So, whaddya think about this brave new world of NIL?
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A very much imperfect system that will get worked out over time.
It sucks. These are kids attending college to supposedly gain an education, not get a free ride AND make more/equal to real professional athletes.
Not so good responses for the future of the fanbase
My first Rutgers basketball game was in 1978, my senior year of HS, after my basketball season ended. I sat through most games during Littlepage, finally got season tickets during Wenzel’s years. This season I gave up my season tickets and turned into a casual fan. Rarely watch any other college games, and even don’t watch complete Rutgers games at times.
I enjoyed watching players develop from freshman to upper classmen. JMike has been good to watch, but he is the rare case these days.
I enjoyed watching players develop from freshman to upper classmen. JMike has been good to watch, but he is the rare case these days.
Other
Still will follow college,sports, but have lost a lot of enthusiasm since the,players no longer care for their school, and even what you thought was a loyal player,departs for money
Still will follow college,sports, but have lost a lot of enthusiasm since the,players no longer care for their school, and even what you thought was a loyal player,departs for money
The NCAA and Politicans should be embarrassed how this has been handled. The young athletes are not being helped or taught anything that will help them down the road in life.
Once the Sec and BIG break away from the NCAA and set the salary cap era for college sports things will return to normal. Just have to ensure we have a seat at the table.
Once the Sec and BIG break away from the NCAA and set the salary cap era for college sports things will return to normal. Just have to ensure we have a seat at the table.
There were so many ways to get this right and college football f-ed them all up.
Money earned via jerseys, video games, sneakers, etc...should have been part of a revenue share for players. And keep the transfer rules exactly how they were previously.
Players, teams, fans all would have been very happy.
The only ones not happy would have been these non regulated agents and the money men. Oh- let's not forget the greedy secondary families of the players who are ruining kids lives right now.
Money earned via jerseys, video games, sneakers, etc...should have been part of a revenue share for players. And keep the transfer rules exactly how they were previously.
Players, teams, fans all would have been very happy.
The only ones not happy would have been these non regulated agents and the money men. Oh- let's not forget the greedy secondary families of the players who are ruining kids lives right now.
If you dont like the current state of college atheltics, why would you want Rutgers to have a seat at the table of the SEC/B1G breakaway super league?
Do you think it'll be less focused on winning and money?
As of this post an overwhelming amount of the votes were for "College Sports Dying/Out". But I have to wonder if the voting would be the same in a hypothetical scenario if RU was switched with Indiana and in the playoffs (especially deep into the playoffs). My own experience is that fans become much more apathetic and look negatively at the state or the rules and say they are backing off or quitting when their own team's outlook is daunting or not good.
Your observation is applicable to not only college sports, but also in many other areas of life.
100%
Nobody here said “college sports is dying” when then B1G signed a billion dollar media contract while other conferences and teams get pennies.
Nobody says “This isn’t fair. They should put how much each team spent on their team on the scoreboard” when we play UMass.
Only when we play OSU.
People complained about “one and done” players and how they weren’t real student athletes. Didn’t care about the school.
Some even said “Rutgers and Pike don’t run that type of program. That would have one and done players.”
And then last year was the most anticipated year ever.
I think we're going to see an exodus of alumni, fans and interest.
And further to the above, we have this from today's e-mail from The Athletic:
Current state of NIL:
Consider:
- No. 1 Indiana is the poster child of the NIL pivot. This is historically the worst program in major college football. The Hoosiers hired Curt Cignetti two seasons ago and fueled his pursuits. Since, they are 25-2, including a 14-0 mark this year. The crystallization of a more even playing field.
- No. 5 Oregon is the most traditional modern power here, though it’s never won a national title. This is a program that’s been on the cutting edge for years, and NIL has done nothing to change that. The Ducks are a perfect example of longevity and adaptability.
While Greg has has done a nice job stabilizing a program that Ash decimated, I doubt he will get us to the CFP. Not sure he will even get us past 8 wins in a regular season to even sniff the CFP, unless they expand to 64 teams
. Resources, blah, blah, blah. Unless he changes his conservative "the ball is the program" ways and returns more punts and kickoffs, just don't see Rutgers getting to or past 8 wins. Hire a new coach, and here I am:
If a Controlling Authority does not step in and take the bull by the horns and set guidelines and penalties the current situation will only spin out of control with Money Like Mark Cuban and others deciding rosters for the schools that will give them return of profit.
Mark Cuban has donated millions to Indiana University sports, including a recent "big number" to the athletic department for Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) funding and a previous $5 million for a sports media center, plus $6 million for the rugby club, though he keeps the exact figures for recent gifts private
. His support, spurred by the football team's success under coach Curt Cignetti, involves substantial funds for NIL and facility enhancements, with the total amount undisclosed but significant.
. His support, spurred by the football team's success under coach Curt Cignetti, involves substantial funds for NIL and facility enhancements, with the total amount undisclosed but significant.
The NIL world, especially what we are seeing now, is quite different and a huge tectonic shift in the landscape of college sports. Frankly, when RU was invited and admitted to the B1G, we were like the Jeffersons, movin' on up. But in the most Rutgers of ways, Rutgers Rutgers things up. Julie Herman, Flood, Mike Rice, Eddie Jordan, Chris Ash, Pat Hobbs, Coquese Washington. Rutgers is the Wile E. Coyote of the B1G.
This is a description of Wile E. Coyote from Roadrunner courtesy of Wikipedia:
"The cunning, devious and constantly hungry coyote repeatedly attempts to catch and eat the roadrunner, but is humorously unsuccessful. Instead of using animal instinct, the coyote deploys absurdly complex schemes and devices to try to catch his prey. They comically backfire, with the coyote invariably getting injured in slapstick fashion"
That pretty much sums up the last 11 years of Rutgers athletics. Continually making bad hires. At least Indiana could cling to basketball while their football teams sucked. Rutgers does not even have that. And then we get browbeat by certain posters that our fans are cheap and need to give more. Yeah, who is going to give to such a malfunctioning operation?
We have a glimmer of hope with President Tate and AD Keli Zinn. There are signs of hope, but the mountain has gotten higher and steeper--and icy. Onward, upward!!!
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And stops icing kickers on 50+ yard attempts with a 20 mph wind in their face.And further to the above, we have this from today's e-mail from The Athletic:
Consider:
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- No. 1 Indiana is the poster child of the NIL pivot. This is historically the worst program in major college football. The Hoosiers hired Curt Cignetti two seasons ago and fueled his pursuits. Since, they are 25-2, including a 14-0 mark this year. The crystallization of a more even playing field.
- No. 5 Oregon is the most traditional modern power here, though it’s never won a national title. This is a program that’s been on the cutting edge for years, and NIL has done nothing to change that. The Ducks are a perfect example of longevity and adaptability.
While Greg has has done a nice job stabilizing a program that Ash decimated, I doubt he will get us to the CFP. Not sure he will even get us past 8 wins in a regular season to even sniff the CFP, unless they expand to 64 teams
Ever since Ian transferred to Cal, they’ve infected my algorithm. This is great…
I voted Other
Could be good but needs at least some rules to level the playing field. It should not be, whoever outspends by buying players will win or every kid is a free agent every year. That's the system we have now.
I said when this started, a kid would be stupid not to enter his name in the transfer portal every year to see what he can get. We're now seeing kids with 3 to 4 schools under their belt. Stop the charade of "Student Athlete" or fair play.
Could be good but needs at least some rules to level the playing field. It should not be, whoever outspends by buying players will win or every kid is a free agent every year. That's the system we have now.
I said when this started, a kid would be stupid not to enter his name in the transfer portal every year to see what he can get. We're now seeing kids with 3 to 4 schools under their belt. Stop the charade of "Student Athlete" or fair play.
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Sports, college or pro, have always a diversion for me. Something to enjoy but not obsess about. I’ve already pulled away a lot from college sports and if the current landscape doesn’t change soon I’ll walk away with good memories and no complaints. Times change. Things change.
Speaking of Cal, wonder why nobody has picked up Justin Wilcox (former head coach) as DC. Wonder if Greg even thought to contact him? :
DC Boise State-his defenses were statistically among the highest-rated in the nation.
Tenn- Can't find stats. He left to become DC at Washington under Sarkisian.
Washington/USC- Sarkisian took him to USC, so he must have done well at Washington.
Wisconsin--a defense ranked in the top ten in a number of categories. In 2017, he became Cal's head coach.
Wisconsin Football: Justin Wilcox has Badgers’ defense among nation’s best
New Wisconsin Badgers defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox has the team among the best in the nation defensively, just seven games in to his Badgers career.
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| 2006–2009 | Boise State (DC) |
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What tectonic shift has occurred due to NIL?
"The teams that spend the most and have the most money have an advantage."
That's literally how it's always been.
Even ignoring illegal player payments, the teams with the most money to spend on coaches, support staff, stadiums, locker rooms, facilities, recruiting, jet fuel has always had an advantage.
What is our AD donor support compared to OSU, UM and PSU?
That was the weekly complaint.
Then it turned into NIL complaints.
Yes Al is a PITA with his weekly "donate more to NIL" threads. But that's what was said before too.
Except it was donate to build a better facility, upgrade the weight/locker rooms.
"We need your money to upgrade and entice recruits. We need your money to fire a coach and hire a better coach. Hire better staff."
Literally nothing has changed.
Actually think there is an opportunity here, the schools with money are going with experienced NIL guys from lesser Conferences & Divisions - the Indiana/Ole Miss Models. The 18/19 year old high school kids will eventually be left behind by the bigger programs and that's where Developmental Programs can excel in recruiting HS kids. Sucks they may leave in a few years but think this were its all headed. Could be a win for schools like us. imo
You were comparing Rutgers being admitted to the B1G versus NIL.
If you don't see the tectonic shift, especially in view of the last two years, and particularly the last two weeks, please to an optician and/or a geologist. We have two teams in the CFP finals- Indiana, the worst team in the history of college football, and Oregon, cry me a river, who have never been in the CFP. That's a tectonic shift.
You spent some time re-framing the issues to something else. Even when RU was admitted to the B1G, we were behind in money, and we are still behind in money. U Washington is seeing this now. LSU outspent UW for a QB that was under a signed contract.
Breaking the rules was the thing pre-NIL.
Now it is breaking contracts.
The rank and file donors and people on this board a pimple on a whale's butt in the donation world of the blue bloods.
Oh I thought you said the issue was "The young athletes are not being helped or taught anything that will help them down the road in life."
If your only concern is if Rutgers is competitive then I agree. The super league is likely to be more singular and more cooperative. And thus everyone would be more competitive with each other.
Seriously?
You must have been asleep the last 2 years with the shift in college football to a play for pay free for all. The imbalance of the sport has never been more evident.
What does "imbalance" mean?
The barrier to success has never been lower.
Get funding - get elite talent
How are you obtaining elite talent before?
Have a history of success (high barrier to entry)
Have elite facilities (same barrier as before)
Have elite coaching (same barrier as before).
The only change is that "history" and "legacy" have been diminished.
Which is a good thing.
Want to get specific:
If Rutgers offers a player more money than Alabama, it doesn't matter than Bama has national championships. A great home environment.
Now Rutgers can now get that player.
The opportunity is equal to everyone.
I thought you were implying "tectonic shift" as a bad thing.
You seem to be saying its a good thing:
"We have two teams in the CFP finals- Indiana, the worst team in the history of college football, and Oregon, cry me a river, who have never been in the CFP. That's a tectonic shift."
I would agree the shift is positive for the sport's overall competitiveness.
As Ricky Ricardo used to say, "you need to 'splain' yourself, Lucy." What do you mean with the above--do you think the fans who are already giving in seat donations, parking donations, apparel, etc should give more, or should Rutgers work harder to go after whales or at least dolphins to land bigger fish?
No it is not equal if the blue bloods have a better ACTIVE donor pool that schools like Rutgers lack. And I'm referring to whales and dolphins, not the guppies on this board- no offense to any big guppies.
This is the first time in decades that I haven’t watched a single RU hoops or football game from start to finish. And I’ve seen none of several of our games in both sports.
So I guess I can’t say I’m fully out, but I’m definitely most of the way out.
So I guess I can’t say I’m fully out, but I’m definitely most of the way out.
1. Rutgers should be going after everyone. Unfortunately, mostly for the fans, that's the system that everyone (including the fans) have signed up for.
Real life: my wife and I am always giving money to her sister (married with 2 kid). All the time. (Her father gives to her as well).
When we have balked at times on very specific things ("helping" buy $600 Sabrina Carpenter concert tickets for my nephew) - she's gotten mad at us.
I can't really blame her. If she's used to asking and we are always giving - isn't it our fault at this point for enabling her?
My sister in law is college ADs.
And the fans are my wife and I.
Complain about giving but end up keep doing it anyway.
2. It is equal opportunity. Any team can get a donor and buy players. It's not restricted to those willing to cheat anymore.
See Indiana.
Want more than equal opportunity? Pool all revenues, set caps and make all 134 programs operate on the same financial level.
Heard a funny stat this week- there hasn’t been a first time champion in football since Florida won in 1996. 3/4 of the teams remaining would break that streak. I won’t go as far to say that anyone can win now, but the pool is open more than it was in the past
But again, equality has never been a tenet of college atheltics.
Blue bloods have ALWAYS had an active donor base that Rutgers (and 100 others) haven't had access to.
Blue bloods have ALWAYS had an active donor base that Rutgers (and 100 others) haven't had access to.
"Evident" is probably the key word in your post. However what NIL has actually done is bring to the surface the fact that the programs with money have always had a significant advantage. Note that the advantage / imbalance has existed in my lifetime regardless of NIL. People may not like paying players coupled with the Portal Free Agent frenzy.....but those processes have not created an imbalance that already existed.