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I love how because I don't spend all of my time complaining about things I can't control that means I have substandard personal or professional outcomes. Quite frankly, it's the opposite. I control my personal and professional outcomes so those are where I focus my energy.

I use this forum for entertainment, not to pretend I can affect change at the University of Nebraska. It isn't like politics where I have a vote and a say. The amount of money I choose to donate to the university's athletic department isn't enough to have a building named after me or have a seat at the table when it comes decisions made within the department.

I cannot control who the AD hires, who he fires, how people that want to use their millions to fund the program, spend their money.- What Mike Ekeler does with his career. I can have an opinions and express them on message board but is it really going to change anything? Is me being pissed off really going to change Dannon's or Rhule's mind?

It is Rhule's job to use the money allocated to him on the players he wants to spend them on. If he fails that is on him. Honestly though, even with top 15 everything that you believe Nebraska has, why would I believe that top level players would come to Nebraska over other programs that are winning? People, apparently like you, have a much greater opinion of the state of the program than the current players do. This program has been below average for 11 years and stagnate for 13 years prior to that. I am sure we all want better results.
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Top 15 investment should equal top 15 return, or people need fired and leadership needs replaced. Results speak. Its really pretty simple.

Who is focusing on the past now? How hypocritical. What impact do the last 23 years have on what we are spending and doing today? What impact does it have on kids that weren't even alive then? We should be hiring coaches of caliber relative to whats they are being paid. And that caliber of coach delivers results.
 
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BeaverSlayerReincarnated69 said:
Top 15 investment should equal top 15 return, or people need fired and leadership needs replaced. Results speak. Its really pretty simple.

Who is focusing on the past now? How hypocritical. What impact do the last 23 years have on what we are spending and doing today? What impact does it have on kids that weren't even alive then? We should be hiring coaches of caliber relative to whats they are being paid. And that caliber of coach delivers results.
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Are you on the leadership team that is going to replace those who aren't meeting the results you believe is required? Do you know what the actual leadership is using to as a gauge to measure those they are charged with? Me neither

Focusing on the past is not the same as knowing where you are in the overall scheme of things. The impact, as it pertains to the kids that weren't alive then, is they only see Nebraska as some random Big Ten team, like Minnesota, like Iowa, like Michigan St. 23 years ago Nebraska was more in a group with Ohio St. and Michigan, fans still believe that Nebraska is still in that group, newsflash, they aren't. Which leads me to the rebuttal of Indiana that you are, no doubt, going to bring up. Indiana had zero expectations for their football program. When they hired Cignetti, he was allowed to come in and change whatever he wanted because no one cared. There was no history that fans and administration were hanging on to. The coaches that have been hired by Nebraska had to answer to what Tom Osborne and Bob Devaney accomplished. If they didn't run the ball enough it was a strike, if they wanted to cut Johnny Tryhard from Alliance, it was ridiculed because "Tom won titles with kids mostly from the instate". There was the required meeting with Tom Osborne to get his "approval". Constantly answering to what Osborne did and would Osborne approve of this is what doomed Frost from the beginning in my opinion. Honestly, I don't think he wanted the job but he felt the pressure to "come home". I think alot of people that are from here that ended up taking jobs, didn't really want the job. That is why they don't come back.
 
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RealTucoSalamanca said:
Are you on the leadership team that is going to replace those who aren't meeting the results you believe is required? Do you know what the actual leadership is using to as a gauge to measure those they are charged with? Me neither

Focusing on the past is not the same as knowing where you are in the overall scheme of things. The impact, as it pertains to the kids that weren't alive then, is they only see Nebraska as some random Big Ten team, like Minnesota, like Iowa, like Michigan St. 23 years ago Nebraska was more in a group with Ohio St. and Michigan, fans still believe that Nebraska is still in that group, newsflash, they aren't. Which leads me to the rebuttal of Indiana that you are, no doubt, going to bring up. Indiana had zero expectations for their football program. When they hired Cignetti, he was allowed to come in and change whatever he wanted because no one cared. There was no history that fans and administration were hanging on to. The coaches that have been hired by Nebraska had to answer to what Tom Osborne and Bob Devaney accomplished. If they didn't run the ball enough it was a strike, if they wanted to cut Johnny Tryhard from Alliance, it was ridiculed because "Tom won titles with kids mostly from the instate". There was the required meeting with Tom Osborne to get his "approval". Constantly answering to what Osborne did and would Osborne approve of this is what doomed Frost from the beginning in my opinion. Honestly, I don't think he wanted the job but he felt the pressure to "come home". I think alot of people that are from here that ended up taking jobs, didn't really want the job. That is why they don't come back.
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Talk about mental gymnastics and straw men...I didnt ask or say any of those things. How do we cover Cignetti, Osborne and Frost?

My argument is extremely simple. In the PRESENT, we have shiny toys(facilities), coaching salary dollars. NIL. Stadium. Fan support. And unholy supplemental amenities like nutrition and sports science......A coach worthy of the dollars we spent, should be able to hire a staff worthy of the salary pool given, and they should be able to produce results relative to the dollars being spent. Our facilities and resources combined with NIL should allow us to build a roster of talent relative to where our staff and resources rank.

If those things are not being met, then the leadership should change. If our results have been so lack luster that resources and money cant get talent to look past the previous years w/l record, then that staff has already failed and should be replaced.

Its not hard. Success relative to dollars.

Has nothing to do with the past, Frost, Cignetti, Osborne or however else you can loop the loop here....
 
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Is Eckeler head coaching material someday or does he have to be at least a coordinator first?
 
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BeaverSlayerReincarnated69 said:
Talk about mental gymnastics and straw men...I didnt ask or say any of those things. How do we cover Cignetti, Osborne and Frost?

My argument is extremely simple. In the PRESENT, we have shiny toys(facilities), coaching salary dollars. NIL. Stadium. Fan support. And unholy supplemental amenities like nutrition and sports science......A coach worthy of the dollars we spent, should be able to hire a staff worthy of the salary pool given, and they should be able to produce results relative to the dollars being spent. Our facilities and resources combined with NIL should allow us to build a roster of talent relative to where our staff and resources rank.

If those things are not being met, then the leadership should change. If our results have been so lack luster that resources and money cant get talent to look past the previous years w/l record, then that staff has already failed and should be replaced.

Its not hard. Success relative to dollars.

Has nothing to do with the past, Frost, Cignetti, Osborne or however else you can loop the loop here....
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I have the ability to tie multiple posts together, You had opinions on history, questioned what kids that weren't born when Nebraska was a real player had to do with anything, now it is shiny new toys and everything else.

The relative success or lack of success is all intertwined. Shiny new toys are fun to look at but if you want to play for titles players will go to a school with slightly less shiny toys if they are going to win. They will even take less money to play at a school that is winning.

If success is relative to dollars the Yankees would win every other world series and the Dodgers the other year. The Cowboys would be 55 time Super Bowl champs and Texas and Texas A&M would play for the CFP title every year.
 
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If Eckeler leaves because he wants to coach more than just Special Teams and we don’t have any positions open, then I guess there isn’t a lot we can do. I would like him to stay but it is what it is.

If Eckeler does leave then I really hope we get someone very competent (like a Bill Busch) to coach Special Teams. It is a vital part of the game and can’t be overlooked.

If Foley comes back to coach Special Teams, then I won’t be watching anymore of this $hitshow until Rhule is gone. Seriously…I really do think that little of Foley!
 
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If Eckeler leaves because he wants to coach more than just Special Teams and we don’t have any positions open, then I guess there isn’t a lot we can do. I would like him to stay but it is what it is.

If Eckeler does leave then I really hope we get someone very competent (like a Bill Busch) to coach Special Teams. It is a vital part of the game and can’t be overlooked.

If Foley comes back to coach Special Teams, then I won’t be watching anymore of this $hitshow until Rhule is gone. Seriously…I really do think that little of Foley!
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Foley will expedite Rhules firing
 
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RealTucoSalamanca said:
I have the ability to tie multiple posts together, You had opinions on history, questioned what kids that weren't born when Nebraska was a real player had to do with anything, now it is shiny new toys and everything else.

The relative success or lack of success is all intertwined. Shiny new toys are fun to look at but if you want to play for titles players will go to a school with slightly less shiny toys if they are going to win. They will even take less money to play at a school that is winning.

If success is relative to dollars the Yankees would win every other world series and the Dodgers the other year. The Cowboys would be 55 time Super Bowl champs and Texas and Texas A&M would play for the CFP title every year.
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My comments on kids not being bored.....was in response to the last time you went on a rant(about the past that YOU said didnt matter). Dont spin this on me lol. You are literally contradicting yourself with every reply.

Yes, coaches and teams need to show momentum or progress to get talent to overlook some warts....Thats why keeping Rhule seems hopeless. If we are supposedly throwing top dollar at players and they dont trust Rhule enough to look past some losses, or see a future with more wins. Then he has already lost the war.

The Yankees and the Dodgers do essentially take turns playing for titles. They always make the post season. They often carry the best records in baseball through the regular season....thats a terrible example for you.
 
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HuskerInCarolina said:
seems kinda weird those guys would leave with Ek or find their own things. But maybe they like it here.
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Money, title and promotion would keep them here. Anything less than a coordinator position and big money and you are right, they would leave.

If Eckeler leaves, maybe we can get Will Compton to advise who to hire again. I don’t trust the guy who brought us Satterfield, Foley, kept Donnie, hired a teenager WR coach, and the joke of a DC we just had. Matt’s hubris is going to do him in. He seemed to think he was so good, the staff choices weren’t as critical as they are. He now has a wake up call. Honeymoon is over and he needs a great staff more than most.
 
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RealTucoSalamanca said:
Or they are tired of being an Ekeler tag along
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Of the three guys listed as Special Teams with Ekeler, only 1 has coached with Ekeler previously (Nick Humphrey) and he was a grad assistant. Did Ek bring anyone else over? Josh Martin has been here since Rhule was hired, and made $100k last year. Maher came in under Foley.
 
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BeaverSlayerReincarnated69 said:
My comments on kids not being bored.....was in response to the last time you went on a rant(about the past that YOU said didnt matter). Dont spin this on me lol. You are literally contradicting yourself with every reply.

Yes, coaches and teams need to show momentum or progress to get talent to overlook some warts....Thats why keeping Rhule seems hopeless. If we are supposedly throwing top dollar at players and they dont trust Rhule enough to look past some losses, or see a future with more wins. Then he has already lost the war.

The Yankees and the Dodgers do essentially take turns playing for titles. They always make the post season. They often carry the best records in baseball through the regular season....thats a terrible example for you.
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yankees haven't won a title since 2009. before 2020 resurgence the Dodgers hadn't won a WS since 1988 Cowboys haven't won a SB since 1995,
 
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RealTucoSalamanca said:
yankees haven't won a title since 2009. before 2020 resurgence the Dodgers hadn't won a WS since 1988 Cowboys haven't won a SB since 1995,
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What changed in 2020 for the Dodgers? More money and resources.

Yeah the Yankees havent won since 2009, but you specifically mentioned the Yankees and Dodgers who make up 3/4 of the last 2 World series.....what a dumb argument. Like making the WS isnt relevant or successful?

If NU were making the playoffs, but losing, nobody would be wringing their hands about Matt Rhule for a decade
 
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Foley will expedite Rhules firing
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If Rhule reinstates Foley to Special Teams Coordinator then yes, Rhule has slit his own wrist.

Foley has singlehandedly lost multiple games while coaching Special Teams at Nebraska. His units were sloppy, undisciplined, unreliable, couldn’t tackle, only did fair catches. He has NO BUSINESS coaching here!
 
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The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy_Behind_The_Guy said:
If Rhule reinstates Foley to Special Teams Coordinator then yes, Rhule has slit his own wrist.

Foley has singlehandedly lost multiple games while coaching Special Teams at Nebraska. His units were sloppy, undisciplined, unreliable, couldn’t tackle, only did fair catches. He has NO BUSINESS coaching here!
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Looks like he's still employed by Nebraska as Director of Football Relations. I wonder if that's because his contract as special teams coordinator has yet to expire.

Edit: His contract as special teams coordinator expired on December 31, 2024. So, Rhule game him a new position and a new contract after that.
 
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What changed in 2020 for the Dodgers? More money and resources.

Yeah the Yankees havent won since 2009, but you specifically mentioned the Yankees and Dodgers who make up 3/4 of the last 2 World series.....what a dumb argument. Like making the WS isnt relevant or successful?

If NU were making the playoffs, but losing, nobody would be wringing their hands about Matt Rhule for a decade
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Completely agree, if we were making the playoffs nobody would have a gripe with Rhule until we lost in the playoffs 3 years in a row. Personally, I just want to be in the playoffs. Anything can happen from there. That needs to be the benchmark IMO. Especially if/once the playoff field gets expanded to 16 or 24. Making the playoffs should be the baseline expectation for a program with top 15-20 resources/facilities/etc.

Add to it, the dodgers have made the playoffs every year since 2013 season began. 13 straight appearances with 12 NL West Pennants, 5 NL Championships and 3 World Series Championships.

THAT is what money and competent coaching will do for you.
Consistently get you championship caliber results.

With that.....

GOOOOOOOOOO DODGERS!!!

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Ship is sinking just gonna be a long 2 years for fans until Rhule is gone. Not that I have any faith they will hire anyone better. Track record sucks but they love seeing that full stadium.
 
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HuskerInCarolina said:
Of the three guys listed as Special Teams with Ekeler, only 1 has coached with Ekeler previously (Nick Humphrey) and he was a grad assistant. Did Ek bring anyone else over? Josh Martin has been here since Rhule was hired, and made $100k last year. Maher came in under Foley.
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my bad it was just Humphrey that came over with Ekeler.
 
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So Rhule hires all these assistants coaches for different positions but he’s not going to hire a special teams coordinator he said it would be an internal hire. I’ve supported him I’m wavering but some of his decisions this off season are flat out head scratching no running back in the portal no tight end but turns around and hires another coach to coach safeties. Sadly thats what happens when your in quicksand and sinking
 
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Such a sign of mediocrity at the leadership level to see guys like White and Eckler leave, while Satterfield, Foley, and a few others stay (so far).
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It’s not that White and Eckler are the greatest coaches in the world. It’s that they were likely the best coaches on the staff and they leave while we keep so many duds. Seemed pretty obvious that Eckler was leaving by listening to Rhule’s comments. Those are not two guys who seemed very close, which again is a poor reflection on the leader in my opinion.
 
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Such a sign of mediocrity at the leadership level to see guys like White and Eckler leave, while Satterfield, Foley, and a few others stay (so far).
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It’s not that White and Eckler are the greatest coaches in the world. It’s that they were likely the best coaches on the staff and they leave while we keep so many duds. Seemed pretty obvious that Eckler was leaving by listening to Rhule’s comments. Those are not two guys who seemed very close, which again is a poor reflection on the leader in my opinion.
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Phil snow and Glen Thomas as well
 
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This tells me we have bad issues between our walls if he is leaving after one year.
 
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Such a sign of mediocrity at the leadership level to see guys like White and Eckler leave, while Satterfield, Foley, and a few others stay (so far).
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It’s not that White and Eckler are the greatest coaches in the world. It’s that they were likely the best coaches on the staff and they leave while we keep so many duds. Seemed pretty obvious that Eckler was leaving by listening to Rhule’s comments. Those are not two guys who seemed very close, which again is a poor reflection on the leader in my opinion.
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I’ve been there in my career (not as a football coach of course) but when management keeps non-productive employees around it destroys the morale of those that are productive. Some bust their a$$ while others are leeches and the managers pets. If that is what is causing Eckler to leave well I support him. Heck I’d even help him pack up. Not everyone can stay in a workplace culture like that if that is what is going on.
 
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