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    Good post, and I think these are all valid points. Yes, just precipitously ending the subsidies would have bad outcomes as well as - hopefully - salutary ones. One imagines that with investment in charging infrastructure, and competition/tech advances lowering the cost of EVs, the sheer economic...
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    This is a good question. I'm against oil subsidies, and trying to move the f**k beyond oil is why I'm doing my microscopic bit and buying a Tesla. I think the government should be subsidizing EVs so they have an even somewhat level playing field on which to compete against all the oil industry...
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    Lo, you said it wasn't a bailout: I simply corrected a risibly false statement. I think the bailout was a good thing, which the market agrees with, given that Tesla is now valued at roughly 2000 X $475 million. Thanks, Obama! But then I don't have some mythical fawning fanboi fantasy to defend...
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    Yeah, seriously.
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    A government loan at well below market rate to an almost insolvent company that can't raise the capital via private markets is the very definition of a bailout!! Without the $475 Million we taxpayers ponied up, Tesla doesn't even make it into 2010.
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    "People who become cultists are most often lacking important qualities in their life to make them feel comfortable and accepted." From Tesla's own website: Tesla gets loan approval from US Department of Energy June 23, 2009 SAN CARLOS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE) —Tesla Motors has received...
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    No, I think people have different definitions or criteria for judging "greatness". Greatness to me includes people who actually invent or produce or discover things. think Katalin Kariko and mRNA, or James Allison's work on immunotherapy. Or, should it be proved right, Caltech's Konstantin...
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    I'm not quite sure how to break this to you without hurting you deeply, but He didn't figure out how to land rockets. That's like saying that Bill Gates created Windows or Al Gore invented the internet. Musk paid people to figure this out. Good for him. But he didn't figure this out himself any...
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    Lol, this is just cultism. You're so emotionally invested in the BS your fanboi community spins about Musk that any correction to that triggers genuine rage and emotional trauma. Tesla was bailed out in 2010. You can find the documents online. Thanks to California's laws, Tesla was making near...
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    I appreciate the post, and you're utterly right about the cult-like aspects of Tesla fans. Funnily, I find the majority of the most hard core ones don't actually own a Tesla! Not all of them, obviously. I'm similar to the people you describe here. I like cars. I'm still looking forward to owning...
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    Ok, so majors in Economics AND Physics. Great. Also two days at Stanford? I know that; two days anywhere doesn't impress me. You're plainly incorrect about the degree of Eberhard's contribution, but I more or less agree with you that Tesla wouldn't have made it without Musk. But that's also...
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    I have a Tesla Reservation. RN1156*****. And my story is true, thanks. But rather than trying to refute these points, you're just putting your fingers in your ears and shouting. This is what people do when they lose arguments. I'll give my MYLR a chance, but Tesla has done nothing to show me...
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    Couldn't disagree more. Firstly, the man's not even an engineer, let alone "the most effective engineer on the planet." I think his degree's in economics, no? He's very good at taking credit for the work of others, which is an integral entrepreneur skill, but he's been a drag on Tesla for...
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    Appreciate the response. However, if it were just growing pains, I'd be less frustrated with that. All that takes is an email saying "we're sorry, we know the customer experience is less than perfect, and we're working on changing things/ sorting out our EDD algorithms". My problem is that Tesla...
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    There are a number. My main one is with the utter dysfunction of the EDD dates. Mine was Jan when I ordered, then December. Three weeks back it changed to Dec 15-31st, and then a week later changed again to December 23rd-30th. Made sense, end of the quarter rush. Rang my sales agent, who...
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