have to have more 3-4 yr players period! These freshman have been a debacle in big games
Time to change the recruiting methodology
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I agree 100%. Watching nothing but freshman is old.
Time to expect 6-10 losses every year with a new team every year..Will have a chance in March, but will take a lot of L's through the year..
Cal's best team(2012) had 2 sophomores and a senior playing major minutes
it's got little to do with age, it's an imbalanced roster missing key pieces needed to win a title
True. I can handle the youth, but I'm not sure if Cal has done a poor job with filling out the rest or if it's been some just bad luck, or maybe it's both.
Which will probably continue to happen as we don't recruit enough balance year to year. We're always missing something, always.
It can be fixed, but Cal isn't going to. I've said it before, he's running this system like it's 2008. He has glamorous ideas about what he can accomplish using 3-5 freshman starters yearly and it's not working as well as we could be doing. Just let go, recruit specific players for specific roles. Don't just blindly follow a system, that's the fastest way to screw up. The word, again, is adjust.
He's now got too much competition for the OAD athlete. They're going all over now plus Duke and Kansas recruit their fare share. UCLA is picking up and they will now join that conversation being in California.
People need to wake up to it before you're saying "four final fours" and poof thats gonna be 4 years old. I know correlation doesn't always mean causation, but it's also a necessary ingredient for causation. Looking at the roster next year, we could be regressing. Both on the court and the roster.
Maybe.
I would like to see Cal go the Grad transfer route for next year rather than signing anymore freshman guards. I think if we could find a couple good one, or at least 1 good one (ala Damien Lee) it could be an awesome situation.
Imagine next years class with a couple grad transfers that shoot 40% from deep and know how to score. That's what I want.
Imagine next years class with a couple grad transfers that shoot 40% from deep and know how to score. That's what I want.
He just needs a little more forethought and better internal roster evaluation, this year he should have known the bigs behind Adebayo were just not good enough. I don't know how hard he tried to get Jared Allen, we all remember Bolden, so I think he knew to some extent, but he didn't get the roster I'm betting he really wanted.
He IS recruiting multi-year players as supplemental pieces, but so far that has been a relative bust. He has to do better there too.
Had imbalanced roster last year and this year.
Whining about freshman isn't going to cut it.
We have 2 seniors playing a lot this year. They are not that great.
We have a sophomore, he isnt great.
We just are not as good as we hoped we would be.
Telling a coach not to recruit the best players available is kinda silly fellas.
Whining about freshman isn't going to cut it.
We have 2 seniors playing a lot this year. They are not that great.
We have a sophomore, he isnt great.
We just are not as good as we hoped we would be.
Telling a coach not to recruit the best players available is kinda silly fellas.
Yea but he seems to be content on Kentucky 3/4 stars and a few transfers that really arent intended on being anything other than practice. He's not recruiting Dorsey, Dosier, and CDR types and I think he could.
yes, but two seniors that he took because they had some decent potential, from Kentucky, would hold up in practice and fill minutes. Not to be a big part of the picture. I don't believe it because Cal would prefer just to have a true 6 man rotation. He's not recruiting Hawkins to be the guys some of us are talking about.
Just not a good team right now. Don't see a leader out there. Starting 4 frosh and a soph. None of them are showing leadership right now. Two losses at home? I understandND they were against good teams but losses at home feel like more than just one loss.
Where is the fight and passion? Seems like like it's no big deal to some of them.
Where is the fight and passion? Seems like like it's no big deal to some of them.
I dont see why people think he will be able to recruit 4-6 top 20 players and still get 2-3 top 100 players too?
These top 100 kids want to play.
As I've said, Kansas has done it, Duke does it, Arizona I believe nabs a few blues and fishes in the 50-100.
I'm not saying he should change much or be those programs, just reflect and "be the best version of yourself". I don't believe this is the best roster building Cal can do. Not sure I'll ever buy that.
They have Willis, Hawkins, Briscoe, Mulder, really? When Cal recruits guys that stay 4 years we moan and groan about them 4 years. Willis can't play, why is Hawkins in there? Tubby and Billy G recruited 4 year players, how did that work out?
We need to recruit a big man project every year like Issac and Ty hoping that by their JR or SR year they actually can produce minutes. Right now it would be nice to have a Dom who is a big man. Right now we have nothing when Bam gets a couple early fouls.
Remind me again why @GOING FOR #9 , or anyone who agrees with him, isn't making 8 million dollars annually?
Whoa whoa there. Remind me again why Coach Cal (Who's making 8 million a year) is more concerned with draft night than winning National Titles ? Remind me again why Coach Cal (Who, again, is making 8 million a year) only has one 30+ win season since 2012 and has only gotten us one 1 seed since 2012 ?
Yeah! Like last year. If only we would have had a couple juniors and a senior in the front court we might have won the whole thing!
Those programs have done it. Arizona has been to zero Final Fours since Cal got here. KU has been to 1.
Duke has been to 2. Of course K won them both so the other seasons are essentially forgotten. Just like most of Cal's ills would be forgotten if we closed the deal in '14 or '15.
We really are dancing on the head of a pin here. Let's see how this season plays out. And the next one.
If we go three straight years with round of 32/Sweet 16 type teams then it will be easier to say that Cal's deal isn't working.
But what if Princeton beats us in 2011? What if Aaron misses a shot in '14?
The line between success and failure is razor thin.
Its funny how ppl can manipulate #s to make their agenda work. Steve just mentioned how Cal has only one 30 win season and one #1 seed since 2012, but fails to mention the 2 FFs in that 4 yr period. JMO, but i would rather have a FF over a 30 win season or a #1 seed any day.
You and I have always disagreed on this Brian. I continue to believe the proper team building pattern would be 2-3 elite players, based on specific needs, and the rest from the 40-150 range. I'm convinced more than ever that '12 was a fluke. A few things lined up to allow us to win the title. We had a highly skilled and experienced senior, we had two highly skilled sophomores who had some good experience and we had a once in a lifetime talent in AD. We had talent in every position but most either had some good experience or they were very special players. We don't have that now. Next year will be worse.
Our relative success has created a smoke and mirrors situation that has served to cement Cals idea that team building in this manner is best. We hear from the mountain tops "look at our wins", "look at our final fours", "he won a title this way". I see an anomaly in our title, I see the brute force of athleticism and individual skill getting us to final fours, but I also see the trap of youth and inexperience causing us to wilt under the pressure in final fours. You can disagree, but that is what I see. I no longer believe we will see another title under Cal unless the stars miraculously line up again - I'm not holding my breath.
Personally, I'm growing weary of our sloppy play, our terrible decisions, our inability to play team basketball and our apparent low basketball IQ. These are all issues of youth and inexperience. Most of these guys will blossom into very good NBA players but they will grow into that. For us, we can hope for more final fours and great draft days I guess. I'd rather feel like we have more chances for banners. Don't get me wrong, I love Cal but I don't love his theory on team building.
Your opinion is fine. I just don't know that your answer to your preceived problem would work. Cal is an innovator let him try and figure it out. I know he will win another NC while he is here. Maybe more.
I'm not trying to criticize, but how old are you? This is Cals eighth year, not his third. You have no way to know we will win more titles, you've simply bought into the hype. I hope you're right but I fear you're wrong.
I can imagine the melt down that would occur on this board when a top ten recruit claims they weren't even contacted after the top 2 or 3 slots were filled so Cal could concentrate on less talented opportunities. It would be mayhem.
Dumb idea.
Dumb idea.
I agree. People ***** now even though we have the number 1 or 2 recruiting class every year since Cal's been here. If we slipped to 3rd or 4th, it would be complete chaos. People would be jumping off of buildings. We have the most unrealistic fan base than any other fan base in America. I doubt it's even close.
Are you sure you want me to? They were built the right way, just not quite enough talent, but very close. Camby wasn't a freshman and Memphis was fine in '08. They didn't wilt. What was your point again?
Blend in a few Joey Dorsey Types. Tough guys like at Memphis and U Mass players. Recruit to fit your NC model. Need a couple 6 7 athletes. Not all 5 stars.
I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. You'll think differently after a few more years of this.
I couldn't care less about our recruiting ranking. I care very much about the results at the end of the year. That's all that matters.
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