Yes. Both the ESL and HF game support what I'm saying. They were neck and neck with ESL despite all the same rhetoric that we're seeing today. Then NV started getting similar treatment based on being neck and neck with ESL and we learned that NV was good, but just another team I'm 8A.
LWE had...
NV is just my metaphor for you can't look at a team and assume they'll walk over everyone. Everyone thought exactly the same thing in 2019 then NV monkey wrenched that notion.