Activists, politicians, and the media are the main drivers of division. This is where you and I really have a disagreement.
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They highlight issues that need address. Division exists because people stop accepting things that are unjust.
We are just not going to see eye to eye. The media, activists, and politicians all have one thing they're after. Power, which you get it through money. Sounds like you're defending them. I say they are the MAIN contributors to division.
I'm defending them against the claim that they're the main contributors to division. It strikes me as blaming the messenger when the focus should be on the issue. I care much more about justice than unity. If someone is on the wrong side of justice, we should be divided from them.
The media, activists, and politicians aren’t after justice. Division helps their wallet, and boy does it help them well. All they’re after is 1, seeing what the issue is, and 2, finding those to blame.
No solutions. The activists thrive on division. Without it, they have no job. The media needs division for ratings, and the politicians, well they gotta get elected, and by whatever means necessary.
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That strikes me as very cynical and somewhat nihilistic. I humbly consider myself an activist, and I definitely seek justice. I don't make any money off of division. And I am on guard against being manipulated, naive, or gullible without being jaded.
This tracks with the penchant for declaring people "evil to the bone," throwing around accusations of mental illness, and extremist hyperbole about being just as bad as pedophiles.
Ironically, that approach is the one offering no solutions, no hope, no way forward, no healing of division. It's further ironic that it's a mindset which settles quickly and definitively on whom to blame.
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You're right about the activist part. I was more referring to the pot stirrers, like Al or Jesse. There's a few politicians that are excellent at stirring the pot. All for keeping their base fired up. I notice you didn't make any reference to the media and politicians though. I get it, it's impossible to defend them.
Nor did you address the irony and contradiction I pointed out. I don't care to read anything into that.
Jesse Jackson was rarely wrong. Al Sharpton is rarely right. I've stated this previously.
I stand by my previous statement defending them against the claim that they're the main contributors to division. Our President has sown distrust in the media with criticism I find spurious. It is undeniable that money has compromised the media to some degree. To what degree is open to debate.
Same with politicians. I don't expect the same level I expect from my pastors, though. Politics is a dirty business even when done well.
No worries. I wouldn't expect any conservative to appreciate him as much as I do.
Would you not distinguish between him and Sharpton?
I thought that was a classic moment Jesse had about Obama in 08. Poor Reverend forgot his mic was still live. Said something like "I want to cut his nuts off."
He did in July 2008....and then after apologized...and then was seen sobbing in November 2008 after victory...he owned it
Nice spin job there boogie. You could say he owned it, or was it he had no choice? Ironic too that it was a black ‘Reverend’ that said it.
Aren't we all happy it wasn't one of those mean, racists, white men?
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What spin? There was a context around the comment. He apologized. He demonstrated tremendous support for Senator-then-President Obama every other observable moment. You mentioned a single incident. Are you seriously opining that that single incident, that single comment, represents the entirety of Rev Jackson's feelings toward Obama? And that adding facts is spin?
The real irony is that leaving out details is much more manipulative than alleged spin.
What you two are denying is that a man who carries the title as a Reverend, and a black one at that, shows off air feelings while not realizing he was still live.
He had no choice but to ‘walk the line’ after he got busted. I found it funny. It only confirmed to me how I felt The good Rev really is when the camera isn’t on.
What spin, he did it, he said it...the owned or no choice can def be debated...we'd never know the 100% truth, but we know what actions transpired afterwards (he apologized and supported and then embraced the moment ipon him winning)...probably the whole comment spawned by jealousy of Obamas rise maybe,... who knows
A whole lot of republicans have said many factual things about the president in public and on purpose and now look at them cowering and being subservient (have they been forced to not speak of such things anymore) and Church folks are not immune to being human and falling short from time to time
How have we denied anything? Isn't mentioning his apology and consistent support of Obama a sign that we've accepted the truth in what you said, then provided broader truth?
I understand you think it's funny. Using a single example to confirm what you already believed is not a sound, logical process.
Have you ever been sincere in apologizing for something? Or is it only because you got caught?
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That's why questioning motives is popular: they can't be proven, so it's a tie, which is better than losing when it comes to facts.
It’s kind of hard to claim that almost two whole minutes of straight Nazi propaganda could be taken out of context, but I would love to see that argument. This type of speech and belief is the logical endpoint of the Christian nationalist movement that has taken over right wing politics in the U.S.Lemme guess... he was taken out of context
With this kind of rhetoric commonplace on the right, I find it really rich for someone to complain about an obvious tongue in cheek moment caught on a hot mic almost 20 years ago.
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I believe that’s what Jesse did. He, like most people got caught and had no choice but to apologize. The truth usually precedes the apology.
Well, getting caught is often the catalyst for feeling bad about it. I'd say the great majority of apologies follow getting caught. That in and of itself doesn't mean the apology is insincere.
Also, as I said:
Further, Rev Jackson demonstrated support for Obama for the rest of his life. Would you suggest that that was all an act covering up that one time he got caught on a hot mic?
Probably so. You never really know someone’s true feelings in the public eye. They’re all political, so they’re going to do what’s necessary to cover their ***. Both sides!
Just so I'm clear... you think it's plausible and probable that Rev Jackson faked support of President Obama for the remaining eighteen years of his life?
True. I'm not ridiculing Rev Jesse. I just don't think he's this all righteous man that Datt and Boogie are trying to make him out to be. His priority is his wallet.
I also know how it would have played out had a white guy said something like that. We all do. Well, a white guy that leans right of center.
When did I say Jesse Jackson was righteous....i clearly said even church folks fall short....and I alluded to he was probably jealous of Obama's rise....but as a whole Jesse Jackson did ALOT of good things for people and dedicated his life to it
And actions and words by many showed how a lot of them right of center guys/gals felt
And how do YOU know HIS priority is his wallet, as his work could've had him gone from here a long time ago
I don't think he's that good of a guy. Period. Yeah, we all make mistakes, but he's of the profession where he makes his $$ by calling out others. That's the irony.
Of course. But I don't make my living by making stuff up on vehicles to up the sale, or talking down my competition just to earn their business. I tell people what their car needs. They decide whether to have me fix their car, change their oil, replace their tires... Whether you believe it or not, it's true. Come to my shop sometime and you'll find out.
Reverend Jesse is a political Reverend. The street name is Con Man.
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I never said either one. All I said was that you never know someone’s true feelings. Most of the time it comes down to what’s in it for me. I’m not as gullible as some people.
Jesse Jackson spent his entire life working for others.
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