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satnom

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You know we love you and you’re the hardest working man on Rivals but you‘ve been sh*tting on the bball team big time and you missed the mark on Francis.

The team is playing hard and Francis has exceeded all our expectations.

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There's no point because as soon as a response comes it will be RU is terrible or after a losing streak.....which has nothing to do with a complete miss on how he evaluated Tariq Francis but the automatic fall back will be the team isn't in the NCAAs, so does it matter......

The team is much better now than 3 weeks ago, that's all I can say.
 
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No need to call him out. One win doesn't really change the course of the season. Yes, they have played better the last two games, but no one here really expects much from the season. If RU wins 3-4 B1G games I think everyone here would agree it met or exceeded expectations.

Will Francis continue to score basically at will? Hopefully, but teams will game plan more for him. Cut the head off the snake.
Will Buchanan play every game like last night? The season progression says no. He very well have 4 TOs vs Illinois and go 1-6 shooting.
Will RU ever shoot over 90% on FTs again, especially while taking over 30? If they shot a very respectable 75% as a team, they lose.
Will Mark continue his upward climb? We can hope, but as a freshman, he will have freshman games.

I will say though that Pike really has gotten a lot out of them the last two games, but its only 2 games.
 
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RUBubba said:
No need to call him out. One win doesn't really change the course of the season. Yes, they have played better the last two games, but no one here really expects much from the season. If RU wins 3-4 B1G games I think everyone here would agree it met or exceeded expectations.

Will Francis continue to score basically at will? Hopefully, but teams will game plan more for him. Cut the head off the snake.
Will Buchanan play every game like last night? The season progression says no. He very well have 4 TOs vs Illinois and go 1-6 shooting.
Will RU ever shoot over 90% on FTs again, especially while taking over 30? If they shot a very respectable 75% as a team, they lose.
Will Mark continue his upward climb? We can hope, but as a freshman, he will have freshman games.

I will say though that Pike really has gotten a lot out of them the last two games, but its only 2 games.
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this...very odd to see calling out posters because the team won a game and played tough in another close one against 2 schools likely not headed to ncaa tourney. Short memories to just 2 weeks ago. You just dont wipe the slate clean. At the same time everyone is acknowledge how much better the team is playing and players progressing and some breakouts and the Pike lineup change working.

alot to be determined. Illinois has been a house of horrors so anything under 20 point loss is decent. Northwestern to provide the next reasonable test to see how much team is progressing. After that a very rough 7 game stretch where it might be tough to win even one. Then a lighter schedule with some home opporunties and winnable road games.
 
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satnom said:
You know we love you and you’re the hardest working man on Rivals but you‘ve been sh*tting on the bball team big time and you missed the mark on Francis.

The team is playing hard and Francis has exceeded all our expectations.

GO RU
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This is a knee jerk die on your horse reaction. Everyone is eating crow we were wrong about Francis but we also at one time thought JWILL was a revelation when he went crazy for 4-5 games and we know how that turned out

two things can be true… we can be wrong that Francis was not a big ten player and it can also be true that this team is still very flawed and the prospects for long term success are bleak without wholesale changes that go WAY beyond this years roster
 
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Mholinko said:
This is a knee jerk die on your horse reaction. Everyone is eating crow we were wrong about Francis but we also at one time thought JWILL was a revelation when he went crazy for 4-5 games and we know how that turned out

two things can be true… we can be wrong that Francis was not a big ten player and it can also be true that this team is still very flawed and the prospects for long term success are bleak without wholesale changes that go WAY beyond this years roster
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It’s not the same thing. Francis has at least 6 games in an RU uniform with 19+ points so far this year and now that two of them came against high majors, it’s notable that none of these games other than Rider were stat padding in either direction. Pike didn’t keep him in for the blow out losses. The kid can flat out score the ball.

I doubt J Will had that many 19+ scoring games in his whole college career including when he was at Temple.
 
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Unnecessary post IMO,

Richie provides some great insight, knowledge and "'opinions".

if you don't like his opinions, you have the option of going to another site, but calling him out is kind of bush league
 
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Hand up I’m one of the posters that thought the Francis add was a joke. Terrible efficiency and undersized on a bad NJIT team. Credit to him as he’s somehow elevated his game despite the uptick in comp. While he’s undeniably been a worthwhile pickup, let’s let the rest of the Big Ten slate play out prior to branding him a star

Same as nobody should be taking a victory lap because this team got a single Big Ten win. This is still a bad team
 
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Idk where the theory came from but I remember it clearly because I couldn't understand it. People were arguing that Brandon Knight bullied pike into bringing in Tariq Francis and over paid hindering the teams ability to bring in top transfers. They were acting like pike was afraid of Knight or something lol
 
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Francis has definitely exceeded my expectations as an armchair coach lol. But let's see what happens when the big boys start 2x teaming/edging their D to stop him, or have a high-level 6'5 G or wing get in his kitchen. He's proven he's a B1G level scorer, but if/when the D starts tightening on him R other guys better be very active in getting themselves open and making shots. I expect next game at Illinois to be a big test for Francis' hot streak.
 
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BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
I expect next game at Illinois to be a big test for Francis' hot streak.
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Illinois, Michigan, and Purdue are on different planets than the rest of the conference. Yes, some of the other teams will beat them but they will likely go undefeated, or close to it, against the bottom third of the league.

My point is that there is no test in playing at Illinois. This is one of those games where I don't even play the starters more than 25 minutes. They need to be rested, healthy and ready to go at home against Northwestern on Sunday. Don't let Illinois beat you twice.
 
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Idk where the theory came from but I remember it clearly because I couldn't understand it. People were arguing that Brandon Knight bullied pike into bringing in Tariq Francis and over paid hindering the teams ability to bring in top transfers. They were acting like pike was afraid of Knight or something lol
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that theory came from Richie and the mods...

which is why the OP is asking for him to admit he's wrong, no?

richie is great...hard working guy who tries his best to provide all of us with good info.

but like a poster said above. "Richie provides some great insight, knowledge and "'opinions"."

i've been critical of some of these opinions as i think they steer the board...the francis hate was driven by the mods combo'd with the negative posters who want to bash at all times (like in the offseason when none of us or even the mods had eyes on the team).

i was one of the few defending the pickup...not because i knew anything about francis or that he would be this good...but more because there is zero shot a division 1 coaching staff would take and overpay a guy as a favor (unless it was a JMike/Ace Bailey type situation), when it's their livelihoods on the line. and me personally i think the mods should hold themselves to a higher standard when it comes to that stuff...but that just one mans opinion and this isn't my career so i'm going to leave it to them on how they run stuff.
 
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Simce91 said:
Unnecessary post IMO,

Richie provides some great insight, knowledge and "'opinions".

if you don't like his opinions, you have the option of going to another site, but calling him out is kind of bush league
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Listen. Love Richie because he calls it like it is. I do the same. Most but not all know how to dissect fact from faction. Some don’t. When someone gives an “opinion” I take it as that. Someone’s point of view. He and others have been overly negative about the bball team and wrong about Francis even before the start of the season. I chose to watch and gather information over time rather than quick reactions that others feed into.

Nothing personal. I still love him and live for the RU sports banter we have going. It’s ok to bat .950. Can’t get them all right and like I said nobody works harder on this platform.

Also, not going anywhere. Been on this board and the former iterations with other publishers for over two decades and will voice my opinions as I see fit. Most of us can take the criticisms and have thick skins.

Besides, this place is like therapy without the couch.

GO RU
 
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BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
Francis has definitely exceeded my expectations as an armchair coach lol. But let's see what happens when the big boys start 2x teaming/edging their D to stop him, or have a high-level 6'5 G or wing get in his kitchen. He's proven he's a B1G level scorer, but if/when the D starts tightening on him R other guys better be very active in getting themselves open and making shots. I expect next game at Illinois to be a big test for Francis' hot streak.
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Really need Kaden or Zrno to add another dimension to our scoring at the 3. He’s had some nice drive and kicks, but we don’t finish. A sharpshooter and a big would do wonders next season.
 
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LeapinLou said:
Illinois, Michigan, and Purdue are on different planets than the rest of the conference. Yes, some of the other teams will beat them but they will likely go undefeated, or close to it, against the bottom third of the league.

My point is that there is no test in playing at Illinois. This is one of those games where I don't even play the starters more than 25 minutes. They need to be rested, healthy and ready to go at home against Northwestern on Sunday. Don't let Illinois beat you twice.
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Agreed. As Bac said above, if it’s less than 20 that’s a pretty good outing for this squad. No one is mistaking us for the 3 natty contenders you mentioned.
 
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LeapinLou said:
My point is that there is no test in playing at Illinois. This is one of those games where I don't even play the starters more than 25 minutes. They need to be rested, healthy and ready to go at home against Northwestern on Sunday. Don't let Illinois beat you twice.
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The few of you here that beat your chest and have the nerve to call people out because of such a small sample size are comical and are the reason Pike is on a pedestal and got that big contract from Hobbs. You love mediocrity. Worse you think slightly above average is elite. I’ve been critical of the Francis pick up and I’m still not ready to declare him the RHJ at RU. Is he doing better than I expected. Yes. Let’s see where this goes before we call out the mods. Francis lit up Penn and an Oregon team missing three players and it’s starting pg. He did this in a street-ball fashion which got him to the line a lot. Pike loves this type of offense. Is it really sustainable? He’s about 9 points over his career fg% bolstered by two 60+% games. Does that return down with more 20% and 30% games. At 5-11 I’m willing to bet vs the remainder of the big ten it does. I don’t think those who said he’s not a power conf player have been proven wrong. Let’s see where the next month goes before we declare Pike and staff goat recruiters.
 
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that theory came from Richie and the mods...

which is why the OP is asking for him to admit he's wrong, no?

richie is great...hard working guy who tries his best to provide all of us with good info.

but like a poster said above. "Richie provides some great insight, knowledge and "'opinions"."

i've been critical of some of these opinions as i think they steer the board...the francis hate was driven by the mods combo'd with the negative posters who want to bash at all times (like in the offseason when none of us or even the mods had eyes on the team).

i was one of the few defending the pickup...not because i knew anything about francis or that he would be this good...but more because there is zero shot a division 1 coaching staff would take and overpay a guy as a favor (unless it was a JMike/Ace Bailey type situation), when it's their livelihoods on the line. and me personally i think the mods should hold themselves to a higher standard when it comes to that stuff...but that just one mans opinion and this isn't my career so i'm going to leave it to them on how they run stuff.
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This…
I was one of the few defending the pickup...not because i knew anything about francis or that he would be this good...but more because there is zero shot a division 1 coaching staff would take and overpay a guy as a favor (unless it was a JMike/Ace Bailey type situation), when it's their livelihoods on the line. and me personally i think the mods should hold themselves to a higher standard when it comes to that stuff...

For me, it was also the fact that Francis put up big numbers (granted a bit inefficient) on a bad team where he was the focal point of opposing defenses.

With that said, I enjoy this site and greatly appreciate the content produced by Richie.
 
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In this game Francis reminded me a lot of Boo Buie, all-time leading scorer at Northwestern who was constantly set up for iso plays, was tough to cover and had a knack for putting the ball in the basket.

Both primarily shooting guards (sometimes PG) of similar size (listed at approximately 6’1 and 180lbs).

Both capable of putting up 15-25 points (sometimes 30+) consistently on fairly high volume and efficiency, plus draw a lot of fouls and are money at the FT line.

Both small quick guards who are pure scorers.
 
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BIGRUBIGDBIGredmachine said:
Francis has definitely exceeded my expectations as an armchair coach lol. But let's see what happens when the big boys start 2x teaming/edging their D to stop him, or have a high-level 6'5 G or wing get in his kitchen. He's proven he's a B1G level scorer, but if/when the D starts tightening on him R other guys better be very active in getting themselves open and making shots. I expect next game at Illinois to be a big test for Francis' hot streak.
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For sure. Nobody is saying he’s clearly an All Big caliber star. Context is needed - most of us (me included), thought he was going to be one of the worst pick up of the offseason. We were all, without question, very wrong about this - if nothing else.
 
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Jerseylegends said:
Idk where the theory came from but I remember it clearly because I couldn't understand it. People were arguing that Brandon Knight bullied pike into bringing in Tariq Francis and over paid hindering the teams ability to bring in top transfers. They were acting like pike was afraid of Knight or something lol
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Richie had said on the podcast that Pike initially wasn’t sure if he wanted to add Francis. Pike indirectly validated this in the preseason when he came out in preseason and acknowledged straight up that Tariq’s D impressed him and was better than he anticipated based on his NJIT film.
 
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dark_check said:
The few of you here that beat your chest and have the nerve to call people out because of such a small sample size are comical and are the reason Pike is on a pedestal and got that big contract from Hobbs. You love mediocrity. Worse you think slightly above average is elite. I’ve been critical of the Francis pick up and I’m still not ready to declare him the RHJ at RU. Is he doing better than I expected. Yes. Let’s see where this goes before we call out the mods. Francis lit up Penn and an Oregon team missing three players and it’s starting pg. He did this in a street-ball fashion which got him to the line a lot. Pike loves this type of offense. Is it really sustainable? He’s about 9 points over his career fg% bolstered by two 60+% games. Does that return down with more 20% and 30% games. At 5-11 I’m willing to bet vs the remainder of the big ten it does. I don’t think those who said he’s not a power conf player have been proven wrong. Let’s see where the next month goes before we declare Pike and staff goat recruiters.
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This all has nothing to do with Francis being even close to a superstar. People on this board and Richie in this case as well, were unrelentingly trashing Tarik, Pike and the program for his transfer to RU. He doesn't have to prove to be a star or even perform at this level the rest of the year to have shown that was all completely out of line.

Further - do you really need to make **** up to try and make a point? I haven't seen any posts related to loving mediocrity or equating average as elite. Also - can't find anyone claiming Pike is a GOAT recruiter......and not sure why you think that anything posted on this board had any impact on Pike's contract.
 
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RUInsanityToo said:
This all has nothing to do with Francis being even close to a superstar. People on this board and Richie in this case as well, were unrelentingly trashing Tarik, Pike and the program for his transfer to RU. He doesn't have to prove to be a star or even perform at this level the rest of the year to have shown that was all completely out of line.

Further - do you really need to make **** up to try and make a point? I haven't seen any posts related to loving mediocrity or equating average as elite. Also - can't find anyone claiming Pike is a GOAT recruiter......and not sure why you think that anything posted on this board had any impact on Pike's contract.
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I think most Pike lovers are still pragmatic and are willing to endure some pain this season as long as it doesn’t reach embarrassment levels or the team quits like they did in 23/24, if it means we’re back in the tourney next year (and if not, we’ll understand it’s time to move on but will have nothing but gratitude for Pike).

The Pike haters have been after him for a decade waiting for any slip up, and have nothing but nonstop negativity.
 
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RUDiddy777 said:
I think most Pike lovers are still pragmatic and are willing to endure some pain this season as long as it doesn’t reach embarrassment levels or the team quits like they did in 23/24, if it means we’re back in the tourney next year (and if not, we’ll understand it’s time to move on but will have nothing but gratitude for Pike).

The Pike haters have been after him for a decade waiting for any slip up, and have nothing but nonstop negativity.
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Honestly I think that some people seem to feel the need to assign blame for any situations that do not go well but are out of their control.......as if anyone posting opinions on this board either positive of negative has anything to do with Rutgers performance on the court or Pike's contract.

I'd take a guess that in spite of the vocal negative volume poster minority......most of us are somewhere in the middle when it comes to Pike. Meaning that we acknowledge that he has faults and lament his relatively low to moderate ceiling, but also appreciate and applaud what he has done as a coach for RU. The realist would also accept that given the contract buy-out terms, without a "Big Fish" donor stepping in, Pike will likely remain beyond this season.
 
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RUInsanityToo said:
Honestly I think that some people seem to feel the need to assign blame for any situations that do not go well but are out of their control.......as if anyone posting opinions on this board either positive of negative has anything to do with Rutgers performance on the court or Pike's contract.

I'd take a guess that in spite of the vocal negative volume poster minority......most of us are somewhere in the middle when it comes to Pike. Meaning that we acknowledge that he has faults and lament his relatively low to moderate ceiling, but also appreciate and applaud what he has done as a coach for RU. The realist would also accept that given the contract buy-out terms, without a "Big Fish" donor stepping in, Pike will likely remain beyond this season.
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I think some success has also made people forget that this is still a really tough job and far from the most attractive option - we still have significant limitations. Unfortunately, we probably have another decade of playing catch up across all of athletics, but at least no one is asking “why is Rutgers in the Big Ten” anymore.
 
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I think some success has also made people forget that this is still a really tough job and far from the most attractive option - we still have significant limitations. Unfortunately, we probably have another decade of playing catch up across all of athletics, but at least no one is asking “why is Rutgers in the Big Ten” anymore.
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I think depending on what Zinn does here in the near future it is absolutely a question that will be asked again

most athletic departments in the big 10 bring some clout or top tier competitiveness to the table in at least one of football or basketball

the list of schools that are not perennially competitive in one or both is short

Rutgers
Minnesota
Northwestern
Washington

every other school has brought forth a nationally relevant football or basketball team to the big ten within the last 3-4 years

I think one would agree all 4 of these schools are probably the furthest behind financially as well

not all any one persons fault
 
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satnom said:
You know we love you and you’re the hardest working man on Rivals but you‘ve been sh*tting on the bball team big time and you missed the mark on Francis.

The team is playing hard and Francis has exceeded all our expectations.

GO RU
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@RUPete90 is right, I've been swamped with portal madness, and I admitted in another thread he had two pretty good games and is starting to find his rhythm. However let's not count chickens before they hatch, both Penn and Oregon were missing their top players in those games, both of which were guards. End of the day I'm not rooting against them, I want them to be good, and I hope for the sake of the remainder of the season he keeps it up, but let's see how he does the rest of the way.

As far as exceeding expectations, I had them in preseason at 13-19.

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Mholinko said:
I think depending on what Zinn does here in the near future it is absolutely a question that will be asked again

most athletic departments in the big 10 bring some clout or top tier competitiveness to the table in at least one of football or basketball

the list of schools that are not perennially competitive in one or both is short

Rutgers
Minnesota
Northwestern
Washington

every other school has brought forth a nationally relevant football or basketball team to the big ten within the last 3-4 years

I think one would agree all 4 of these schools are probably the furthest behind financially as well

not all any one persons fault
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I would remove Washington from that last since they did make the national championship game in football 2 years ago albeit in the pac 10

but I think the other 3 with the possible addition of Maryland bring the least to the Big 10 overall. Minnesota hired Medved and is quickly resurging in hoops. Thats a great hire and if they get enough money will be in the top half of the league going forward
 
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Mholinko said:
I think depending on what Zinn does here in the near future it is absolutely a question that will be asked again

most athletic departments in the big 10 bring some clout or top tier competitiveness to the table in at least one of football or basketball

the list of schools that are not perennially competitive in one or both is short

Rutgers
Minnesota
Northwestern
Washington

every other school has brought forth a nationally relevant football or basketball team to the big ten within the last 3-4 years

I think one would agree all 4 of these schools are probably the furthest behind financially as well

not all any one persons fault
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Lack of state support, lack of vision, and decades of neglect and avoidance of athletics at Rutgers. I’m still bullish on our future, but we had the biggest climb. FFS, we were the worst team in the Big Least and now we’re mostly holding our own at the big boy table - far from the best, but not the perennial worst either.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
There's no point because as soon as a response comes it will be RU is terrible or after a losing streak.....which has nothing to do with a complete miss on how he evaluated Tariq Francis but the automatic fall back will be the team isn't in the NCAAs, so does it matter......

The team is much better now than 3 weeks ago, that's all I can say.
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Nah. Down 43-16 to IL? We freaking still suck

yeah we are better at home, but we suck
 
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RUDiddy777 said:
I think some success has also made people forget that this is still a really tough job and far from the most attractive option - we still have significant limitations. Unfortunately, we probably have another decade of playing catch up across all of athletics, but at least no one is asking “why is Rutgers in the Big Ten” anymore.
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That’s weak. He’s getting paid like a top college coach. The product is below sub standard. Stop making excuses. As for your prior post about it getting embarrassingly bad. Were there.
 
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RUInsanityToo said:
This all has nothing to do with Francis being even close to a superstar. People on this board and Richie in this case as well, were unrelentingly trashing Tarik, Pike and the program for his transfer to RU. He doesn't have to prove to be a star or even perform at this level the rest of the year to have shown that was all completely out of line.

Further - do you really need to make **** up to try and make a point? I haven't seen any posts related to loving mediocrity or equating average as elite. Also - can't find anyone claiming Pike is a GOAT recruiter......and not sure why you think that anything posted on this board had any impact on Pike's contract.
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Listen I want them to do well. I’ve only witnessed it a few seasons in the last 43 years of fanship, but not much. Five/six years ago I thought Pike could almost be Coach K like. Then he started recruiting like crap before NIL and it unraveled. My point is when he earned praise I gave it. It’s been the opposite for a few years now and I’ll call that out too. None of it is made up. Many on this board feel and defend Pike as I said. And as for this board giving him a fat contract. Of course it didn’t. But those boosters we do have, some of them are happy with mediocrity, make excuses for him and are ok this board. They made that contract possible.
 
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