Jan Jensen on player development (and fans needing to be patient)

Franisdaman

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Jan Jensen referenced Ava Heiden's growth story when assessing the breakout performance tonight from Addie Deal (18 pts, 7-9 FG, 4-4 3FG in 74-66 win over Oregon).

“It didn't surprise me at all. I really believe in letting them develop. I really believe that if we can continue to progress – and I know Addie, what she's made of. And sometimes you have to go through a little adversity. You get a little hungrier. You’re really paying attention to detail. Those competitive juices get flowing. I knew it was a matter of time. And you can say, ‘Give them minutes right away.’ It’s not arbitrary.

“And that's the beautiful thing about sport. You can debate it, and we can be on our couches, and we can rewind it in film rooms and have these different concepts and ideas of how you would do it. But I believe the Iowa women's basketball culture is so good because everybody is valued. Everybody matters. Everybody is competing.


“With Addie, this is what I was hoping for her. I did not expect it from Day 1. I didn't. I'm glad that she did. I'm glad that everybody did. But this game is bigger, it's faster, it's stronger.

“The progression, sometimes you’ve just got to let it play out, and then they come out and they're so confident when they have worked so hard, and they're understanding it. They've worked out with strength coaches, they've worked out with position coaches. That’s a really cool part of the story.”

(Here's the Heiden story, for those interested.)


 

pablow

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Jan Jensen referenced Ava Heiden's growth story when assessing the breakout performance tonight from Addie Deal (18 pts, 7-9 FG, 4-4 3FG in 74-66 win over Oregon).

“It didn't surprise me at all. I really believe in letting them develop. I really believe that if we can continue to progress – and I know Addie, what she's made of. And sometimes you have to go through a little adversity. You get a little hungrier. You’re really paying attention to detail. Those competitive juices get flowing. I knew it was a matter of time. And you can say, ‘Give them minutes right away.’ It’s not arbitrary.

“And that's the beautiful thing about sport. You can debate it, and we can be on our couches, and we can rewind it in film rooms and have these different concepts and ideas of how you would do it. But I believe the Iowa women's basketball culture is so good because everybody is valued. Everybody matters. Everybody is competing.

“With Addie, this is what I was hoping for her. I did not expect it from Day 1. I didn't. I'm glad that she did. I'm glad that everybody did. But this game is bigger, it's faster, it's stronger.


“The progression, sometimes you’ve just got to let it play out, and then they come out and they're so confident when they have worked so hard, and they're understanding it. They've worked out with strength coaches, they've worked out with position coaches. That’s a really cool part of the story.”

(Here's the Heiden story, for those interested.)



Jan is handling Deal's rookie season much better than she handled Ava's.
 

Head Guy

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You beat me to it
I think she is handling it better because with Deal everyone had her on such a pedestal that all she could do is fall off and I remember Jan saying day 1 that patience was the key but in todays world most people especially fan basis dont have patience. You have a very high profile HS player that in all honesty Jan is trying to take the pressure off of because she is finding out the game is so much faster than HS and she is still adjusting to it in so many facets of the game. She is going to be an outstanding player as her knowledge of the game is already above others but the other skills of defense and ball handling will need to catch up being a guard and they will. I personally think the most improvement athletes make is from year 1 to year 2 because it takes a full year to see what your up against and what you need to do, just a full year of maturity is huge. Everyone wants her to have successes and play more minutes and some want her to start from day 1 just because she was a prized recruit and that's great but just throwing her to the wolves and struggle with turnovers and such isn't going to help her confidence but playing her in spurts with success will. She is going to win a game or two this year for us i have no doubt but what she is going to do in the future is what really excites me about her and the team.
 
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Kceasthawk@77

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So you are saying that she is ahead of Caitlin's start?
Hardly. Its just that NO Iowa freshman has scored more then 18 points in a B1G game since that tourney game in the 2020-2021 season. Now point of fact CC22 had 21 points in that game, (one of her lower scoring games that season). She AVERAGED just under 27/gm, only scored less then 20 like 3 times, and had NINE 30+ point games her freshman season. Of course Paige B still won NPOTY with way less stats because she played for UConn, but thats another discussion.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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I think she is handling it better because with Deal everyone had her on such a pedestal that all she could do is fall off and I remember Jan saying day 1 that patience was the key but in todays world most people especially fan basis dont have patience. You have a very high profile HS player that in all honesty Jan is trying to take the pressure off of because she is finding out the game is so much faster than HS and she is still adjusting to it in so many facets of the game. She is going to be an outstanding player as her knowledge of the game is already above others but the other skills of defense and ball handling will need to catch up being a guard and they will. I personally think the most improvement athletes make is from year 1 to year 2 because it takes a full year to see what your up against and what you need to do, just a full year of maturity is huge. Everyone wants her to have successes and play more minutes and some want her to start from day 1 just because she was a prized recruit and that's great but just throwing her to the wolves and struggle with turnovers and such isn't going to help her confidence but playing her in spurts with success will. She is going to win a game or two this year for us i have no doubt but what she is going to do in the future is what really excites me about her and the team.
All good points. My main thought in her having a chance to progress more by more minutes is just that we have a real need at that 2/3 spot for someone who can score from each level and create some offense for herself. I truly believe IF she progresses she's easily the player on our roster with the greatest chance to raise the ceiling for what the entire team can do come March.
 

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Agree, if she progresses she could become this years Heiden and make a large contribution for rest of season. Her ceiling is higher than any other on the roster, hope she gets more minutes and best wishes for more success. As I proofread this I should have said, "yeah what he said!"

sorry, replying to post #11
 
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Jonesy5960

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I think she is handling it better because with Deal everyone had her on such a pedestal that all she could do is fall off and I remember Jan saying day 1 that patience was the key but in todays world most people especially fan basis dont have patience. You have a very high profile HS player that in all honesty Jan is trying to take the pressure off of because she is finding out the game is so much faster than HS and she is still adjusting to it in so many facets of the game. She is going to be an outstanding player as her knowledge of the game is already above others but the other skills of defense and ball handling will need to catch up being a guard and they will. I personally think the most improvement athletes make is from year 1 to year 2 because it takes a full year to see what your up against and what you need to do, just a full year of maturity is huge. Everyone wants her to have successes and play more minutes and some want her to start from day 1 just because she was a prized recruit and that's great but just throwing her to the wolves and struggle with turnovers and such isn't going to help her confidence but playing her in spurts with success will. She is going to win a game or two this year for us i have no doubt but what she is going to do in the future is what really excites me about her and the team.
So I don't disagree with any of what you said, but how is this better than how she handled Heiden. That was the comparison that was made.
 

Ebw

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I am referring to the post of fransdaman. If that was an attempt at humor it failed miserably.
 

kwik44

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I think she is handling it better because with Deal everyone had her on such a pedestal that all she could do is fall off and I remember Jan saying day 1 that patience was the key but in todays world most people especially fan basis dont have patience. You have a very high profile HS player that in all honesty Jan is trying to take the pressure off of because she is finding out the game is so much faster than HS and she is still adjusting to it in so many facets of the game. She is going to be an outstanding player as her knowledge of the game is already above others but the other skills of defense and ball handling will need to catch up being a guard and they will. I personally think the most improvement athletes make is from year 1 to year 2 because it takes a full year to see what your up against and what you need to do, just a full year of maturity is huge. Everyone wants her to have successes and play more minutes and some want her to start from day 1 just because she was a prized recruit and that's great but just throwing her to the wolves and struggle with turnovers and such isn't going to help her confidence but playing her in spurts with success will. She is going to win a game or two this year for us i have no doubt but what she is going to do in the future is what really excites me about her and the team.
I can see ur point, but I’d contend she needed to play Heiden to create depth at the position. There were a few times fouls made them dig deep to try & stay in the game.



Btw - a WOB sighting is always something to behold. You must capture it for further observation.
 
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nu2u

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Just wait until Woliczko gets here. The level of expectation is off the charts. I foresee a similar “learning curve” level of adjustment, perhaps less of a struggle but a few early WTF or MIA freshman games.
 
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Franisdaman

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I am referring to the post of fransdaman. If that was an attempt at humor it failed miserably.

I was just referring to all of the hard fouls that are committed on CC (that you don't see against other younger players)
 
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Ebw

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Appreciate your response. I am on ol geezer and in this “new world” I have a tendency to read to much into what I read
That’s why I appreciate your clarification!
 

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Heiden played extremely well last year filling in injured Hannah on the road trip to Oregon and Washington. Upon returning to Iowa City, Ava was basically benched for a 10 games stretch that lasted over a month. Here are the stats -

Northwestern (1/28) - 0 minutes
USC (2/2) - 0 minutes
Minnesota (2/6) - 0 minutes
Nebraska (2/10) - 13 minutes
Rutgers (2/13) - 2 minutes
Ohio State (2/17) - 0 minutes
UCLA (2/23) - 0 minutes
Michigan (2/26) – 6 minutes
Wisconsin (3/2) 3 minutes
Wisconsin (3/5) 8 minutes [in an Iowa blowout!]

That's 3.2 minutes a games averaged in those games. For perspective, this year only Jada and Kenise average less and our three freshmen are averaging 14 minutes a game and none have a zero minute game.

All and all, last year Ava did not play at all in 6 game and was on the court less than 3 minutes in an additional 5 games.

Thankfully, Ava is so irrepressible that she came through like a champ. Many recruits under similar circumstances would have hit the road.

So yes, I think Jan is doing much better with Deal.
 

Jonesy5960

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Heiden played extremely well last year filling in injured Hannah on the road trip to Oregon and Washington. Upon returning to Iowa City, Ava was basically benched for a 10 games stretch that lasted over a month. Here are the stats -

Northwestern (1/28) - 0 minutes
USC (2/2) - 0 minutes
Minnesota (2/6) - 0 minutes
Nebraska (2/10) - 13 minutes
Rutgers (2/13) - 2 minutes
Ohio State (2/17) - 0 minutes
UCLA (2/23) - 0 minutes
Michigan (2/26) – 6 minutes
Wisconsin (3/2) 3 minutes
Wisconsin (3/5) 8 minutes [in an Iowa blowout!]

That's 3.2 minutes a games averaged in those games. For perspective, this year only Jada and Kenise average less and our three freshmen are averaging 14 minutes a game and none have a zero minute game.

All and all, last year Ava did not play at all in 6 game and was on the court less than 3 minutes in an additional 5 games.

Thankfully, Ava is so irrepressible that she came through like a champ. Many recruits under similar circumstances would have hit the road.

So yes, I think Jan is doing much better with Deal.
I wasn't aware of this. I do remember Ava looking great in the post season last year.
 

Kceasthawk@77

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Heiden played extremely well last year filling in injured Hannah on the road trip to Oregon and Washington. Upon returning to Iowa City, Ava was basically benched for a 10 games stretch that lasted over a month. Here are the stats -

Northwestern (1/28) - 0 minutes
USC (2/2) - 0 minutes
Minnesota (2/6) - 0 minutes
Nebraska (2/10) - 13 minutes
Rutgers (2/13) - 2 minutes
Ohio State (2/17) - 0 minutes
UCLA (2/23) - 0 minutes
Michigan (2/26) – 6 minutes
Wisconsin (3/2) 3 minutes
Wisconsin (3/5) 8 minutes [in an Iowa blowout!]

That's 3.2 minutes a games averaged in those games. For perspective, this year only Jada and Kenise average less and our three freshmen are averaging 14 minutes a game and none have a zero minute game.

All and all, last year Ava did not play at all in 6 game and was on the court less than 3 minutes in an additional 5 games.

Thankfully, Ava is so irrepressible that she came through like a champ. Many recruits under similar circumstances would have hit the road.

So yes, I think Jan is doing much better with Deal.
She struggled with it. Chad did a really nice article about Ava recently. She admitted that after the Drake game where she played only the last minute she was really down and in a dark place. Her comment was "I was a bad team mate that night". She couldn't feel happy about AOG's career night, (27 and 10 boards). On the bus ride back from Des Moines she didn't say a word to anyone. Later that night she decided that she never wanted to feel that way again, and she got in the gym and took out her frustrations there. What we see from her now is a result of the work she put in that started that night.
 

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Btw - a WOB sighting is always something to behold. You must capture it for further observation.
From a distance "fan basis" has a real chance of being a new WOB species. However you are right, until it is captured and tagged there's no way of knowing if it's a true WOB or a simple spelling mistake.
 

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Heiden should have played a lot more last year, not just towards the end. It was obvious when she finally played that she hadn't been playing nearly enough


It was more likely it finally clicked for her. Joan brought her along well and the same is true for Deal