Come on now... how come none of this was an issue until the recruiting took a dip? Bottom line is we have a lot trying to find things to gripe and complain about right now. If he would have landed Zion and the team hadn’t lost the last 2 games the questions about his coaching and methods wouldn’t be questioned.
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Come on now... how come none of this was an issue until the recruiting took a dip? Bottom line is we have a lot trying to find things to gripe and complain about right now. If he would have landed Zion and the team hadn’t lost the last 2 games the questions about his coaching and methods wouldn’t be questioned.
You effin troll. Get off our board Louisville fan.Hello Wildcat fans.
Been a tough week for you all, and I seemed to raise a stir about some comments I made Sunday morning when I had a few minutes to check-in on this board. I’ve avoid posting and viewing lately because everytime I post it gets negative. Not just post by me, but people in general. Geez people, do you not realize you have one of the best programs and coaches in the nation? Maybe it’s the way I grew up and live, but life is so much better and more enjoyable when you’re positive.
So I figured I’ll post on some “rumors” that are not for certain to happen, but this is what I have heard. TAKE FOR A GRAIN OF SALT.
- Assistant Coaching Comment- I have in fact heard that there has some fillers out to some younger coaches about who they could bring to Kentucky. Now, you have to realize that the job of an assistant is getting players to your school. In most circumstances, assistants lose their jobs if they can’t deliver for their head coach. If it’s not a NBA guy, look at top Nike school assistants.
- As far as which coach leaves for UK. I assume unless Payne gets a head job, it’ll be Barbee. The young assistant Justus is supposedly doing well with connections with younger classes. This may not pay off this year, but in the next few years he will be seen as an asset. I know there is a relationship with Barbee. Just my reading between the lines.
- NBA Comment- I have heard that several former NBA players WOULD be in play if any openings were too occur. It’s not fair to those guys that I mention anything because people obviously read these posts and rumors spread like wildfire. I as a coach wouldn’t want people spreading gossip that I’m leaving my kids in the middle of the season. I WILL say this: Look at the former NBA players who are active in coaching high level kids. NOT saying a new assistant WILL be a former league guy, just know there are some interest.
- This Team- I’m shocked by this team in all honesty by the fact that they have won as much as they have. I think we all (including coaching staff” overrated the “SKILL” level of this Kentucky team. There isn’t a lot of good ball handling or other essential skills that are needed to win in March. This includes basketball IQ, which is one of my top qualities I look for in players. Blame Cal, blame AAU, blame whoever you want. However, these kids should know how to play basketball by now. This isn’t normal or typical for previous Coach Cal teams. Hopefully the return of Vanderbilt will help you all. He’s both skilled and has a high BBIQ.
- Coach Cal- I think he should consider changing the type of players he recruits.. 5-10 years ago it was okay to bully people and get big bodies and just grind on them. Now the game is being much more finesse, and the skill and shooting levels of non-elite players are higher than even. The game is going more towards floor spacing, driving, then kick-out jump shots. You combine that with UK’s length and lacking of lateral quickness, you get a more level playing field Just an outsider looking on, it seems like UK hasn’t recruited guys like that in past few years. Basketball is an ever changing game, coaches adapt to what's working. For example, the match-up zone was a big thing just a few years ago. You got to adapt.
- Recruiting (The big one)- I think the Kentucky brand is no longer the “IT” school right now. Other schools are finding more and more ways to outduel UK on the trail. I think part of it is that Coach Cal is now perceived as being too hard on his players(the antics on the sidelines). Look, I work with millenials all the time, they’re soft. Most can’t handle the kind of “old school” coaching that Cal does, it’s hurting him some with kids. I’m sure some of you all have kids that age, it’s just how this world is going. It makes them harder to coach. Another reason is the fact more kids are having success staying close to home.
- Next Year Cats- I think the three they currently have will help next year. They all are highly skilled and smart players who can score in multiple ways. Keldon and Quickley are top 10 in my mind. Herro is a great outside shooter that could be a big time player. I also think you’ll see 3-4 leave. A couple because of the NBA, and a couple because it’s just not working out.
You guys have a top 5 coach in America, sure you guys are getting more critical of him, and rightfully so. However if you don’t think that Coach Cal is going to just sit back and not take some type of action and change some things this offseason, then you don’t know how he operates. He now has some pressure on him, which is probably good for everyone.
For those wanting a new coach, you won’t get a better package of everything involved within a coach than Cal. However, my first call would be to Tony Bennett. He won’t be at Virginia too much longer. That’s the next great coach. Besides me of course
Lastly, save the I’m fake or don’t know anything posts. The last post I made had enough of those and I’m sure I already know the haters feel. #FakeNews
I'll answer anything else I can, please @ me, so it'll show up in my alerts.
Just kidding Coach. Thanks for your analysis. No matter how misguided it may be.
He gets the look the other way enabler award from the media.
I was being tongue in cheek. Actually sounded good to me. If he's using second handed material under the guise of hot off his press, it will come to light. For now, I give him the "Benefit Of The Doubt Award".
Coach, I'm curious if we're hurt by Cal not taking the team to the pre season Nike tournament, also he won't take them to Hawaii or other tourneys. I think these kids want to play other great teams, go against other name players. We play at Rupp in a 3 game tournament against lower div 1 teams. Is that a factor in recruiting?
This guy has to be the best troll ever. Has half the board fooled with this nonsense. I have to admit at one point I also believed this stuff.
Sounds as if he waded through the drivel and picked out the intelligent posts to summarize, if that's true.
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Hello Wildcat fans.
Been a tough week for you all, and I seemed to raise a stir about some comments I made Sunday morning when I had a few minutes to check-in on this board. I’ve avoid posting and viewing lately because everytime I post it gets negative. Not just post by me, but people in general. Geez people, do you not realize you have one of the best programs and coaches in the nation? Maybe it’s the way I grew up and live, but life is so much better and more enjoyable when you’re positive.
So I figured I’ll post on some “rumors” that are not for certain to happen, but this is what I have heard. TAKE FOR A GRAIN OF SALT.
- Assistant Coaching Comment- I have in fact heard that there has some fillers out to some younger coaches about who they could bring to Kentucky. Now, you have to realize that the job of an assistant is getting players to your school. In most circumstances, assistants lose their jobs if they can’t deliver for their head coach. If it’s not a NBA guy, look at top Nike school assistants.
- As far as which coach leaves for UK. I assume unless Payne gets a head job, it’ll be Barbee. The young assistant Justus is supposedly doing well with connections with younger classes. This may not pay off this year, but in the next few years he will be seen as an asset. I know there is a relationship with Barbee. Just my reading between the lines.
- NBA Comment- I have heard that several former NBA players WOULD be in play if any openings were too occur. It’s not fair to those guys that I mention anything because people obviously read these posts and rumors spread like wildfire. I as a coach wouldn’t want people spreading gossip that I’m leaving my kids in the middle of the season. I WILL say this: Look at the former NBA players who are active in coaching high level kids. NOT saying a new assistant WILL be a former league guy, just know there are some interest.
- This Team- I’m shocked by this team in all honesty by the fact that they have won as much as they have. I think we all (including coaching staff” overrated the “SKILL” level of this Kentucky team. There isn’t a lot of good ball handling or other essential skills that are needed to win in March. This includes basketball IQ, which is one of my top qualities I look for in players. Blame Cal, blame AAU, blame whoever you want. However, these kids should know how to play basketball by now. This isn’t normal or typical for previous Coach Cal teams. Hopefully the return of Vanderbilt will help you all. He’s both skilled and has a high BBIQ.
- Coach Cal- I think he should consider changing the type of players he recruits.. 5-10 years ago it was okay to bully people and get big bodies and just grind on them. Now the game is being much more finesse, and the skill and shooting levels of non-elite players are higher than even. The game is going more towards floor spacing, driving, then kick-out jump shots. You combine that with UK’s length and lacking of lateral quickness, you get a more level playing field Just an outsider looking on, it seems like UK hasn’t recruited guys like that in past few years. Basketball is an ever changing game, coaches adapt to what's working. For example, the match-up zone was a big thing just a few years ago. You got to adapt.
- Recruiting (The big one)- I think the Kentucky brand is no longer the “IT” school right now. Other schools are finding more and more ways to outduel UK on the trail. I think part of it is that Coach Cal is now perceived as being too hard on his players(the antics on the sidelines). Look, I work with millenials all the time, they’re soft. Most can’t handle the kind of “old school” coaching that Cal does, it’s hurting him some with kids. I’m sure some of you all have kids that age, it’s just how this world is going. It makes them harder to coach. Another reason is the fact more kids are having success staying close to home.
- Next Year Cats- I think the three they currently have will help next year. They all are highly skilled and smart players who can score in multiple ways. Keldon and Quickley are top 10 in my mind. Herro is a great outside shooter that could be a big time player. I also think you’ll see 3-4 leave. A couple because of the NBA, and a couple because it’s just not working out.
You guys have a top 5 coach in America, sure you guys are getting more critical of him, and rightfully so. However if you don’t think that Coach Cal is going to just sit back and not take some type of action and change some things this offseason, then you don’t know how he operates. He now has some pressure on him, which is probably good for everyone.
For those wanting a new coach, you won’t get a better package of everything involved within a coach than Cal. However, my first call would be to Tony Bennett. He won’t be at Virginia too much longer. That’s the next great coach. Besides me of course
Lastly, save the I’m fake or don’t know anything posts. The last post I made had enough of those and I’m sure I already know the haters feel. #FakeNews
I'll answer anything else I can, please @ me, so it'll show up in my alerts.
Like I've always said to ya Coach, pay no attention to the haters on here. They're a very small percentage of those on here but always seem to be the loudest. The VAST majority of us enjoy your post and your input. Always appreciate you coming around. Now to the post......
I think that's fair criticism of Cal, IMO. However, like you said, if you think he is going to just sit back and take it without a game plan moving forward then you don't know how he operates. The comment that stuck out to me the most, as I'm sure it did with others, was the statement about a couple players leaving because if wasn't "working out". That struck me as surprised. Is this just your opinion from the outside or have you heard some rumblings? Usually this kind of stuff has some rumblings if true, that's why I'm curious as to what you mean. A lot of times this comes from players "people" that like to get the word out. So, I'm definitely curious to hear your take on this. We all know that Cal coaches these kids hard and definitely seems to be extra hard this year but it's the first time I've heard of this being an issue. I think the kids need to be coaches hard and it's rather difficult to argue with Cal's results with these young teams. I think he coaches them hard because he needs to see results in such a short period of time. Like I said, it's hard to argue with the results but I wouldn't mind to see a little less antics and a little less " You MFer" on the sidelines. I don't think that was a good look for Cal, especially if what you're saying is true and players are starting to get turned off by his sideline demeanor. Again, is this something that you're hearing on the circuit or just putting 2 and 2 together. Look forward to your respond and again, thanks for coming by with your input.
Oh. I can't read sometimes.
Didn't really feel like I was coming off that way. There's just no way of knowing anything about him based off of his post. I believe him that he coaches, but that doesn't mean he's hearing the right things about UK. His post was so general a high school kid could have read this board for 1 day and wrote that. He's wrong about a lot too.
Cal said today what is happening.
We all ready have Bennett here now. Cal slows every procession down now. Just let are players play fast and use there athletic ability and maybe we could score more.
The defence has gotton better since the beginning of the season. I still beleive go cats!!
The defence has gotton better since the beginning of the season. I still beleive go cats!!
For god sakes people, coach K has a mouth that would make most on this board blush. If you've ever sat close to their bench you would see and hear that he makes Cal look like an angel. I was embarrassed to be sitting with my female cousin and hearing it!!! He is absolutely worse than Cal ripping players, and in my opinion I don't think it effects recruits much if any. And if it did, the see ya, go elsewhere!!!!
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Hard to believe that any big time player has not been exposed to foul language from coaches before. Scroll back about 20-30 years ago and it was hard to find a coach that didn't curse like a drunk German sailor.
I don't know why anyone would want someone that getting yelled at hurts more than losing an bad play to play for us anyway.
Doesn’t fit the narrative. These people bashing Cal for his “tough in your face” coaching wouldn’t be saying **** had our recruiting stayed at its peak. Everyone wants to point the finger at something. Any and everything. There is a reason Cal is a master motivator. And it’s not from sitting on the bench with his damn legs crossed.
Saban wins when it counts. That gives you a pedestal that puts all your flaws in the background.
Would that not be better than one more year of high school + one year at college?
Anyone think "coach" sounds a lot like Greg Hoover from back in the day.
I may be wrong but no way in hell does a D1 asst. take the time or give a rats *** as to pass on inside info to any fan base.
For others more knowledgeable than me, what info has "coach" provided that gives him credibility.
Is there a defining bit of info that he has posted in the past that makes him likely to be legit?
I may be wrong but no way in hell does a D1 asst. take the time or give a rats *** as to pass on inside info to any fan base.
For others more knowledgeable than me, what info has "coach" provided that gives him credibility.
Is there a defining bit of info that he has posted in the past that makes him likely to be legit?
I can’t believe that so many posters on this board have been sucked in by this phantom “Deep Throat” “coach” He basically paraphrases what others have already posted many times over.
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I think #5 is on point. At the first March Madness, Cal showed us what an innovative salesmen he was. He certainly knows how to market the brand and create enthusiasm.
But, unfortunately, sometimes the pitch doesn't line up with the product. For a guy that is always ahead of the curve, he doesn't seem to have recognized and adjusted accordingly to what style of basketball is being played in 2018. This could simply be a matter of him being stubborn, but regardless of the reason, he must adapt.
But, unfortunately, sometimes the pitch doesn't line up with the product. For a guy that is always ahead of the curve, he doesn't seem to have recognized and adjusted accordingly to what style of basketball is being played in 2018. This could simply be a matter of him being stubborn, but regardless of the reason, he must adapt.
As always, I enjoy what coach has to say...
I take what he says, and ALMOST everything else I read on here with a grain of salt.
I love sorting through the info that people post, and figuring out for myself whats legitimate and whats not.
That's a big part of my enjoyment on here...
I take what he says, and ALMOST everything else I read on here with a grain of salt.
I love sorting through the info that people post, and figuring out for myself whats legitimate and whats not.
That's a big part of my enjoyment on here...
A few more thoughts:
This board worships Brad Stevens but doesn't think Tony Bennett is exciting enough to coach here. With Gordon Hayward, Shelvin Mack and Matt Howard, playing against Horizon league competition, Butler was 177th in points per game and 78th in offensive efficiency.
Odd difference.
-I also don't buy the screaming recruiting thing. Kids didn't suddenly change and Cal has always coached that way.
This board worships Brad Stevens but doesn't think Tony Bennett is exciting enough to coach here. With Gordon Hayward, Shelvin Mack and Matt Howard, playing against Horizon league competition, Butler was 177th in points per game and 78th in offensive efficiency.
Odd difference.
-I also don't buy the screaming recruiting thing. Kids didn't suddenly change and Cal has always coached that way.
You make a good point on the Saban issue,it is a different sport,players have a different mindset but he is more of a tyrant than Cal will ever be.I think the second point is more about how OAD players have evolved over the years than OAD "running it's course.Cousins,Wall MKG,AD,KAT were in some ways more mature than the last couple of years of OAD's. Yes,they were more talented but they were mostly a year older,even Cousins(with all his antics)was mentally tougher on the basketball court than anyone we have right now.They were more ready for the NBA than the later versions of OAD's have been(yet they still move on anyway
If the NBA moves to going right out of high school I think they will find pretty quickly that they won't be getting what they think they will be getting(with the exception of 2 or 3 players per year)In the final numbers it will harm more players than it will help.the NBA will be weakened by this move and college ball will be better after a couple of years
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When was the last time the number 1 recruit said man I really want to be in college 2 years. Called OAD for a reason
When was the last time the number 1 recruit was forced to stay in college an extra year due to age?
Not sure how you wouldn’t think 2 years at uk would not be as good as one more year high school and one year at uk.
Thanks for being a douche of epic proportions. @CoachX11 always comes here to share information with us and is a very welcomed poster.
I'm not saying it couldn't be beneficial, just that if he came early A) He'd be the youngest player in college bball and have an under developed body that could lead to him getting "exposed" his freshman year and B) most kids enjoy their HS life, and you can only do your Sr year once, ever thought he might want to be a MCD AA or play in the jordan brand game? These things mean something to 17 yr old kids
Name ONE piece of credible info he has ever shared.
If he's entertainment for you just say it. Nothing wrong with that.
The fact that he's an actual D1 assistant coach that comes here out of the goodness of his heart to give BBN the heads up is complete and total ********.
This board has been around over 20 yrs. There have been several "coach x11's" over the years.
To be an insider you have to do it for a living ala Daniels,Meyer,etc
To be a true insider you would literally have to hack the coaching staff email's to really know what's going on.
People give there opinion as fact some like to make long *** posts in doing so.
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Im with you. So are the options either 2 years at UK or 1 HS/1 UK? Not sure how 2 years at UK isnt the preferred option.
Actually there's a few no one bashes because their info has at least been close. I don't think coach is lying, I bet he coaches somewhere, but he's not getting the info he thinks he is. I think out of around 7 predictions I've seen, he's never gotten one right. Even for someone guessing, that's hard to do.
And his comments about Cals coaching style are bogus AF. not close to the truth.
But it is what it is. He's still got half of the board following, so he won't go anywhere don't worry. He won't do that until he loses his approval down to 10%. Which will probably be this summer after he whiffs on the next 10 players and people say to hell with it.
Actually most think he will. why would you play an extra year in HS when you could play 2 at the higher level? Doesn't make much sense. But he won't announce it til after summer ball just like Bagley so he can play it . I'd be shocked if Wiseman wasn't on our team.