Hire the Vandy Coach

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He hasn't won anything in the tournament lol. I know he's the hot name right now, but let's see how far he makes it in the tourney and come back around.

Next coach MUST have at least 1 final four that can also recruit and has the personality for the job.

It blows my mind that no one considers the bigger picture anymore.
 

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Hmmm, while at JMU , previous to Vandy job, he did win the Sunbelt tournament and eliminated Wisconsin in the ncaa tournment to lose to Duke in MSQ.

i know him since I Iive in Virginia. He also beat UVa, MSU in Michigan while at JMU. He has family ties with Izzo and is very level headed coach . Different style than Pope.

his teams are guard oriented, play fast tempo and prepares the games very well based on opponent strengths and weaknesses.
He would not be a bad coach but he will require a premium to leave Vandy for Kentucky.
I was at that game when they beat MSU in Lansing. Mich state fans who were insufferable at the game were actually very respectful in defeat as they saw that JMU team go toe to toe with a legit MSU and even pulled it out after it went to overtime. I was at the Wisconsin tourney game where JMU controlled the game and were clearly the better team. Now at Vandy, he has a team in his 2nd year that is undefeated and top 5 in Kenpom. While I would personally love Mark at UK, that’s not something I think will happen. I am always going to bleed blue before all, but being able to see their success and how they’ve done it the right way, organically, with his guys and his belief in himself as a coach is something really cool. Fun fact: I was in the locker room with the players/staff during the selection show last year when they got in as a 10 seed. It’s super cool to see this stuff from the inside and the emotions playing out real time.
 

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He hasn't won anything in the tournament lol. I know he's the hot name right now, but let's see how far he makes it in the tourney and come back around.

Next coach MUST have at least 1 final four that can also recruit and has the personality for the job.

It blows my mind that no one considers the bigger picture anymore.
FYI, he started his career at Ga southern which was the bottom of the Sun Belt and turned them into a top team in the conference. He parlayed that into the JMU job (which wasn’t much better, but more money) and took the worst team in CAA to a conference championship in his first year and by year 4 they dominated the conference won a NCAA tournament game over wisconsin before losing to Duke. Year 1 at Vandy he took over a program that was in the doldrums under Stackhouse that was projected to finish last in the SEC and made the tourney as a 10 seed in the best conference of all-time. In year 2, he has them top 10 and possible favorites to win the SEC.

I understand his name and tournament success isn’t there yet to get that kind of respect, but any lack of wins in the NCAA tourney is simply a factor of circumstance. He’s going to be an elite coach for a long time. Listen to the analysts talk about his offensive mind. Listen to him explain his philosophy. Watch how his teams ALWAYS get good shots and plays aggressive on defense.
 

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Sorry, bro…

I know this sucks. Being a big basketball fan and having gone through a brutal stretch of 6-7 years, I know…

Hopefully y’all get it right and go on a run in March. I’m not as out on Pope as most of y’all are but maybe I’m being too naive.
yep, that's what a fan of an opposing team would say
"nah he's not that bad, y'all should keep him a few years"
 

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FYI, he started his career at Ga southern which was the bottom of the Sun Belt and turned them into a top team in the conference. He parlayed that into the JMU job (which wasn’t much better, but more money) and took the worst team in CAA to a conference championship in his first year and by year 4 they dominated the conference won a NCAA tournament game over wisconsin before losing to Duke. Year 1 at Vandy he took over a program that was in the doldrums under Stackhouse that was projected to finish last in the SEC and made the tourney as a 10 seed in the best conference of all-time. In year 2, he has them top 10 and possible favorites to win the SEC.

I understand his name and tournament success isn’t there yet to get that kind of respect, but any lack of wins in the NCAA tourney is simply a factor of circumstance. He’s going to be an elite coach for a long time. Listen to the analysts talk about his offensive mind. Listen to him explain his philosophy. Watch how his teams ALWAYS get good shots and plays aggressive on defense.
I don't care if he doesn't have but 1 NCAA tourney win..........you have to win regular season games to get to the tourney. Just watch his
team play. They play as a team, together. They play hard, they play defense and a never quit moving offense. They shoot 3 pointers & HIT them.
He is still undefeated, just beat Bama that thumped UK and is doing this WITHOUT any big name players. Not sure he would ever leave Vandy. They probably have as much or more $ than UK has to offer.

UK should hire the person responsible for hiring their basketball & football coaches. Maybe he could find some magic for UK
 
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I don't care if he doesn't have but 1 NCAA tourney win..........you have to win regular season games to get to the tourney. Just watch his
team play. They play as a team, together. They play hard, they play defense and a never quit moving offense. They shoot 3 pointers & HIT them.
He is still undefeated, just beat Bama that thumped UK and is doing this WITHOUT any big name players. Not sure he would ever leave Vandy. They probably have as much or more $ than UK has to offer.

UK should hire the person responsible for hiring their basketball & football coaches. Maybe he could find some magic for UK
When I watch Vandy play, I see a top-level coach. I don’t need to see tournament wins — Byington is going to be a big problem for the rest of the SEC for a long time. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I see special.
 

bnewt

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He hasn't won anything in the tournament lol. I know he's the hot name right now, but let's see how far he makes it in the tourney and come back around.

Next coach MUST have at least 1 final four that can also recruit and has the personality for the job.

It blows my mind that no one considers the bigger picture anymore.
so you would not take the Arizona coach if he wanted to come to UK
don't think he has a final four, but he is a good bench coach, recruiter & they are ranked #1
 

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so you would not take the Arizona coach if he wanted to come to UK
don't think he has a final four, but he is a good bench coach, recruiter & they are ranked #1
There are different tiered coaches.

Tier 1 = Final Four experience
Bruce Pearl
Nate Oats
Dusty May
Todd Golden

Tier 2A = How they conduct their program, coaching style, recruiting
Tommy Lloyd
T.J Oztelberger
Mark Byington
Joey McGuire
Fred Hoidburg

Tier 2B = Potential NBA Coaches
Frank Vogel
Mike Brown
Sam Cassell

Just made this list off the top of my head but its to prove a point. He's Tier 2 College coach as of now. Could he be a tier 1? Yeah if he gets Vandy to a Final Four this year.
 

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We do this every year. We clamor to hire the flavor of the week when things go bad. 2 years ago everyone wanted gates from Missouri. He’s ok…..but he ain’t Kentucky good. Neither is pope btw. But we gotta chill on the vandy guy
You need a guy who is consistently good. Someone who isn’t quite on top of the world but will be able to upgrade into something greater if he uses Kentucky’s resources. Hiring someone with one good year is how you end up with another Billy G.
 
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You need a guy who is consistently good. Someone who isn’t quite on top of the world but will be able to upgrade into something greater if he uses Kentucky’s resources. Hiring someone with one good year is how you end up with another Billy G.
Billy Gillispie didn’t have “one good year” though. First he took a UTEP team that was so bad they went 6-24 in year one. The very next year, he led them to a 24-8. That’s how he got the TXAM job right after. The year before BCG got there the Aggies went 7-21, but in one year BCG had them 21-10. He then led them to 22-9 and then 27-7. The man had serious issues that affected him and we never got the production that was expected, but he was as sure a coach as there was available when we hired him, outside of your Tom Izzo, Billy Donovan types. It just didn’t work out — he was, at that stage, an extremely hot coaching name.

Slightly off-topic but I find that saga fascinating. I occasionally watch the 2007 Big Blue Madness sheerly for the hilarity of how excited we were at that time.
 

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Billy Gillispie didn’t have “one good year” though. First he took a UTEP team that was so bad they went 6-24 in year one. The very next year, he led them to a 24-8. That’s how he got the TXAM job right after. The year before BCG got there the Aggies went 7-21, but in one year BCG had them 21-10. He then led them to 22-9 and then 27-7. The man had serious issues that affected him and we never got the production that was expected, but he was as sure a coach as there was available when we hired him, outside of your Tom Izzo, Billy Donovan types. It just didn’t work out — he was, at that stage, an extremely hot coaching name.

Slightly off-topic but I find that saga fascinating. I occasionally watch the 2007 Big Blue Madness sheerly for the hilarity of how excited we were at that time.
He made it to the round of 32 and then a Sweet 16 a year later. That’s not good enough to show consistency for a program like Kentucky.
 
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He made it to the round of 32 and then a Sweet 16 a year later. That’s not good enough to show consistency for a program like Kentucky.
I’m not saying he made final fours or anything like that. I’m saying he was a hot coaching name who had proven to have chops and had more than “one good year.” If we strike out on top names, which I believe is very possible, I wouldn’t want us to avoid making the swing for Byington because of Pope/Gillispie. That’s all I’m saying — there are plenty of reasons that we simply may not be able to get a coach who has already been to a Final Four. If we can’t, Byington would be amazing.
 

PhilipVU94

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you know we're a sensitive bunch at the moment. Having the freakin' conference chess team wax our asses across sports isn't a great place to be.
This made me smile. I have no idea why the wheel of fortune has turned our way except that apparently NIL is a bigger equalizer than we realized.

February 2024 you could have convinced me of any alternative to staying in the SEC -- ACC, CUSA, "Magnolia League", D3, go club-level. I get why y'all are despondent but your MBB program is never going to be as hopeless as ours looked at the end of the Jerry Stackhouse Experience. Maybe they're two different kinds of despondence.
 

PhilipVU94

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When I watch Vandy play, I see a top-level coach. I don’t need to see tournament wins — Byington is going to be a big problem for the rest of the SEC for a long time. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong but I see special.
If I'm an AD, I'm valuing process and granular data of year-on-year improvement more than a small sample of a few tournament games.

Kevin Keatts is a Final Four coach. So is Frank Martin (but in fairness, he actually improved programs too). Apparently Paul Hewitt is still coaching in the G-League. Putting together 4 wins in a row isn't a hallmark of great coaching just because they happen to be tournament games.

NGL, I'd never heard of M-By until JMU beat Wisconsin. But then as we were pursuing him I saw that he'd taken Ga Southern from 285th to 93rd. He took JMU from 278th to 74th. You don't get trophies for good efficiency metrics but they're predictive of future winning.
 
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If I'm an AD, I'm valuing process and granular data of year-on-year improvement more than a small sample of a few tournament games.

Kevin Keatts is a Final Four coach. So is Frank Martin (but in fairness, he actually improved programs too). Apparently Paul Hewitt is still coaching in the G-League. Putting together 4 wins in a row isn't a hallmark of great coaching just because they happen to be tournament games.

NGL, I'd never heard of M-By until JMU beat Wisconsin. But then as we were pursuing him I saw that he'd taken Ga Southern from 285th to 93rd. He took JMU from 278th to 74th. You don't get trophies for good efficiency metrics but they're predictive of future winning.
You have no idea how much (A) I agree with you and (B) hate that you have him and I don’t.
 
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You need a guy who is consistently good. Someone who isn’t quite on top of the world but will be able to upgrade into something greater if he uses Kentucky’s resources. Hiring someone with one good year is how you end up with another Billy G.
Well hiring someone that’s “consistently good” will get you mark pope. We need more than that. You need a guy who’s been GREAT. Or shown that they can be great. We need a guy who can prove they can draw elite talent. We need a guy who can handle this job and all that comes with it. I keep saying it but Pearl was the guy.

vandy guy = pope
 
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Well hiring someone that’s “consistently good” will get you mark pope. We need more than that. You need a guy who’s been GREAT. Or shown that they can be great. We need a guy who can prove they can draw elite talent. We need a guy who can handle this job and all that comes with it. I keep saying it but Pearl was the guy.

vandy guy = pope
I would say Pope is consistently average. Below average for UK standards. Never winning a conference title or a tournament game might even place you below average.
 

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Ill keep saying it, dont be shocked if Byington sees a place like Vandy as a better job. He will eventually get paid, far less stress, rich alumni base, real city with more business for NIL. Im sure we cluld lure him away with a better contract. But if he values his current situation theres a solid chance he turns us down.
 

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There are different tiered coaches.

Tier 1 = Final Four experience
Bruce Pearl
Nate Oats
Dusty May
Todd Golden

Tier 2A = How they conduct their program, coaching style, recruiting
Tommy Lloyd
T.J Oztelberger
Mark Byington
Joey McGuire
Fred Hoidburg

Tier 2B = Potential NBA Coaches
Frank Vogel
Mike Brown
Sam Cassell

Just made this list off the top of my head but its to prove a point. He's Tier 2 College coach as of now. Could he be a tier 1? Yeah if he gets Vandy to a Final Four this year.
And if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
 

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Ill keep saying it, dont be shocked if Byington sees a place like Vandy as a better job. He will eventually get paid, far less stress, rich alumni base, real city with more business for NIL. Im sure we cluld lure him away with a better contract. But if he values his current situation theres a solid chance he turns us down.
WTH would a coach that meets the criteria of this board leave where they are and come to this pressure cooker? Why would they put themselves and their family through it?
 
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WTH would a coach that meets the criteria of this board leave where they are and come to this pressure cooker? Why would they put themselves and their family through it?
This is a very realistic question and it’s why the future is both exciting and terrifying. Many fans are 100% certain that we get a top name coach but, while I want to believe that is true, I think it’s probably more likely that we don’t. The job just doesn’t provide enough stability for coaches to leave jobs that provide job security and they don’t need UK resources anymore to win. If you don’t get top fish and you move down to the Byington-level guys, even many of them are going to feel like moving to Kentucky isn’t worth the career risk. I’m scared we are becoming closer to Penn State football than Alabama football.
 

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This is a very realistic question and it’s why the future is both exciting and terrifying. Many fans are 100% certain that we get a top name coach but, while I want to believe that is true, I think it’s probably more likely that we don’t. The job just doesn’t provide enough stability for coaches to leave jobs that provide job security and they don’t need UK resources anymore to win. If you don’t get top fish and you move down to the Byington-level guys, even many of them are going to feel like moving to Kentucky isn’t worth the career risk. I’m scared we are becoming closer to Penn State football than Alabama football.
Schools have found out they can make money off basketball and boosters have found it's cheaper to buy basketball teams.
 

PhilipVU94

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This is a very realistic question and it’s why the future is both exciting and terrifying. Many fans are 100% certain that we get a top name coach but, while I want to believe that is true, I think it’s probably more likely that we don’t. The job just doesn’t provide enough stability for coaches to leave jobs that provide job security and they don’t need UK resources anymore to win. If you don’t get top fish and you move down to the Byington-level guys, even many of them are going to feel like moving to Kentucky isn’t worth the career risk.
The key point in all of this is that the "rules of the game," both literal and figurative, are still unsettled in the NIL / mass transfer era.

Last decade, y'all were still one of 10-15 programs that offered a coach a realistic shot at winning a NC. That doesn't appear to be the case now, and I don't think the history/brand name is all that essential in that regard, but you still have still a huge resource advantage. In the shoes of Byington, Hoiberg, etc. I'd be thinking, "If I can get enough money to compete for championships, maybe 10th in the league kind of money, and if I'm good at talent evaluation, then I can be in the national championship hunt here as well as in Lexington, Lawrence, or Chapel Hill. And then more money will come in."

And, forgive me for saying, every cash-rich program that doesn't get immediate results is going to boost their self-confidence in this game plan.

(Cignetti's close but a little better situated, with IU's vast alumni base. They don't have to worry about hoops cannibalizing their donations any more.)

Some guys will probably still prefer the prestige of a "dream job." Some will prefer peace of mind, not uprooting family, whatever.
I’m scared we are becoming closer to Penn State football than Alabama football.
Penn State's administration was arrogant, but their hubris accidentally led to a good hire. Michigan's administration was bumbling and asleep, but they've accidentally ended up with a good hire.

Alabama has done fine not to overreact, and they certainly got their man, but word is his family's not really comfortable there. Will be interesting to see if that leads to a reevaluation of jobs like Bama's.
 

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The key point in all of this is that the "rules of the game," both literal and figurative, are still unsettled in the NIL / mass transfer era.

Last decade, y'all were still one of 10-15 programs that offered a coach a realistic shot at winning a NC. That doesn't appear to be the case now, and I don't think the history/brand name is all that essential in that regard, but you still have still a huge resource advantage. In the shoes of Byington, Hoiberg, etc. I'd be thinking, "If I can get enough money to compete for championships, maybe 10th in the league kind of money, and if I'm good at talent evaluation, then I can be in the national championship hunt here as well as in Lexington, Lawrence, or Chapel Hill. And then more money will come in."

And, forgive me for saying, every cash-rich program that doesn't get immediate results is going to boost their self-confidence in this game plan.

(Cignetti's close but a little better situated, with IU's vast alumni base. They don't have to worry about hoops cannibalizing their donations any more.)

Some guys will probably still prefer the prestige of a "dream job." Some will prefer peace of mind, not uprooting family, whatever.

Penn State's administration was arrogant, but their hubris accidentally led to a good hire. Michigan's administration was bumbling and asleep, but they've accidentally ended up with a good hire.

Alabama has done fine not to overreact, and they certainly got their man, but word is his family's not really comfortable there. Will be interesting to see if that leads to a reevaluation of jobs like Bama's.
Fans don’t want to admit that Mitch Barnhart is uniquely bad for Kentucky there is no good comparison.
 

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Vandy is undefeated &ranked in top10. Time to consider the future of Kentucky Basketball.
The future of Kentucky basketball? As I said, overrated. Vandy is now coming off a 25 point loss to Arkansas and looking up at UK in the SEC standings. Maybe Byington isn’t ready for the HOF yet LOL
 
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You know how BYU is now a better job in football than Penn State because they have more money to buy players with? Well...
 

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UK doesn't need an up and comer. We need the BIG name that wants to prove he can do it on the BIGGEST stage. Hurley was the answer, but his damn wife wouldn't move. I do think the short term solution is Pearl, but every year we let slip away Pearl becomes less of an option (limited number of coaching years left he is 65)
 

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UK doesn't need an up and comer. We need the BIG name that wants to prove he can do it on the BIGGEST stage. Hurley was the answer, but his damn wife wouldn't move. I do think the short term solution is Pearl, but every year we let slip away Pearl becomes less of an option (limited number of coaching years left he is 65)
Or...maybe we give the guy we've got a chance
 

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Or...maybe we give the guy we've got a chance

Maybe he can start recruiting better and stop getting down double digits to power 4 programs 81% of games this season.

Hopefully the last 3 games, minus the awful starts, are a sign of improvement. Only time will tell.

The vandy coach was never anyone any good. He just beat up on a weak ooc.
 

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He made it to the round of 32 and then a Sweet 16 a year later. That’s not good enough to show consistency for a program like Kentucky.
He built those teams from nothing though.

He was truly in demand. Far more accomplished as a coach than Pope.
 

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Or...maybe we give the guy we've got a chance
He is what he is. I’m pretty sure Pope is the oldest coach UK basketball ever hired.

He’s not an up and comer. He was not an established winner. What you see is what you get. He’s a 66% winning coach for his career.

He is a damn fine cheerleader for UK.

But that’s his ceiling.
 

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Bucky McMillan at A&M is a youngish coach to watch. Started at Samford after coaching high school. Up tempo style and has A&M playing decently in his first season.
 

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Maybe he can start recruiting better and stop getting down double digits to power 4 programs 81% of games this season.

Hopefully the last 3 games, minus the awful starts, are a sign of improvement. Only time will tell.

The vandy coach was never anyone any good. He just beat up on a weak ooc.
I wonder if MB sits around reading RR saying to himself, I am keeping MP the next 10 years and there is nothing these spoiled crybabies can do about it....
 
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