The Diehards are Waving the White Flag

[NewHondo77]

I have been a defender of his. He brought us back from the dead not once but twice. I used to wonder how it would’ve been if he had never left for Tampa. Where would we be now. In truth, now I believe that he hit his ceiling in the Big East. If he had stayed we would have been in exactly the same place as now minus the Elmer Flood years. The question is how much of a hit is buying out his contract and who can we get to come here that wants to be here and how much will it cost. I’m not optimistic.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Schiano stinks but our politicians should (for once) focus on things that really matter

athletics can help drive a lot more than you think
research dollars have been directly tied to athletic success and those research dollars generate operation budget, potential jobs for the area and more.

that doesn't even address all the other things a high profile athletics dept from a leading academic state u does. our politicians suck but here they can make a difference vs hit points for the ignorant

 

[Mikemarc]

Bielema and the Kansas coach, the latter of which is who Hobbs really wanted. He would have been light years better than Schiano.

I’ve said this for years and have been mocked on these boards for my opinion.

While I wish I was wrong in my opinion and hoped I was proven otherwise - I guess it’s good our fanbase is finally now seeing it - though years too late

 

[Mikemarc]

I am far from a diehard. But I still strongly support Greg Schiano, kinda sorta. In the sense that I strongly support whoever is walking the sideline wearing the Head Coach ID. On Friday night, that will be Greg. I want and expect him to succeed. If he doesn't, then I will strongly support somebody else, sooner or later.

Wanting and thinking are different.

I’ve always supported Greg - but never thought he was gonna work out for the best.

 

[Knight Shift]

Oh I get that. My point was politicians should focus on making the state bBetter and not Gary's salary.

Politicians are useless. But let's not get political!

 

[Postman_1]

The straw that broke the camel's back.

That's how I feel. Got talked into season tickets once again, but never again. I don't care who the next coach is and it shouldn't be Schiano. We're about to enter the coaching carousel of death. Not enough money or NIL to entice an established coach. Only enough for a broken down retread or up and comer. We basically have to find lightning in a bottle.

Exactly, I heard more Rutgers football talk on WFAN today then I heard in years. They touched on how they are the talk of college football today but it's for all the wrong reasons. They mentioned the poor NIL and no established coach would want this job. Gonna be a loooong season and years to come sadly.

 

[Rutgers Chris]

Round Table has a snitch

 

[yesrutgers01]

This is not meant to be a joke or funny. Are there any fans left that still strongly support Greg?

Covey Leader of Loyal Scarlet Knight Diehards, @MrsScrew , Bori Blanco, Aaron, talk to me. . . . .







They're all gone, sir.

The list includes others like RaRa as well.

 

[Knight Shift]

I have been a defender of his. He brought us back from the dead not once but twice. I used to wonder how it would’ve been if he had never left for Tampa. Where would we be now. In truth, now I believe that he hit his ceiling in the Big East. If he had stayed we would have been in exactly the same place as now minus the Elmer Flood years. The question is how much of a hit is buying out his contract and who can we get to come here that wants to be here and how much will it cost. I’m not optimistic.

Success at one level does not guarantee success at another level.
And other than 2006, 1.0 wasn't really all that impressive. Other than Louisville in 2006, he never really punched above his weight and beat the good teams in the conference. In 2009, he beat a #23 USF, but USF ended the season unranked and 3-4 in conference. 2009 is the last year Rutgers defeated a ranked team. We can give him 2011, the 9-4 season and beating a Cincinnati team ranked 25 at the end of the season, but not ranked when Rutgers played them.

Luke Fickell is another example, but even more perplexing. He killed it at Cincinnati, and he has been horrific at Wisconsin.

Butch Jones is another example. Had 2 great season at Cincinnati, and was fired at Tennessee--even with two 9 win seasons.

Funny thing is Dantonio was mediocre at Cincinnati, and he did great at Michigan State, which is an anomaly.

What's interesting is Hobbs did not want Schiano, and he was forced to hire him, and then, well Hobbs was busy with other things and was not going to swim against the Greg fan club at the BOG and big donors, and he gave him the extension.

But back to the Big East- that ceiling was never really that high. It was like a 6 foot ceiling at best.

People mock Flood, but he was given negative resources, and he had an AD working against him from day one, and an athletics department creating a circus sideshow. Not the way others would have handled it, but can't blame him for mailing it in and cutting corners. He still has had the best season as a Rutgers B1G head coach, and nobody cares that they were Greg's recruits.

Greg has had a bad habit of laying eggs against much lesser opponents and doing dumb things to basically lose games over his entire history. Greg is a wonderful man and leader of men. He runs a clean program. But that's the most that can be said for him.

 

[RUDiddy777]

Success at one level does not guarantee success at another level.
And other than 2006, 1.0 wasn't really all that impressive. Other than Louisville in 2006, he never really punched above his weight and beat the good teams in the conference. In 2009, he beat a #23 USF, but USF ended the season unranked and 3-4 in conference. 2009 is the last year Rutgers defeated a ranked team. We can give him 2011, the 9-4 season and beating a Cincinnati team ranked 25 at the end of the season, but not ranked when Rutgers played them.

Luke Fickell is another example, but even more perplexing. He killed it at Cincinnati, and he has been horrific at Wisconsin.

Butch Jones is another example. Had 2 great season at Cincinnati, and was fired at Tennessee--even with two 9 win seasons.

Funny thing is Dantonio was mediocre at Cincinnati, and he did great at Michigan State, which is an anomaly.

What's interesting is Hobbs did not want Schiano, and he was forced to hire him, and then, well Hobbs was busy with other things and was not going to swim against the Greg fan club at the BOG and big donors, and he gave him the extension.

But back to the Big East- that ceiling was never really that high. It was like a 6 foot ceiling at best.

People mock Flood, but he was given negative resources, and he had an AD working against him from day one, and an athletics department creating a circus sideshow. Not the way others would have handled it, but can't blame him for mailing it in and cutting corners. He still has had the best season as a Rutgers B1G head coach, and nobody cares that they were Greg's recruits.

Greg has had a bad habit of laying eggs against much lesser opponents and doing dumb things to basically lose games over his entire history. Greg is a wonderful man and leader of men. He runs a clean program. But that's the most that can be said for him.

Who would have thought Flood would have a better coaching career than Greg?

 

[RU0917]

Success at one level does not guarantee success at another level.

Says it all - pretty much every coaching hire is a crapshoot. But if a program gets to the point where they can't afford not to take the risk, then the crapshoot is worth it. After last night...yeah, we're there.

 

[koleszar]

Round Table has a snitch

OK I did not see @DHajekRC1984 post when it happened. But there had to be some gut busting laughter on that one. Well done.

 

[tomatocan]

People were so enchanted from one night long ago that they couldn't assess the real situation. You saw it on this board. It was cult like. To go to the mat for a guy with a losing record who never won anything was was an exercise in some psychiatric condition.

Those people should sit in the corner and be quiet next hire. They aren't capable of offering reasonable options for a role like this. Let the professionals do their work and just be fans.

I'd be very very embarrassed if I was one of them.

So who would the professionals be?

 

[Anon503350]

What is most surprising to me is the lack of fire in GS. I agree that keeping calm in the first half was needed to keep focus, but at some point in fball there needs to be fire for it to rub off on the team, ESPECIALLY when it's not a team of senior leaders but many new faces.

I think he was calm because he knew his team would struggle, particularly the defense.

 

[Anon503350]

I don't think it's any mystery here. Schiano has not recruited well since.... NIL came about. Rutgers can not compete in this landscape. The recruits that Schiano used to convince to stay home are now getting paid to go elsewhere. NIL is a disaster for Rutgers, and of course Schiano.

 

[Jtung230]

The only positive is that it was game 1. He can earn his job back.

 

[Jersey Al 64]

Success at one level does not guarantee success at another level.
And other than 2006, 1.0 wasn't really all that impressive. Other than Louisville in 2006, he never really punched above his weight and beat the good teams in the conference. In 2009, he beat a #23 USF, but USF ended the season unranked and 3-4 in conference. 2009 is the last year Rutgers defeated a ranked team. We can give him 2011, the 9-4 season and beating a Cincinnati team ranked 25 at the end of the season, but not ranked when Rutgers played them.

Luke Fickell is another example, but even more perplexing. He killed it at Cincinnati, and he has been horrific at Wisconsin.

Butch Jones is another example. Had 2 great season at Cincinnati, and was fired at Tennessee--even with two 9 win seasons.

Funny thing is Dantonio was mediocre at Cincinnati, and he did great at Michigan State, which is an anomaly.

What's interesting is Hobbs did not want Schiano, and he was forced to hire him, and then, well Hobbs was busy with other things and was not going to swim against the Greg fan club at the BOG and big donors, and he gave him the extension.

But back to the Big East- that ceiling was never really that high. It was like a 6 foot ceiling at best.

People mock Flood, but he was given negative resources, and he had an AD working against him from day one, and an athletics department creating a circus sideshow. Not the way others would have handled it, but can't blame him for mailing it in and cutting corners. He still has had the best season as a Rutgers B1G head coach, and nobody cares that they were Greg's recruits.

Greg has had a bad habit of laying eggs against much lesser opponents and doing dumb things to basically lose games over his entire history. Greg is a wonderful man and leader of men. He runs a clean program. But that's the most that can be said for him.

In 2006 I believe the team came in third place.

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

I’ve always given Schiano his just due. He has been a big part of putting RU football on the map, got the program competitive from the bottom and helped get RU into the B1G. He is a bright, articulate guy with solid leadership skills. However, a close analysis of his record shows very mediocre results over time. This is his 18th season as HC at RU. His teams had winning conference records only 4 of those years. That was during his first stint when BE teams played only 7 conference games. He built winning records through favorable scheduling of the 5 OOC games each year. Very often, they would play only 1 OOC game against a major conf program. Now in year 7 of his second stint, he has yet to have a winning conf record in the tough B1G. If RU loses at BC next week, I think that will be the deciding game that leads to his eventual termination as HC.

 

[Shelby65]

Winning records LOL. What were his records while BC, Virginia Tech and Miami were in the conference? And did he ever beat WVU ?

He’s been a fraud ever since he was the DC at Miami because Helen Keller could have coached that defense just the same.

He’s been stealing salary for more than 20 years.

 

[Knight Shift]

The only positive is that it was game 1. He can earn his job back.

In your view, what will it take to earn it back?
IMO, a loss to BC, and nothing can save his job. He may be gone the following Monday.
Let's assume a win against BC. He needs to beat a USC, Michigan, or Indiana, and as improbable as any of those are, that may not be enough.

 

[NewHondo77]

I don't think it's any mystery here. Schiano has not recruited well since.... NIL came about. Rutgers can not compete in this landscape. The recruits that Schiano used to convince to stay home are now getting paid to go elsewhere. NIL is a disaster for Rutgers, and of course Schiano.

NIL didn’t cost us the UMass game.

 

[matei]

ChatGPT would cost a lot less to coach this team. The university likely already has access/license to its most recent version.

rolling out a monitor out there to do the coaching would be an immediate upgrade. Just need rapid quick fire prompts.

 

[Bueller]

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[Knight Shift]

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Never heard of Moron. Unlistenable

 

[Section124]

Who would have thought Flood would have a better coaching career than Greg?

Hell, Joe Rossi was getting shout outs on the broadcast last night. Everyone that leaves Greg seems to thrive.

 

[Postman_1]

Never heard of Moron. Unlistenable

What not true about what he said? He is on WFAN every day, you must not listen. Will they eventually recover, yes but it won't be easy.

 

[rob kight]

What is most surprising to me is the lack of fire in GS. I agree that keeping calm in the first half was needed to keep focus, but at some point in fball there needs to be fire for it to rub off on the team, ESPECIALLY when it's not a team of senior leaders but many new faces.

He was too busy writing his notes. And his comments to the sidelines reporter. We’ll be fine, we just need to calm down!

 

[Anon1764435409]

Who would have thought Flood would have a better coaching career than Greg?

Looking at the numbers is deceptive. Greg 1.0 and 2.0 revived teams that were in the bowels of two different cesspools. One of which Flood helped put us into.

 

[Knight Shift]

What not true about what he said? He is on WFAN every day, you must not listen. Will they eventually recover, yes but it won't be easy.

I did not listen. I can't listen to blowhards. Who is he? Why should anyone care what he says? What did he know about Rutgers before Thursday night-guessing not much. Click bait nonsense, but apparently people eat it up.

 

[Postman_1]

I did not listen. I can't listen to blowhards. Who is he? Why should anyone care what he says? What did he know about Rutgers before Thursday night-guessing not much. Click bait nonsense, but apparently people eat it up.

Him and Tiki have a sports talk show on WFAN. Some people like reading and listening to stuff about sports. I see that you don't. Not sure how much he knows about Rutgers beforehand but just about everything he said is true regarding the game the other night.

 

[Knight Shift]

Him and Tiki have a sports talk show on WFAN. Some people like reading and listening to stuff about sports. I see that you don't. Not sure how much he knows about Rutgers beforehand but just about everything he said is true regarding the game the other night.

I'm fine with reading and forming my own opinions based on what I read. But you are right about listening. Everyone on the FAN is unlistenable with the ice cold takes. Beningo or whoever he is/was, Morash, and every single one of them. The one who really takes the cake on ESPN is McAfee. Morash went to SUNY Westbury-- where the heck is that, and what division do they compete in?

 

[iReC89]

I’m with the guy who said this is a program defining loss. I have better things to do then worry if RU, Greg and a $21M player payout/NIL can avoid getting a beat down by Delaware in 2032.

 

[RUDivision]

I'm fine with reading and forming my own opinions based on what I read. But you are right about listening. Everyone on the FAN is unlistenable with the ice cold takes. Beningo or whoever he is/was, Morash, and every single one of them. The one who really takes the cake on ESPN is McAfee. Morash went to SUNY Westbury-- where the heck is that, and what division do they compete in?

Agree w you unfortunately though it’s perception. It’s a show that millions listen too. All media outlets are destroying us and it’s the negative perception we DO NOT NEED!

Kills donor support and incoming recruits. Unfortunately for us perception matters.

 

[Bueller]

Agree w you unfortunately though it’s perception. It’s a show that millions listen too. All media outlets are destroying us and it’s the negative perception we DO NOT NEED!

Kills donor support and incoming recruits. Unfortunately for us perception matters.

The problem is that the issues aren't just perceptions anymore. Rutgers is back to being recognized as a pre-Louisville sad sack. Remember all the 2006 "We aren't the same ole Rutgers anymore!" Well guess what - I haven't seen a GS team near as good as his 2006 team from 20 years ago - 20 years of "keep chopping" nonsense. Now I just saw one of the worst RU teams I ever saw. I've seen good teams have bad days but the RU that played UMass was a bad team with a lot of bad players with bad coaching. The OL is awful and the defense is awful - all of it

Duff having 3 TDs and 198 yds shows that UMass wasn't some new powerhouse. In his post game Greg described UMass QB as being great at VaTech - like he was Teddy Bridgewater 2.0. In three years at VaTech the guy had 36 completions for 558 yards and 1 TD with 2 INTs. Come on Greg!

I've heard married guys say that its not so bad if their wives are made at them - its when they stop caring that you have trouble. A lot of people have stopped caring about RU football. Even if RU wins people know not to take it too seriously in the B1G. The WFAN guys ran through a list of Rutgers humiliations and it was long and ugly. I don't listen to WFAN outside the car and I don't like a lot of sports fans but RU isn't giving MENSA tests with tickets sold. A lot of economic observers are calling for some bad days and football tickets are easy to give-up so cant be dismissing fans

 

[CranfordKnight]

Looking at the numbers is deceptive. Greg 1.0 and 2.0 revived teams that were in the bowels of two different cesspools. One of which Flood helped put us into.

I'll give you 1.0, but the argument around here is that no one could have done what Greg has done here this time around. No amount of whining about NIL or institutional support can convince me that if we had hired someone like Hafley, Campanile, Golden, Leipold, etc. who were all discussed at the time, we would be worse off than where we are today.

 

[Anon1754923206]

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First off on wastebook…second who is that nobody?

 

[Knight Shift]

First off on wastebook…second who is that nobody?

I've cracked the code- He's Chris Ash's agent--Mor Ash. Chris Ash wants back in.

 

[Knight Shift]

 

[RU05]

I did not listen. I can't listen to blowhards. Who is he? Why should anyone care what he says? What did he know about Rutgers before Thursday night-guessing not much. Click bait nonsense, but apparently people eat it up.

I'm not a Morash fan(though his Talkin Giants podcast is all right), but he is definitely an all in sports guy who sat down and watched all of that pathetic game (including the fireworks, at which point I was out) and if nothing else is symbolic of what that game meant. Even non Rutgers fans thought that loss was a big story, and reason enough for Schiano to be gone.

 

[RU05]

In your view, what will it take to earn it back?
IMO, a loss to BC, and nothing can save his job. He may be gone the following Monday.
Let's assume a win against BC. He needs to beat a USC, Michigan, or Indiana, and as improbable as any of those are, that may not be enough.

I'd say somehow getting this team to a bowl game.

Not that I expect that to happen.