"I would expect more than one title."
That narrative is only going to get louder and louder as the years go by.
That narrative is only going to get louder and louder as the years go by.
Stephen A. Smith Makes The Case That Cal Is Underachieving
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Listening to SAS is really your problem...
He's an idiot. And it's not surprising that you would post his nonsense.
You must be so happy today.
You must be so happy today.
Super troll zaytovencat with a quote from super troll Stephen A. Smith. Marriage made in heaven.
He gets paid to kick hornets nests. Of course he's going to say that.
Steven A Smith is not someone that will convince me of anything, I immediately go in the opposite direction
Troll Zay posting dumbass Stephen A's takes. Fits Zay's agenda
I didn't watch, but his arguments will most likely be selective argument.
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Only by people with an agenda. Cals record shows he does more with underclassmen. And he won't put it in these kids heads they need to stay like schools like UNC and Duke does. Ask couch K how easy it is to win with underclassmen
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I bet Zaytoven spent all morning looking for something like this. I am a little surprised it took him/her/it till 11am to find something
SAS is full retard and its hard to win titles, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed with only one title from Cal at this point. We've had at least 2 or 3 teams that should have won.
He is right, when Calipari eventually moves on, he does need to have more than one title, but the OAD strategy is working and it is just as hard if not harder to build a well balanced veteran team over a few years. It is hard to win it all every year no matter what. Calipari has only failed to make it to the second weekend twice since he has been at UK so he is consistent and just as we saw yesterday, the margin of error is so small.
Remember, according to most, it was going to take years for Calipari to rebuild UK......hmmmmmmm
Also, let's remember the most important thing, since Calipari has been at UK, UofL, Syracuse, UNC, and other schools have been involved in some pretty shady things. UK is doing it with class
Remember, according to most, it was going to take years for Calipari to rebuild UK......hmmmmmmm
Also, let's remember the most important thing, since Calipari has been at UK, UofL, Syracuse, UNC, and other schools have been involved in some pretty shady things. UK is doing it with class
You are one I would love to see banned.
Dont give that fool any air time or clicks on here .. Stevie boy in the ultimate troll.
8 titles in over 100 years, and you are whining about Cal?
Ridiculous, just like your mentor, Stephen A.
Why do you play basketball? Why do you score points in the game? To WIN. What is the ultimate prize and the ultimate goal? Championships. That is how you measure true success. What SAS is saying is simply with the talent that is being distributed at UK how come we don't have more titles? Of course it's a valid question to ask. When Cal got hired I knew his OAD system would be his bane. Of course it's super impressive to take Kentucky to Championship game as an 8 seed. He did that with all freshman. But guess what? He didn't win that one. We lost. I am not saying that Cal is not successful at UK, he's miles above Tubby. Cal would have 1 title, check. But SHOULD have at least 2 before he retires. Hopefully he will.
I just woke up and the only reason I knew that he said it was because the ESPN app sent me a notification.
Hard to win when there are so many HATERS stacking the deck against you
At first, the narrative was, "It can't be done." Now it has become, "You're not doing it enough."
There's a reason why only two teams have ever really done this. It's not easy. And even then, the man has brought his team to the final weekend multiple times and to the Elite Eight where anything can happen in a one and done tournament.
And calling yesterday a failure is BS considering those players did enough to win the game and had it taken from them by terrible officiating and even then, it took a last second shot to do it.
Even with all of this, he's had one actual down year and another mediocre year that still resulted in an SEC title. But look what we have done despite being put in the toughest brackets every single year. We don't get to coast to Final Fours in garbage brackets like Gonzaga or Duke. We get the gauntlet.
2017- Elite 8
2016- Round of 32
2015- Final Four
2014-Runner-up
2013-NIT
2012-National champions
2011-Final Four
2010-Elite 8
So in six of his eight years, he has had us among the last eight teams playing and in four occasions, the last weekend of the season. Then look at how we lost each of those games in the last weekend.
2015-Two or three horrendous calls killed us. The shot clock violation that counted changed everything. It was such a factor that they changed the rule the next year.
2011- Lost by one point despite an embarrassing travel-flop called a foul in front of referee Higgins and a goaltend on a Knight shot that should have counted.
There's a reason why only two teams have ever really done this. It's not easy. And even then, the man has brought his team to the final weekend multiple times and to the Elite Eight where anything can happen in a one and done tournament.
And calling yesterday a failure is BS considering those players did enough to win the game and had it taken from them by terrible officiating and even then, it took a last second shot to do it.
Even with all of this, he's had one actual down year and another mediocre year that still resulted in an SEC title. But look what we have done despite being put in the toughest brackets every single year. We don't get to coast to Final Fours in garbage brackets like Gonzaga or Duke. We get the gauntlet.
2017- Elite 8
2016- Round of 32
2015- Final Four
2014-Runner-up
2013-NIT
2012-National champions
2011-Final Four
2010-Elite 8
So in six of his eight years, he has had us among the last eight teams playing and in four occasions, the last weekend of the season. Then look at how we lost each of those games in the last weekend.
2015-Two or three horrendous calls killed us. The shot clock violation that counted changed everything. It was such a factor that they changed the rule the next year.
2011- Lost by one point despite an embarrassing travel-flop called a foul in front of referee Higgins and a goaltend on a Knight shot that should have counted.
You guys get so sensitive so easily. I too do not like Steven A. BUT, thinking Cal has underachieved is a fair opinion to have...right or wrong.
Many pundits have that opinion. The facts are that Cal has put 500 players in the NBA and has one title. You can make a judgement about that. And if someone decides he's underachieved, it's not an outrageous opinion.
Stop whining and deal with the fact that Cal needs another title to shut some of these people up. It is what it is.
Many pundits have that opinion. The facts are that Cal has put 500 players in the NBA and has one title. You can make a judgement about that. And if someone decides he's underachieved, it's not an outrageous opinion.
Stop whining and deal with the fact that Cal needs another title to shut some of these people up. It is what it is.
Which is an idiotic take, not stupid, borderline clinically retarded take. Cal's record at UK stacks up favorably compared to anyone not coaching Duke, period. Sure we'd love to have more titles, but so would everyone else.
And the argument that he underachieves because he gets top talent is selectively choosing to ignore that he only gets them for one year. This goes to SA, our fans or anyone who wants to take up that argument. There is only one person who could argue that they've had better results than Cal, ONE. So if that's underachieving then so be it.
For me, I'm happy as heck that Cal is coaching UK and that this team played their hearts out yesterday.
They can't have it both ways. Tubby won 1 title in 10 years and went to just 1 final four. The talking heads all crowed that we were crazy to let him go and that he wasn't underachieving and that he was a great coach. Now, in 8 year Calipari has 1 title and 4 final fours and yet they want to say he is underachieving!? You can't have it both ways.
why do you add condition to your argument? Why does it matter if he has sent players to NBA...?
At the end of the day, what is your record.
1. 1 title, only one coach with more.
2. Most final four within that time span
3. Best tourney record at 26 wins next is ONLY 20, coach K. Self has 19?
4. Either UK or KU has the most wins since he became a coach. I think KU might have one more win.
5. 5 SEC regular season champ, and 5 SEC tourney champs.
6. Championship classic, only coach with winning record against 3 other HoF. Quite a statement.
7. Has great winning record against HoF coaches.
Underachieved?
We do live in a bizarre world of misplaced priorities.
This season alone, a girl was raped in a Kansas athletic dorm. A Kansas player, perhaps the most acclaimed freshman in CBB is involved in an incident where a felony has been reduced to a misdemeanor while others have been implicated in drugs and sexual assault.
As we sit here today, Louisville is enjoying a national title that was earned in part using players that were enticed with sexual favors from prostitutes. One of the University's arguments is that the the strippers and prostitutes weren't very expensive so that their employment didn't constitute a major advantage. For the record, the NCAA's response to the UL defense was released just last week.
North Carolina is enjoying multiple final four appearances and has a 2005 NCAA Championship that was made possible by using players that we now know didn't attend class. Rashad McCants, second leading scorer on the team, admits he never went to class that year. Although there is no question that UNC enticed players using a shadow curriculum of phony classes that NEVER MET, to this date, not even a smack of repercussion.
Steven A Smith: My big story is Cal is underachieving with the talent at Kentucky.
This season alone, a girl was raped in a Kansas athletic dorm. A Kansas player, perhaps the most acclaimed freshman in CBB is involved in an incident where a felony has been reduced to a misdemeanor while others have been implicated in drugs and sexual assault.
As we sit here today, Louisville is enjoying a national title that was earned in part using players that were enticed with sexual favors from prostitutes. One of the University's arguments is that the the strippers and prostitutes weren't very expensive so that their employment didn't constitute a major advantage. For the record, the NCAA's response to the UL defense was released just last week.
North Carolina is enjoying multiple final four appearances and has a 2005 NCAA Championship that was made possible by using players that we now know didn't attend class. Rashad McCants, second leading scorer on the team, admits he never went to class that year. Although there is no question that UNC enticed players using a shadow curriculum of phony classes that NEVER MET, to this date, not even a smack of repercussion.
Steven A Smith: My big story is Cal is underachieving with the talent at Kentucky.
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thanks for the summary it is incredibly impressive Cal can write his own contract for life.
I don't really get why expectations are higher just because we run through more talent here. I have the same expectations whether we have a new crop of 5 stars each year or not. Am I supposed to go easier on the next coach if they prefer 4 year players?
Cal does need another title to be thought of among the great coaches, but titles are hard to come by and we have been as successful as anybody since he has been here.
Cal does need another title to be thought of among the great coaches, but titles are hard to come by and we have been as successful as anybody since he has been here.
Post of the day. Wish I could like this a billion times
Up late celebrating?
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I have never watched his show and really don't care what he says. The next time he roots for UK to win will be his first time. So let him talk, I have better things to do.
We trade experience for talent and come out way better than average even for a top tier program. If cal had a roster full of 5 stars they were all juniors and seniors then yeah I would be disappointed with only one title. however that is not the case.
I'm sure you're happy that Cal is underachieving by your standards. Joe B only had one title and I don't think he underachieved.
We have this reputation even pre-Cal that we expect a national title every year and that's not true. All we ever asked was to be in the conversation and consistently be in the running for one. Cal has done that for us. We've had what? Two years where we didn't think we could get to the Final Four?
I said this in another thread the other day but how many times has the best team in the country actually won the championship in recent history? Since Cal has been here, it has happened twice; 2012 Kentucky and 2013 Louisville. It's a one and done tourney and anything can happen. Right now, we have South Carolina in the Final Four. Does anyone think they're one of the four best teams in the country? Nope.
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Cal's an easy mark but UK shouldn't get any credit for playing by the rules. You do that regardless.
I don't know who the bigger moron is- you or him.
With takes like that you should post more often . Outstanding stuff .
If we are being honest with ourselves, we should have won the 2015 title. Besides that, it is very hard to win a title and usually the best team doesn't win it. 2010 maybe as well, but we just went cold AF from the outside.
That being said, who has had a better 8 year run than Cal, besides maybe Dook. Wouldn't trade Cal for anyone else, thats for damn sure.
That being said, who has had a better 8 year run than Cal, besides maybe Dook. Wouldn't trade Cal for anyone else, thats for damn sure.
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