friend. If you don't think the miami's and indiana's have the j&j's, albeit from the equivalent of nfl free agency, youre fooling YOUR self. An effective staff is needed for sure (although I don’t think Cristobal is all that great o shakes), but the horse wins the race, not the trainer or jockey.
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Cignetti is not just Xs and Os, he has the ability to impart focus, hence what fans describe as 'discipline.'
I think you need to reread his post. He was speaking of Carolina. Shane is our coach, not the coach of Miami or Indiana.
It is not as simple as getting older players. It's getting the undervalued players, the over looked players, the producers, the grinders, the teachable guys, the character guys, the assignment guys, the TEAM first guys.
Yeah, you get 30-40 of those guys, put them in a good system, and coach'm up right, you're gonna win a lot of games.
Yeah, you get 30-40 of those guys, put them in a good system, and coach'm up right, you're gonna win a lot of games.
Lurker is right. I was referring to Carolina. That said, 18isThe Man on this thread wrote that Indiana has only eight 4 and 5 stars combined on their roster. I am not going to take the time to look it up, BUT I am pretty sure we have more than 8. Can Beamer get the job done like Cignetti did with just eight 4 and 5 stars combined? I hope so. I'm pulling for him. I'm getting too old to start over with a new Head Coach,
Cuban is not buying players for them though. They are winning with experienced 2 and 3 stars. IU was well coached and disciplined. They picked a coach that wasn't too old, but had won at his other 3 stops. A common sense hire that worked out for them.
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Well, I was referring to Carolina as well and I see your point; I just don’t put a great deal of stock in stars for stars sake. One guy’s three star is another’s four and so on; to my eye, ‘stars’ coming from the Atlanta area for example are more often than not meaningless. To me it’s obvious that Indiana’s j&js were hand picked and not just from an age standpoint, although that’s obviously an important factor as well, and were picked with a discerning eye. Spurrier in his first half or so here showed a top shelf coach can’t just throw playbooks at guys and win, while Cristobal (to me anyway) shows one doesn’t have to be a top shelf jockey to win with man ’o’ war and secretariat. In Cignetti’s case it’s a perfect blend he puts together but he does it with a heavy dose of superior horses. Can Beamer get it done too? I doubt it; not sure Cignetti and/or Lea will be able to stay on top either.
You were referring to Carolina with this post?
Sometimes, its really easier just to say "my bad, I misread that". But that takes a level of maturity some lack.
That sort of evaluation is going to be critical going forward.
We historically recruit in the same range, across coaching staffs. And it doesnt look like we're going to outbid a lot of people for top talent.
So we'll need to evaluate those guys from smaller schools.
I'm sorry. He can do better than this past season as evidenced by the previous season, up until the bowl game, but he doesn't have the chops to do what we've just witnessed.
I'm not going to pan you for that. Every fanbase needs an optimistic subset of fans. I appreciate you.
Maybe not, we don't know for sure. I will say it's nice to have someone like Cuban you could turn to if necessary.
Not sure where some people get the idea Cuban isn't donating NIL money.
He himself is saying he does, and that he's giving more this year than last year.
If you want to buy into the approach that you need a big money donor to buy yourself into the CFP, go right ahead. However, that is not what has happened at IU. In fact, Cignetti used the Deion Sanders approach to win. It just worked in his case. Cignetti ran a bunch of the returnees off. He brought a core of players from JMU. I don't think those players would be of the expensive variety. They, also, didn't go out spending all kinds of money on highly ranked guys out of the portal except for the QB. Mendoza cost them some coin, but most of the other guys were pretty much non-descript guys coming from the portal. The only guy on their team that I had ever heard before this year was Mendoza. Heck, we are spending money on a QB and probably, in your opinion, we are spending it on the wrong guy. I wouldn't doubt that our NIL Budget is much larger than IU's. We are just not getting ROI. We are just spending money and saying, heck we need more, when things don't work out.
Nice long winded speech. But it doesn't really address the point that Cuban is, in fact, donating a lot to their NIL. Not sure why anyone would claim differently when he openly admits it.
Kudos for using the quote function correctly this time.
Actually, it doesn't matter if Cuban is a donor or not. The point is that IU is apparently not a big NIL spender. Of course, Cuban is going to attach himself to the program now. They won the National Championship. If he is spending money, maybe South Carolina needs to spend money on kids from JMU, Old Dominion and other G5 programs. Oh, we are already doing that. Go on hang to a fact that doesn't matter.
I am sure NIL spending has ticked up after their success last year and this year, but they certainly didn't have a big NIL budge for Cignetti to work with in Year 1.
They didn't really spend big last year. They spent on Mendoza, but most of these guys are no-name guys that fit their scheme. IU spent a little more this year. Got TCU's QB and got a highly rated WR from Michigan State, but they are still bringing in a lot of guys that fit their scheme. Got RB Turbo Richard from Boston College that played HS in my area (Rock Hill). We didn't recruit the kid because he is a little short (5'9") and a little light (190 lbs) for the typical back you see in the SEC. i bet he goes to IU and excels.
If you were aiming for a coherent response, you failed miserably. I think you spouting nonsense has even confused you to my original, and only, point.
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I simply provided proof for you that your statement was false. He not only says he bought players last year, but openly says he will give more money this year to NIL.
Maybe you just cant work a link. Here, ill repost it. Just touch the link and your phone should open a new window with the appropriate article for you to read.
Im thinking the act of following a link is still beyond you though.
Now, all your verbal diarrhea about whether they are buying highly rated vs older or lower rated guys means nothing. I wasn't commenting on which players they were choosing. I was simply pointing out how you were wrong that Cuban wasn't buying players.
His direct quotes also contradict your comment:
Again, the article i posted shows how this is wrong. But in order to read that article, you'd have to be able to work a link from a post. And again, I really think thats beyond you.
And if you follow your usual script, when I start posting links that definitively prove you wrong, thats when you just stop responding.
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I know @adcoop will just make **** up to pretend he knows something.
But do you have numbers on Indiana NIL? As with most NIL, all i hear is anecdotal "they didn't spend a lot" or "Cuban dumped a bunch of money in".
As i posted, he has given to NIL, he openly discusses it. But I haven't found any specific numbers.
I'm just assuming based on the fact that they were the worst P4 team of all time with a fan base who didn't give a hoot about football.
I was interested how we compared to IU and Miami in the Portal in the past 2 years.
2024 IU 10
Miami 16
SC 11
2025 IU 13
Miami 5
SC 26
We obviously did so-so last year. Where are we this year? 25th smh. Beamer pretty much guaranteed we will be in the playoffs next year. I hope so. But, he will have to do some great coaching, imho.
Okay. As I said, everything I've seen or heard has been anecdotal.
In the link I provided, Cuban is quoted as saying he gave "a big number" last year. And then hes quoted as saying that hes doing even more this year.
I wonder at comments about them not spending much when Cuban is quoted as saying something different.
In the article I posted, there is another link to another article where he says he started giving after Cignetti's first year though.
You have to wonder at those portal rankings now too. Adcoop was right about one thing when he was trying to deflect, Indiana didn't chase star ratings. So does that affect their portal ranking?
If we chase "hungry" 3 stars vs entitled 5 stars, we may have better additions with a lower ranking. Maybe?
Cignetti's demeanor is a huge factor in their success. He doesn't get irate on the sideline. He doesn't get jubilant on the sideline. Coaches say things all the time like "every game is a season" and "every play is a season". Cignetti actually behaves on the sideline like he believes it. I almost get a headache when they show him on the sideline b/c he's so intensely dialed in on each and every play.
You mean he does not cheer and get the fans excited on his way to the locker room at halftime with a big lead?
Some of my favorite coaches: Tom Landry, Bud Grant, Jim Carlen and Joe Morrison pretty much kept their emotions in check. I don't remember who the coach who said it but, I liked it when one told his players that when they score a touchdown, act like you have been there before.
IU spent about $21 million on NIL this season according to the Google machine. That ranks up there pretty high.
I was speaking mostly to Year 1 for Cignetti. IU's NIL budget surely could not have been that big. There was zero inkling of what was to come.
According to Cuban, he started giving large amounts after the first big year, and before this past season.
Thats only one booster, but I think its their big one.
Now that IU will have a lot of money, I wonder if the formula will change? It would be hard to consistently build entire teams on diamond in the rough kind of guys. But maybe Cignetti's style is conducive to that.
Thats only one booster, but I think its their big one.
Now that IU will have a lot of money, I wonder if the formula will change? It would be hard to consistently build entire teams on diamond in the rough kind of guys. But maybe Cignetti's style is conducive to that.
This coach, did he tell them to stay off his lawn too?
The Landrys and the Grants also had the Maddens, Ditkas, and Grudens. I don't consider an energetic, enthusiastic coach to be a libility.
We can't do it because the BOT and the AD will always get in the way of it happening(especially the BOT).
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