Franklin “Had to Go…” Here’s Why We Needed Him to Stay

Big_O

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I have my concerns about Campbell but it’s too early to make a final judgment on him given the hand Kraft dealt him. My problem is Kraft set the program back years with his emotional mud-season firing of Franklin. He needed to try to capitalize on the improvements Franklin made to the program rather than set it back.
I thought BGJ was fired during the middle of the season, not during the later, mud season part of the schedule. ;-)
 

razpsu

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Is the Acc any weaker than B1G this year?
I wouldn’t be throwing those stones from my glass balcony.
Acc is way weaker than the big.
is it a fluke now that acc and big twelve is number 1 and 2? They play no one.
Meanwhile sec and big as expected is beating each other up. Still it is October and need to see how it all plays out.
 

Erial_Lion

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They are more satisfied with inaccurate and lame insults of someone who no longer coaches here than address the fact that Krafty The Clown has brought in a replacement that is a massive downgrade and has PSU completely uncompetitive with HIS PLAYERS that PSU is paying big-$$$ for.
3 of our 4 losses were by one score. Words like "disappointing", "underwhelming", "underperforming", etc should apply. But to say we're "completely uncompetitive" isn't the reality.
 

razpsu

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And Campbell won no championships and qualified for zero playoff games coaching a decade in a “step down” conference.
Neither did Franklin. He made zero playoffs with 4 team playoff and one stinking playoff with 12 teams eligible.
 

Marshall2323

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Acc is way weaker than the big.
is it a fluke now that acc and big twelve is number 1 and 2? They play no one.
Meanwhile sec and big as expected is beating each other up. Still it is October and need to see how it all plays out.
The first goal is to win games in the conference in which you are affiliated. Relative strength of conferences is of little reward when you are in last place.
 
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Marshall2323

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3 of our 4 losses were by one score. Words like "disappointing", "underwhelming", "underperforming", etc should apply. But to say we're "completely uncompetitive" isn't the reality.
Did you see the Northwestern Game? Also, PSU has only played the weakest teams in the conference.
I think Ohio State and Indiana would make PSU look pretty uncompetitive.
 

bbrown

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Acc is way weaker than the big.
is it a fluke now that acc and big twelve is number 1 and 2? They play no one.
Meanwhile sec and big as expected is beating each other up. Still it is October and need to see how it all plays out.
Ok, straight up VT plays PSU on Sat. Who wins?
 
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Erial_Lion

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PSU has only played the weakest teams in the conference.
FACT CHECK

We've played 4 Big Ten games so far. Here is where SP+ and Sagarin rate those teams in the conference (probably two of the best publicly available tools for rating team strength)...

USC - 5th in both
Michigan - 8th in both
Northwestern - 9th in Sagarin, 10th in SP+
Wisconsin - 9th in SP+, 10th in Sagarin

So, in a conference with 17 other teams, we've yet to play one of the 7 weakest teams in the conference.

The truth is that we've yet to play one of the weakest teams in the conference...while also being true that we won't play any of the strongest teams in the conference. And note that all 5 of the remaining games are against teams in the bottom 7 (Washington being the strongest of those as they are 11th/12th).
 
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Tell that to all the haters suffering from Franklin Derangement Syndrome who continue to trash him constantly on this site a year after he was fired. Hypocrisy at its finest dude.
You and several other fanboys have ensured that Franklin's tenure will not be forgotten soon. It is fun to watch you chase your tail in defending him. He got what he deserved when the fans turned on him. One thing to lose your job, another to be publicly humiliated and openly hated by thousands. Karma is a *****.
 
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razpsu

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How long was the 12 team playoff in place? Oh that’s right 1 year. He made it to the playoffs the first year it was implemented.
2 years. He didn’t make it 2025. That is with 12.i Like how you avoided the 4 team ZERO playoff part:
 

bbrown

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Two

Let’s get Howard back first let him get going. Then In bowl game we crush them
yea I'd like to have Howard back too but he's not here now and it doesn't look like he'll be ready till Washington.
I could see us winning on a last sec. FG (cause VT sucks at that) but I can also see VT winning by 10. I think they have the better and much faster over all team.
 

ApexLion

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Coach, Smoach, it doesn't matter who it is.

We need money and new fans who are willing to pay $$$ for their 'product'. All in due time or not. Year after year, we look at the PSU roster and we say good, pretty good, a few stars but nothing outstanding. Nor do we ever have any depth. Look at some of these squads -- they have 3 draftable RBs or two big-time wideouts or a legit DE who wrecks havoc. Do we? It's an uphill battle without money.
 

JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws

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Did you see the Northwestern Game? Also, PSU has only played the weakest teams in the conference.
I think Ohio State and Indiana would make PSU look pretty uncompetitive.

Northwestern is the best team we've played in terms of Conference Record and we were beyond uncompetitive. These same excuse-making clowns told us how we were going to beat "a bad USC team".... didn't happen did it? USC badly outplayed us in the 4th QTR and pulled away easy (the game was over after USC's first 2nd Half possession TD to take a 4 point lead as it was clear to anyone that PSU's Offense is so bad in the Red Zone (and not very good overall), that they were not going to win playing from behind..... and they didn't. USC easily pulled away in the 4th QTR. Then the excuse-makers said we would beat a really bad scUM team (who in reality, not the b1g, came into the game with 3 losses already including to a MAC team), but our awful defense and offense (especially in the RZ - only capable of scoring FGs) managed to melt in the 4th QTR again and a really bad scUM team using a backup QB with no experience pulled away from us in the 4th (oh yea, Campbell mismanaged our TOs on late substitutions AGAIN earlier in the half such that we really had no chance late.). Now the excuse-making FDS morons are saying the same- nonsense about Purdue - a very mediocre team, but they have 2 more b1g wins than we do! This notion that any of our remaining games are auto-wins is such laughable nonsense, it's ridiculous. We've yet to play a really good b1g team (have played a several middling b1g teams - including USC - and a really bad team, scum) and we're 0-4 -- Purdue has at least won a couple b1g games (they're 2-2 in b1g) against similarly weak-to-mediocre competition. But again, we're hearing the same bs...... we're going to win our last 5 games.... blah, blah, blah. Just more gobbledygook nonsense from the FDR crowd.
 

JoePaMajorCFBrecord409Ws

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How long was the 12 team playoff in place? Oh that’s right 1 year. He made it to the playoffs the first year it was implemented.

And would have made it in probably 5 or 6 of the prior 10 years he coached had it been a 12-Team Format rather than 4 (he did make the CFP Controlled Bowls those prior years which define the current 12-Team Format). Meanwhile, the Format has been expanded to 24 and Campbell & Co. aren't even sniffing competitiveness for a 24-Team Format with zero visibility as to if we ever will again! That is how far Krafty The Clown has downgraded this franchise - the most laughable part is, is that he is paying Campbell and the Roster MORE $$$ than Franklin and his teams were ever paid! Not just uncompetitive, but Krafty The Clown PAID UP to make us uncompetitive - it's just laughable that anyone would defend this utter $***show and trainwreck.
 

saturdaysarebetter

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You and several other fanboys have ensured that Franklin's tenure will not be forgotten soon. It is fun to watch you chase your tail in defending him. He got what he deserved when the fans turned on him. One thing to lose your job, another to be publicly humiliated and openly hated by thousands. Karma is a *****.
Franklin had Beaver Stadium sold out and setting attendance records. After the few games this season and seeing what a dolt Campbell is, expect to see A LOT of empty seats Barry. Empty seats = less $ to dear old state.
 

Marshall2323

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Coach, Smoach, it doesn't matter who it is.

We need money and new fans who are willing to pay $$$ for their 'product'. All in due time or not. Year after year, we look at the PSU roster and we say good, pretty good, a few stars but nothing outstanding. Nor do we ever have any depth. Look at some of these squads -- they have 3 draftable RBs or two big-time wideouts or a legit DE who wrecks havoc. Do we? It's an uphill battle without money.
With Franklin the problem was Franklin. Now the problem is money
 
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Marshall2323

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You and several other fanboys have ensured that Franklin's tenure will not be forgotten soon. It is fun to watch you chase your tail in defending him. He got what he deserved when the fans turned on him. One thing to lose your job, another to be publicly humiliated and openly hated by thousands. Karma is a *****.
It certainly is. Enjoying excellence at the highest level?.
 

razpsu

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yea I'd like to have Howard back too but he's not here now and it doesn't look like he'll be ready till Washington.
I could see us winning on a last sec. FG (cause VT sucks at that) but I can also see VT winning by 10. I think they have the better and much faster over all team.
Compared to acc they look like that. Have they beaten anyone?
 

KingLando

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Be happy to do so right after the Franklin haters ACTUALLY move on and stop trashing him on a daily basis on this site a year after his firing.
To be clear...you want to be as irrational as they are?
Franklin had to go...if both sides would stop focusing on him we'd all ve happier.
 

Rocco3

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As to number one: so what? Kraft screwed the pooch because this offended him so much. As to your second point, Franklin said after the Northwestern game the losses were on him and he would fix it and that he thought he would be given a little grace (I.e. be given a chance to do just that). The claim that Franklin was begging to get fired is the biggest load of ******** I have ever heard.
He had already been negotiating with VO Tech the only load of crap here is the incessant alibiing for BGJ. Get over it you BGJ fan boys lost your idol so take your worship to him because PS and the PS fan base have moved on.
 
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Erial_Lion

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Northwestern is the best team we've played in terms of Conference Record and we were beyond uncompetitive. These same excuse-making clowns told us how we were going to beat "a bad USC team".... didn't happen did it? USC badly outplayed us in the 4th QTR and pulled away easy (the game was over after USC's first 2nd Half possession TD to take a 4 point lead as it was clear to anyone that PSU's Offense is so bad in the Red Zone (and not very good overall), that they were not going to win playing from behind..... and they didn't. USC easily pulled away in the 4th QTR. Then the excuse-makers said we would beat a really bad scUM team (who in reality, not the b1g, came into the game with 3 losses already including to a MAC team), but our awful defense and offense (especially in the RZ - only capable of scoring FGs) managed to melt in the 4th QTR again and a really bad scUM team using a backup QB with no experience pulled away from us in the 4th (oh yea, Campbell mismanaged our TOs on late substitutions AGAIN earlier in the half such that we really had no chance late.). Now the excuse-making FDS morons are saying the same- nonsense about Purdue - a very mediocre team, but they have 2 more b1g wins than we do! This notion that any of our remaining games are auto-wins is such laughable nonsense, it's ridiculous. We've yet to play a really good b1g team (have played a several middling b1g teams - including USC - and a really bad team, scum) and we're 0-4 -- Purdue has at least won a couple b1g games (they're 2-2 in b1g) against similarly weak-to-mediocre competition. But again, we're hearing the same bs...... we're going to win our last 5 games.... blah, blah, blah. Just more gobbledygook nonsense from the FDR crowd.
Any links to all of the people predicting that we'd beat USC and Michigan that you're referencing, or that we're "going to win our last 5 games"...I must have missed them?

And your thinking that Purdue is better than Michigan because they have a better Big Ten record today (or that Michigan is a really bad team) says a lot.
 
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