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All it took was the right coach. I don’t buy for a minute that this wouldn’t be doable at NU. Had Cignetti come here, we would be contending for a national title. Admissions is an excuse. Sure it’s a challenge but not something that can’t be overcome. Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw had nationally ranked recruiting classes with higher admission standards at Stanford, and so did Barnett when he was here. Cignetti did it with zero ranked recruiting classes. We don’t need to have access to every player in the top 300. 1/4 of the pool is plenty and more than what IU needed. Cignetti did it with 3 stars and no stars. A smattering of transfers. Most of their core players from JMU (who jumped from FCS) had no FBS offers. And Indiana doesn’t have our advantages. Of Chicago. The degree. SOTA facilities and SOTA stadium next year. Pat Ryan.

IU wasn't in better shape than NU 2 years ago. We had been recruiting as well or better than them, even in that Braun interim year. They were the losingest program in NCAA history. The only school in the B1G we had a winning record historically against.

I don’t know if David Braun can bring us to the top. He certainly didn’t have the background and experience that Cignetti did, but perhaps he can learn. I had all but given up on him but my hope was renewed with the (un-Fitzlike) moves he made to rebirth our putrid offense. We are bringing in solid transfers. So I hope we can get it done like IU did, but we shall see. The blueprint is there (see below), and there are no excuses. Indiana just raised the bar for every program in the country. If they could do it, anyone can.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...na-won-college-football-national-championship
 
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All it took was the right coach. I don’t buy for a minute that this wouldn’t be doable at NU. Had Cignetti come here, we would be contending for a national title. Admissions is an excuse. Sure it’s a challenge but not something that can’t be overcome. Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw had nationally ranked recruiting classes with higher admission standards at Stanford, and so did Barnett when he was here. Cignetti did it with zero ranked recruiting classes. We don’t need to have access to every player in the top 300. 1/4 of the pool is plenty and more than what IU needed. Cignetti did it with 3 stars and no stars. A smattering of transfers. Most of their core players from JMU (who jumped from FCS) had no FBS offers. And Indiana doesn’t have our advantages. Of Chicago. The degree. SOTA facilities and SOTA stadium next year. Pat Ryan.

IU wasn't in better shape than NU 2 years ago. We had been recruiting as well or better than them, even in that Braun interim year. They were the losingest program in NCAA history. The only school in the B1G we had a winning record historically against.

I don’t know if David Braun can bring us to the top. He certainly didn’t have the background and experience that Cignetti did, but perhaps he can learn. I had all but given up on him but my hope was renewed with the (un-Fitzlike) moves he made to rebirth our putrid offense. We are bringing in solid transfers. So I hope we can get it done like IU did, but we shall see. The blueprint is there (see below), and there are no excuses. Indiana just raised the bar for every program in the country. If they could do it, anyone can.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...na-won-college-football-national-championship
Coaching and QB are 80% of what you need. And you (administration),must choose correctly.
 

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No mention of NIL or Mark Cuban?
And what about ADMISSIONS?

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All it took was the right coach. I don’t buy for a minute that this wouldn’t be doable at NU. Had Cignetti come here, we would be contending for a national title. Admissions is an excuse. Sure it’s a challenge but not something that can’t be overcome. Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw had nationally ranked recruiting classes with higher admission standards at Stanford, and so did Barnett when he was here. Cignetti did it with zero ranked recruiting classes. We don’t need to have access to every player in the top 300. 1/4 of the pool is plenty and more than what IU needed. Cignetti did it with 3 stars and no stars. A smattering of transfers. Most of their core players from JMU (who jumped from FCS) had no FBS offers. And Indiana doesn’t have our advantages. Of Chicago. The degree. SOTA facilities and SOTA stadium next year. Pat Ryan.

IU wasn't in better shape than NU 2 years ago. We had been recruiting as well or better than them, even in that Braun interim year. They were the losingest program in NCAA history. The only school in the B1G we had a winning record historically against.

I don’t know if David Braun can bring us to the top. He certainly didn’t have the background and experience that Cignetti did, but perhaps he can learn. I had all but given up on him but my hope was renewed with the (un-Fitzlike) moves he made to rebirth our putrid offense. We are bringing in solid transfers. So I hope we can get it done like IU did, but we shall see. The blueprint is there (see below), and there are no excuses. Indiana just raised the bar for every program in the country. If they could do it, anyone can.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...na-won-college-football-national-championship
Knowing that apparently no one wanted to touch the NU job in 2023, Braun has done excellent given his situation and his experience. And Chip Kelly thinks enough of him to come work as his OC for the next couple years, regardless of whether it was Jackson’s connection and Ryan’s money that made it happen.
 

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Indiana has just made the job of every power 4 school even more difficult because you now have every fan base expecting to be able to have a National Championship in two years.

I like the fact that it has been 3 different Big Ten teams in three years. I hope that trend continues.
ECat’s sentiments are currently on every team’s fan board in the country. There is only 1 Natty.
 

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If they expand the playoff then it’s certainly attainable for NU to at least make the playoff. We’ve been ranked in the top 16 before. Making a championship run through the playoff is a whole other story, basically an epic program win 3-4 games in a row.
 

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Even more surprising is ECat went on a long rant without mentioning Saint Hank.
Like I said they don’t have Pat Ryan. Who is almost twice as wealthy as Mark Cuban and has spent orders of magnitude more on NU football than Mark Cuban has on IU football to date.

📊 Mark Cuban (The Investor & NBA Owner)

· Reported Net Worth: $6.0 billion
· Source Year: January 2026
· Primary Wealth Sources: Tech exits (Broadcast.com), sale of majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks, "Shark Tank" investments, and ventures like Cost Plus Drugs.

📊 Patrick "Pat" Ryan (The Insurance Tycoon)

· Reported Net Worth: $10.7 billion
· Source Year: Forbes 2024 ranking
· Primary Wealth Sources: Founder of insurance brokerage Aon Corporation. Also holds a stake in the NFL's Chicago Bears.
 
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If they expand the playoff then it’s certainly attainable for NU to at least make the playoff. We’ve been ranked in the top 16 before. Making a championship run through the playoff is a whole other story, basically an epic program win 3-4 games in a row.
It’s attainable for NU to make the playoff at 12, we’ve been in the top 10 at year’s end. At 16+ it frankly should be expected from time to time. At 24 it should happen often, like a few times a decade. You’re talking about like a third or more of the conference making it annually at that point.
 

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Like I said they don’t have Pat Ryan. Who is almost twice as wealthy as Mark Cuban and has spent orders of magnitude more on NU football than Mark Cuban has on IU football to date.

📊 Mark Cuban (The Investor & NBA Owner)

· Reported Net Worth: $6.0 billion
· Source Year: January 2026
· Primary Wealth Sources: Tech exits (Broadcast.com), sale of majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks, "Shark Tank" investments, and ventures like Cost Plus Drugs.

📊 Patrick "Pat" Ryan (The Insurance Tycoon)

· Reported Net Worth: $10.7 billion
· Source Year: Forbes 2024 ranking
· Primary Wealth Sources: Founder of insurance brokerage Aon Corporation. Also holds a stake in the NFL's Chicago Bears.
All hail our billionaire overlords!! :sneaky:
 

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All it took was the right coach. I don’t buy for a minute that this wouldn’t be doable at NU. Had Cignetti come here, we would be contending for a national title. Admissions is an excuse. Sure it’s a challenge but not something that can’t be overcome. Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw had nationally ranked recruiting classes with higher admission standards at Stanford, and so did Barnett when he was here. Cignetti did it with zero ranked recruiting classes. We don’t need to have access to every player in the top 300. 1/4 of the pool is plenty and more than what IU needed. Cignetti did it with 3 stars and no stars. A smattering of transfers. Most of their core players from JMU (who jumped from FCS) had no FBS offers. And Indiana doesn’t have our advantages. Of Chicago. The degree. SOTA facilities and SOTA stadium next year. Pat Ryan.

IU wasn't in better shape than NU 2 years ago. We had been recruiting as well or better than them, even in that Braun interim year. They were the losingest program in NCAA history. The only school in the B1G we had a winning record historically against.

I don’t know if David Braun can bring us to the top. He certainly didn’t have the background and experience that Cignetti did, but perhaps he can learn. I had all but given up on him but my hope was renewed with the (un-Fitzlike) moves he made to rebirth our putrid offense. We are bringing in solid transfers. So I hope we can get it done like IU did, but we shall see. The blueprint is there (see below), and there are no excuses. Indiana just raised the bar for every program in the country. If they could do it, anyone can.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...na-won-college-football-national-championship

Elected to beat the same dead horse, eh?
 

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Like I said they don’t have Pat Ryan. Who is almost twice as wealthy as Mark Cuban and has spent orders of magnitude more on NU football than Mark Cuban has on IU football to date.

📊 Mark Cuban (The Investor & NBA Owner)

· Reported Net Worth: $6.0 billion
· Source Year: January 2026
· Primary Wealth Sources: Tech exits (Broadcast.com), sale of majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks, "Shark Tank" investments, and ventures like Cost Plus Drugs.

📊 Patrick "Pat" Ryan (The Insurance Tycoon)

· Reported Net Worth: $10.7 billion
· Source Year: Forbes 2024 ranking
· Primary Wealth Sources: Founder of insurance brokerage Aon Corporation. Also holds a stake in the NFL's Chicago Bears.

The question isn’t total dollars spent, it’s where. Ryan has historically focused only on facilities, Cuban on NIL/roster management. NIL makes a MUCH bigger difference in modern college football. Hopefully Ryan and his similarly-situated NU buddies will be willing to “play ball” on NIL now that facilities are all taken care of.
 

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The question isn’t total dollars spent, it’s where. Ryan has historically focused only on facilities, Cuban on NIL/roster management. NIL makes a MUCH bigger difference in modern college football. Hopefully Ryan and his similarly-situated NU buddies will be willing to “play ball” on NIL now that facilities are all taken care of.
It's such a dizzying shift from a legacy power structure that was entirely haves and have notes to a modern landscape that is still haves and have nots, but where exactly who falls into those categories can be radically different based on investment and leverage from conference alignment.
 
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Like I said they don’t have Pat Ryan. Who is almost twice as wealthy as Mark Cuban and has spent orders of magnitude more on NU football than Mark Cuban has on IU football to date.

📊 Mark Cuban (The Investor & NBA Owner)

· Reported Net Worth: $6.0 billion
· Source Year: January 2026
· Primary Wealth Sources: Tech exits (Broadcast.com), sale of majority stake in the Dallas Mavericks, "Shark Tank" investments, and ventures like Cost Plus Drugs.

📊 Patrick "Pat" Ryan (The Insurance Tycoon)

· Reported Net Worth: $10.7 billion
· Source Year: Forbes 2024 ranking
· Primary Wealth Sources: Founder of insurance brokerage Aon Corporation. Also holds a stake in the NFL's Chicago Bears.
How much does Pat Ryan pay for NIL?
 

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*Notably, we are now the losingest program in college football. Rutgers has 10 fewer losses than us, then it's Wake Forest with 18 fewer, and then Kansas with 24...so there's hope. I would care a lot less about if we also didn't own the longest losing streak, which I doubt we'll ever shed. It's all just bad for the brand.

If it makes anyone feel any better, IU's overall win percentage is still lower than ours (.431 to .448).

Cignetti at IU is funny to me because I have no doubt other programs passed on him because he probably did not "show" well during interviews. I suspect if the timing had been different and we interviewed him, we also would have passed when comparing his gregariousness to the likes of Fitz and most others you want in front of the microphone.

I think it will be interesting to see how long wealthy donors continue to directly fund player payroll. The status quo seems very unsustainable, but then again maybe $5-10M per year from a billionaire isn't anything they care about.
 

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*Notably, we are now the losingest program in college football. Rutgers has 10 fewer losses than us, then it's Wake Forest with 18 fewer, and then Kansas with 24...so there's hope. I would care a lot less about if we also didn't own the longest losing streak, which I doubt we'll ever shed. It's all just bad for the brand.

If it makes anyone feel any better, IU's overall win percentage is still lower than ours (.431 to .448).
At the heart of the DA, there was a stretch when we were 3-65 (mid-sept '76 to mid-sept '82). I guess that means my time at NU (84-88) going 11-32-1 was pretty good; and my all-time win% of .440 isn't too bad over 1.3 "years" (that is if it was a game a day - 498 games)

Of course, all of this is a bit odd since we don't really define a "modern era" of CFB. Look at our impressive 1896 season (1st year of what was to become the B1G) -- we really took it to Armour Institute:
(don't sleep on CP&S https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1896_Chicago_Physicians_and_Surgeons_football_team)

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At the heart of the DA, there was a stretch when we were 3-65 (mid-sept '76 to mid-sept '82). I guess that means my time at NU (84-88) going 11-32-1 was pretty good; and my all-time win% of .440 isn't too bad over 1.3 "years" (that is if it was a game a day - 498 games)

Of course, all of this is a bit odd since we don't really define a "modern era" of CFB. Look at our impressive 1896 season (1st year of what was to become the B1G) -- we really took it to Armour Institute:
(don't sleep on CP&S https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1896_Chicago_Physicians_and_Surgeons_football_team)

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Padding the schedule with local high school, some weekend warriors maybe, and some med students. Nice!
 

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Padding the schedule with local high school, some weekend warriors maybe, and some med students. Nice!
THat 16-0 undefeated Yale team had 5 local city amateur clubs -basically social beer league ball for retired Ivy League players who were launching their business and law careers a few years after being on roster - wins. You'll find HS teams on many early champion schedules.
 

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THat 16-0 undefeated Yale team had 5 local city amateur clubs -basically social beer league ball for retired Ivy League players who were launching their business and law careers a few years after being on roster - wins. You'll find HS teams on many early champion schedules.
My favorite in that vein is the 1894 Northwestern team that on paper was a middling 4-5, but split a pair of games with Lake Forest, lost 148-0 aggregate to U-Chicago and Illinois across multiple games, and bought their "respectable" record by defeating Evanston High School three times.

Take that, townies.
 

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My favorite in that vein is the 1894 Northwestern team that on paper was a middling 4-5, but split a pair of games with Lake Forest, lost 148-0 aggregate to U-Chicago and Illinois across multiple games, and bought their "respectable" record by defeating Evanston High School three times.

Take that, townies.
This is no laughing matter.

The relationship between NU and the city of Evanston has never recovered since that fateful season.
 
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Fun fact about IU - the second-best team in Hoosier history, and the last time they had an undefeated season in football was 1945, when they went 9-0-1 while winning the Western Conference.

The one tie? 7-7 against Pappy Waldorf's NU. It was a home game for us, and you can watch a soundless video here: https://dc.library.northwestern.edu/items/90df9f63-0d25-4e2f-828b-3bde57581551. The 'Cats are in white, identified by the Northwestern striping on the sleeves. Our points were scored on a blocked punt, and IU got a touchdown late in the 4th quarter.

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Fun fact about IU - the second-best team in Hoosier history, and the last time they had an undefeated season in football was 1945, when they went 9-0-1 while winning the Western Conference.

The one tie? 7-7 against Pappy Waldorf's NU. It was a home game for us, and you can watch a soundless video here: https://dc.library.northwestern.edu/items/90df9f63-0d25-4e2f-828b-3bde57581551. The 'Cats are in white, identified by the Northwestern striping on the sleeves. Our points were scored on a blocked punt, and IU got a touchdown late in the 4th quarter.

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So hysterical! Todays rosters are brought to you by cigarettes!! Such a different era.
 

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Both clearly autistic
Not even close. Go watch John Harbaugh to see the true autist. Cignetti is just heart-attack-serious and completely emotionally level all the time. Mendoza is just an articulate and kinda excitable goofball and kinda a nerd honestly. We all probably know a bunch of people like that in our real lives, we just don't expect our star athletes to behave like that.
 

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Not even close. Go watch John Harbaugh to see the true autist. Cignetti is just heart-attack-serious and completely emotionally level all the time. Mendoza is just an articulate and kinda excitable goofball and kinda a nerd honestly. We all probably know a bunch of people like that in our real lives, we just don't expect our star athletes to behave like that.
Obviously it’s a very broad spectrum, but I recognize a LOT of similarities between their behaviors and those of my autistic brother.
 

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Not even close. Go watch John Harbaugh to see the true autist. Cignetti is just heart-attack-serious and completely emotionally level all the time. Mendoza is just an articulate and kinda excitable goofball and kinda a nerd honestly. We all probably know a bunch of people like that in our real lives, we just don't expect our star athletes to behave like that.

Jim Harbaugh is even more on the spectrum.
 
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Not even close. Go watch John Harbaugh to see the true autist. Cignetti is just heart-attack-serious and completely emotionally level all the time. Mendoza is just an articulate and kinda excitable goofball and kinda a nerd honestly. We all probably know a bunch of people like that in our real lives, we just don't expect our star athletes to behave like that.
I'm not an expert but I've definitely assumed Harbaugh and Cignetti are both on the spectrum. I don't believe Mendoza is at all but again, not an expert.
 

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I understand that people don’t think using the label “autistic” is meant with a negative connotation, but as a father of a profoundly autistic child (and by extension knowing many other autistic individuals) I feel that the term is used and accepted in ways that are not tolerated for other diagnoses, orientations, etc.
- to label people you don’t know personally just based on watching video clips (celebrities etc.)
- to humorously categorize or poke fun at people with certain personality traits
- even people casually self diagnosing as autistic can “dilute the spectrum” and also give disproportionate and/or inaccurate voice to the community at the expense of those who literally don’t have a voice.

No matter the intention, the label paints and reduces them in some way which is almost never really positive and if we’re honest usually is used somewhat flippantly. We don’t use the R word anymore but this is sort of a pseudo sophisticated version.
 

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I understand that people don’t think using the label “autistic” is meant with a negative connotation, but as a father of a profoundly autistic child (and by extension knowing many other autistic individuals) I feel that the term is used and accepted in ways that are not tolerated for other diagnoses, orientations, etc.
- to label people you don’t know personally just based on watching video clips (celebrities etc.)
- to humorously categorize or poke fun at people with certain personality traits
- even people casually self diagnosing as autistic can “dilute the spectrum” and also give disproportionate and/or inaccurate voice to the community at the expense of those who literally don’t have a voice.

No matter the intention, the label paints and reduces them in some way which is almost never really positive and if we’re honest usually is used somewhat flippantly. We don’t use the R word anymore but this is sort of a pseudo sophisticated version.
You can thank the DSM V for this confusion. I agree that there is a distinct difference between moderate or severe autism and “mild autism” (previously classified as Asperger’s).

DSM V replaced this distinction with the too general Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Cignetti and Harbaugh would likely have been classified as having Asperger’s before - which makes sense as that was the doctor who noticed that some children were like “little professors”. It’s also even more likely they both have OCD (a lot of head coaches & coordinators do), and there’s overlap between these two and ADHD.

I’m an engineer by education and a large majority of us are somewhere on the spectrum (mild autism / Asperger’s), and I disagree that there is such a negative association between being called or considered Autistic than the old R word (which is an offensive slur).

But I do agree that people should not diagnose people or strangers like this. Mental health - and health in general - is too sensitive a subject.
 

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You can thank the DSM V for this confusion. I agree that there is a distinct difference between moderate or severe autism and “mild autism” (previously classified as Asperger’s).

DSM V replaced this distinction with the too general Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Cignetti and Harbaugh would likely have been classified as having Asperger’s before - which makes sense as that was the doctor who noticed that some children were like “little professors”. It’s also even more likely they both have OCD (a lot of head coaches & coordinators do), and there’s overlap between these two and ADHD.

I’m an engineer by education and a large majority of us are somewhere on the spectrum (mild autism / Asperger’s), and I disagree that there is such a negative association between being called or considered Autistic than the old R word (which is an offensive slur).

But I do agree that people should not diagnose people or strangers like this. Mental health - and health in general - is too sensitive a subject.
Also an engineer by education and because of your closing point I’d emphasize that it is reductionist to say that the majority of engineers are somewhere on the spectrum. Having an association with certain social and analytical traits does not mean causation. I agree the DSM V was not helpful in this regard because this becomes the dominant voice and portrayal of autism which can be harmful when people (including those with high functioning or self diagnosed autism) say it’s not a disorder that needs treatment, research funding etc. (this does happen)
 

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Also an engineer by education and because of your closing point I’d emphasize that it is reductionist to say that the majority of engineers are somewhere on the spectrum. Having an association with certain social and analytical traits does not mean causation. I agree the DSM V was not helpful in this regard because this becomes the dominant voice and portrayal of autism which can be harmful when people (including those with high functioning or self diagnosed autism) say it’s not a disorder that needs treatment, research funding etc. (this does happen)
I’m not just speculating. Studies have shown that the engineering profession has the highest rate of autism.


 

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I’m not just speculating. Studies have shown that the engineering profession has the highest rate of autism.


Those data don’t support that a “large majority” of engineers as you said have autism. It is still a minority though higher than non engineers. Moreover your particular references are of an abbreviated questionnaire study of “autistic traits,” not the extensive diagnostic battery that is used to actually establish a clinical diagnosis of autism. Anyway, I should wrap up my tangential posts here.
 

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Those data don’t support that a “large majority” of engineers as you said have autism. It is still a minority though higher than non engineers. Moreover your particular references are of an abbreviated questionnaire study of “autistic traits,” not the extensive diagnostic battery that is used to actually establish a clinical diagnosis of autism. Anyway, I should wrap up my tangential posts here.
Posted in a hurry - “large majority” was a bit of a hyperbole.

But I would get at least half of all the engineers are somewhere on the spectrum, even if mild such as myself.