Duval was ranked 5th in the country out of high school. He went undrafted ....

[bthaunert]

None of those players left after one year. That is specifically what you said, top-10 players to leave after one year.

I was speaking about 2 of the 21 top 10 recruits going undrafted. I should have changed the 2 sentences around to be a little more clear. Maybe this will be better for you: :

In the same time frame, UK has had 21 top 10 recruits. 3 of them went undrafted. 16 left after 1 year.

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

I was speaking about 2 of the 21 top 10 recruits going undrafted. I should have changed the 2 sentences around to be a little more clear. Maybe this will be better for you: :

In the same time frame, UK has had 21 top 10 recruits. 3 of them went undrafted. 16 left after 1 year.

That would be more accurate. But it still doesn't paint the whole picture. Jamal Murray, Booker, and SGA weren't top-10 recruits but still were drafted in the lottery after one year. Calipari has had 17 one-and-done players drafted in the lottery.

He has had a few players where things didn't pan out, but his resume stacks up head and shoulders above everyone else.

 

[bthaunert]

That would be more accurate. But it still doesn't paint the whole picture. Jamal Murray, Booker, and SGA weren't top-10 recruits but still were drafted in the lottery after one year. Calipari has had 17 one-and-done players drafted in the lottery.

He has had a few players where things didn't pan out, but his resume stacks up head and shoulders above everyone else.

I'm not arguing that his resume doesn't stack up against anyone. The poster I was replying to talked about players at Duke staying too long and going un-drafted in his post. I was simply comparing Top 10 guys and how long they stayed and if they got drafted. Cal does a great job at developing talent, no doubt about that. Everyone misses though on some guys, including Cal.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Did you see the stat showing the last 5 drafts had a Duke guy in the top 5....what they didn't mention is Tatum's the only one so far that has done anything but the jury is still out on Bagley. I think he games doesn't translate well to the NBA but we will see.

 

[akaukswoosh]

kay:

 

[BLUEVADER]

That would be more accurate. But it still doesn't paint the whole picture. Jamal Murray, Booker, and SGA weren't top-10 recruits but still were drafted in the lottery after one year. Calipari has had 17 one-and-done players drafted in the lottery.

He has had a few players where things didn't pan out, but his resume stacks up head and shoulders above everyone else.

Damn right it does and isn't even close! He can use this draft big-time to show what happens if you turn down UK. You are turning down millions end of story

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Honestly, no way I thought SGA would leave after one year. Gets drafted 11th. Wow.

If you come to UK, work and listen, you can reach your goal.

 

[kywildcatsfan#1]

Colossal failure on K's part and Cal needs to slam him with this nonstop on the recruiting trail.

 

[Looksbetterinblue]

Duke Effect!

 

[Rideordiewildcat]

Coach rat not showing much for developing PGs. Top PGs should be begging to come to PGU.

 

[Crin97]

A lot of times teams would completely back off Duval and he was reluctant to shoot anything that was not in the paint. Struggled from FT line too. No team wants that even if he is a talent and is explosive.

 

[WitnessGreatness]

Williams from Texas A & M hurt himself by coming back to. He was projected as a lottery pick last year if memory serves me correct and this year he went late 1st round. Not a huge drop but a drop none the less.

Williams would have went high this year too but attitude and work ethic problems came up

Was kinda proven right too when he "overslept" his first call as Celtic at 11am the day after the draft

 

[WitnessGreatness]

Reminds me of James Blackmon and Booker situation

 

[Dream Team 13]

None of these guys hurt themselves as much as Nerlens did with not signing that deal before last season. Went from a deal that would set generational wealth to hope you get a mil next season type of deal.

 

[numberonedad]

Two years ago Duval's HS team played in the city of palms classic in Ft Myers. I go to the games every years. I stood right next to him in the concession line. I'm 6'1 and was taller than him, even though he was listed at 6'3

 

[bluedog79]

Trevon Duval not getting drafted will kill Duke on the recruiting Trail when it comes to point guards.
If tyus Jones little brother ***** the bed just like Duvall and Thornton did then Duke is done with point guards.
It's pretty devastating if you ask me on the recruiting Trail to have the number one point guard and him not get drafted but Kentucky's 4-star does .
Duke is done stick a fork in them. There's no way they recover from this ********.

 

[1991greywildcat]

Did you see the stat showing the last 5 drafts had a Duke guy in the top 5....what they didn't mention is Tatum's the only one so far that has done anything but the jury is still out on Bagley. I think he games doesn't translate well to the NBA but we will see.

Tatum benefited greatly from playing for the team and coach that he plays for, if he would of went somewhere with no system or quality team around him, could him ever being any better than Jabari Parker..

 

[BlueDevilWildcat]

If tyus Jones little brother ***** the bed just like Duvall and Thornton did then Duke is done with point guards.

What Thornton & Duval show to me is that Duke does a poor job of evaluating PGs. Thornton struggled and ended up on the bench last year with USC. And Duval can't shoot and plays dumb. Tre Jones has been falling in the rankings the last few months and it won't shock me if he struggles a bit next year. Hard to blame that on Duke before he ever gets there (although I'm sure you'll try) - just means to me that the staff is still struggling to evaluate PGs.

Having said that, K wants to win and uses his players in whatever way he thinks gives the team the best chance to win. Cal's top priority isn't winning, it's making his guys look good for draft night. Obviously he wants to win but that appears secondary, at least to me.

I think this played out pretty clearly last year with Duval. He would have looked best with one big instead of two, running PnR all day long. Duke played 2 bigs and hardly ever ran PnR. Contrast that with Richards - he was pretty terrible, and at Duke would never have gotten off the bench. Cal kept starting him, even when it was clear the team was better off with other guys getting his minutes.

As a fan, personally I prefer wins to draft position. But if a less talented recruit is dead set on going pro, and wants a coach that will do his best to make that happen, hard to do better than Cal.

 

[downw/ball-lineD]

The kid should never have played in college Bc he should never have been academically eligible

 

[MNantz]

The only reason that douche bag Tripper Allen got drafted in the first round was because a dukie is the head coach of the team that drafted him . ! I cheered so hard after he missed the shot at the end of the game when they lost to Kansas I thought I was going to be sick !!

 

[MNantz]

Duval nor Bagely should have been been able to play in collage !!

 

[gossie21_rivals69805]

What Thornton & Duval show to me is that Duke does a poor job of evaluating PGs. Thornton struggled and ended up on the bench last year with USC. And Duval can't shoot and plays dumb. Tre Jones has been falling in the rankings the last few months and it won't shock me if he struggles a bit next year. Hard to blame that on Duke before he ever gets there (although I'm sure you'll try) - just means to me that the staff is still struggling to evaluate PGs.

Having said that, K wants to win and uses his players in whatever way he thinks gives the team the best chance to win. Cal's top priority isn't winning, it's making his guys look good for draft night. Obviously he wants to win but that appears secondary, at least to me.

I think this played out pretty clearly last year with Duval. He would have looked best with one big instead of two, running PnR all day long. Duke played 2 bigs and hardly ever ran PnR. Contrast that with Richards - he was pretty terrible, and at Duke would never have gotten off the bench. Cal kept starting him, even when it was clear the team was better off with other guys getting his minutes.

As a fan, personally I prefer wins to draft position. But if a less talented recruit is dead set on going pro, and wants a coach that will do his best to make that happen, hard to do better than Cal.

 

[BBUK_anon]

None of these guys hurt themselves as much as Nerlens did with not signing that deal before last season. Went from a deal that would set generational wealth to hope you get a mil next season type of deal.

Yes they did hurt themselves worse. They are not even in the league. How much worse is that for a basketball player? Oh, Nerlens salary this year was 4.384 million. He will be fine...

Ole coach Cal requires his players to take business courses to learn how to keep their dough. If they don't, it's totally on them.

 

[GonzoCat90]

What Thornton & Duval show to me is that Duke does a poor job of evaluating PGs. Thornton struggled and ended up on the bench last year with USC. And Duval can't shoot and plays dumb. Tre Jones has been falling in the rankings the last few months and it won't shock me if he struggles a bit next year. Hard to blame that on Duke before he ever gets there (although I'm sure you'll try) - just means to me that the staff is still struggling to evaluate PGs.

Having said that, K wants to win and uses his players in whatever way he thinks gives the team the best chance to win. Cal's top priority isn't winning, it's making his guys look good for draft night. Obviously he wants to win but that appears secondary, at least to me.

I think this played out pretty clearly last year with Duval. He would have looked best with one big instead of two, running PnR all day long. Duke played 2 bigs and hardly ever ran PnR. Contrast that with Richards - he was pretty terrible, and at Duke would never have gotten off the bench. Cal kept starting him, even when it was clear the team was better off with other guys getting his minutes.

As a fan, personally I prefer wins to draft position. But if a less talented recruit is dead set on going pro, and wants a coach that will do his best to make that happen, hard to do better than Cal.

Lol look at this.

 

[lkc1021]

Trevon Duval not getting drafted will kill Duke on the recruiting Trail when it comes to point guards.
If tyus Jones little brother ***** the bed just like Duvall and Thornton did then Duke is done with point guards.
It's pretty devastating if you ask me on the recruiting Trail to have the number one point guard and him not get drafted but Kentucky's 4-star does .
Duke is done stick a fork in them. There's no way they recover from this ********.

Try Kyrie Ervin

 

[Hoskins91_rivals]

I bet all of their first rounders this year end up being at least solid. Bagley will likely put up numbers right away.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

What Thornton & Duval show to me is that Duke does a poor job of evaluating PGs. Thornton struggled and ended up on the bench last year with USC. And Duval can't shoot and plays dumb. Tre Jones has been falling in the rankings the last few months and it won't shock me if he struggles a bit next year. Hard to blame that on Duke before he ever gets there (although I'm sure you'll try) - just means to me that the staff is still struggling to evaluate PGs.

Having said that, K wants to win and uses his players in whatever way he thinks gives the team the best chance to win. Cal's top priority isn't winning, it's making his guys look good for draft night. Obviously he wants to win but that appears secondary, at least to me.

I think this played out pretty clearly last year with Duval. He would have looked best with one big instead of two, running PnR all day long. Duke played 2 bigs and hardly ever ran PnR. Contrast that with Richards - he was pretty terrible, and at Duke would never have gotten off the bench. Cal kept starting him, even when it was clear the team was better off with other guys getting his minutes.

As a fan, personally I prefer wins to draft position. But if a less talented recruit is dead set on going pro, and wants a coach that will do his best to make that happen, hard to do better than Cal.

How does the "K wants to win at all costs" narrative stack up when K put legacy ahead of probability when he let Allen, and not Bagley with only Svi guarding him from 5 feet away from the rim - take and miss the game winner against Kansas?

K's a tremendous coach, but there are times he craps the bed and dreams of some enchanted fantasy of "riding the warhorse upperclassman" at the expense of gaining the W.

In that way, he's the anti-Cal, because if K has a weak spot, it's for letting his veterans have more leash than they sometimes deserve.

 

[JC CATS]

Duke effect...

 

[1991greywildcat]

Duval was never gonna drafted with his non shooting ability, matador defense and dumb decision making on and off the court, dude is going to spend alot of time in the D league, before he gets a roster spot..

 

[docholiday51]

How does the "K wants to win at all costs" narrative stack up when K put legacy ahead of probability when he let Allen, and not Bagley with only Svi guarding him from 5 feet away from the rim - take and miss the game winner against Kansas?

K's a tremendous coach, but there are times he craps the bed and dreams of some enchanted fantasy of "riding the warhorse upperclassman" at the expense of gaining the W.

In that way, he's the anti-Cal, because if K has a weak spot, it's for letting his veterans have more leash than they sometimes deserve.

K should be hammered in the media for not winning it all with the team he had last year as much or more than Cal was for not winning with the 38-1 team.

 

[CatColumbia]

Just proves that Cal is light years ahead of every coach when it comes to the OAD.

Although I agree, don't go celebrating too hard. Briscoe was a top ranked point gawd and he also went undrafted.

 

[CatColumbia]

Zion is trouble, mark my words. I am glad we didn’t get him.

I agree. Unless he does some major work on his re-shaping his body and works on creating a consistent jump shot, I just don't see him being in the NBA. Even if he came here he would have been one of those guys who would probably be ridiculed by our fan base but would still leave after one year (i.e. Skal, Hami, Goodwin, etc.)

 

[lkc1021]

Honestly, no way I thought SGA would leave after one year. Gets drafted 11th. Wow.

If you come to UK, work and listen, you can reach your goal.

Of course you also must have talent.

 

[mustnotsleepnow]

Duval was never gonna drafted with his non shooting ability, matador defense and dumb decision making on and off the court, dude is going to spend alot of time in the D league, before he gets a roster spot..

I don't know about that. Plenty of point guards have been drafted with a broken shot.

 

[numberonedad]

The kid should never have played in college Bc he should never have been academically eligible

Four high schools in four years. I had a well respected AAU coach tell me there was no way in hell he could have got an eligible score on the ACT

 

[1991greywildcat]

Yes, plenty with broken shots have been drafted, but they always have some other quality about them that was elite, like passing, speed, decision making, Duval's game is not at an elite level and will not not translate to league good, especially with the way it is gravitating towards shooters at every position, also he does not have very good size, at barely 6'2..

 

[1991greywildcat]

Yes, plenty with broken shots have been drafted, but they always have some other quality about them that was elite, like passing, speed, decision making, Duval's game is not at an elite level and will not not translate to league good, especially with the way it is gravitating towards shooters at every position, also he does not have very good size, at barely 6'2..

 

[LadyCaytIL]

We've had some 5 stars go undrafted too so lets not act too much like jerks because they can always throw some back in our face..... but it is really funny that its happened to Duke with what they claimed to be the best team / recruiting class in forever.

 

[bluedog79]

1. I love this thread and think it should be stickied at the top of forum. I think it should atleast be brought to the top of the heap everyday.
2. DUKE screwed up good with this one. I wanna be reminded of it everyday.

3. that's all I got. go big blue!

 

[Big_Blue79]

As tough as it is for college hoops fans to admit, there is very little justification for doing anything other than striking when you are hot. I used to try to rationalize that guys could come back and make money by improving their position and that does happen.

Development is better in the NBA as well, especially now that most teams have their own D-league affiliates. No school to worry about, no restrictions on contact/practice, and being trained for an NBA role and style of play rather than whatever the college coach needs. It's really a no-brainer.