OT: How many of you saw the Odyssey? Please give us a review! ****
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Heard Elon Musk will have Grok do a "historically accurate" version of it in the fall, if I`m not mistaken. I think I would rather see that if it`s really a thing. I won`t see the current one - no Greek people in the movie? Some wokeness apparently too. That`s enough to keep me from going, although I guess a lot of people like it.
The argument over the movie Odyssey, that it is not historically accurate is truly amusing.
Let us start with one immutable fact. The Odyssey is a work of FICTION.
The feigned outrage for the casting of the Helen of Troy character is also amusing.
Helen of Troy per Greek mythology is the daughter of Zeus. Obviously no such person ever existed.
With all the challenges and tribulations life has to offer, becoming upset over the casting of a fictional story should not be worth any consideration.
Let us start with one immutable fact. The Odyssey is a work of FICTION.
The feigned outrage for the casting of the Helen of Troy character is also amusing.
Helen of Troy per Greek mythology is the daughter of Zeus. Obviously no such person ever existed.
With all the challenges and tribulations life has to offer, becoming upset over the casting of a fictional story should not be worth any consideration.
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I saw it. It was o'k. It was probably a 6 out of 10 (based upon current movies available). Probably a 2 out of 10 if you put it against the best movies of all time. It will win awards just because of the scope of the movie. There wasn't much "woke" at least as to the dialogue/themes. Helen of Troy would be the only one that jumps out as being an unusual pick. I think she made it more woke by her off screen comments. Her role in the movie was extremely minor. Maybe 3-4 scenes and very few lines. But, you'd have thought she was one of the main characters as she was portrayed in the media. I wouldn't pay to see it again. I probably wouldn't have gone to see it but for the in-laws wanted to go. If it was on tv in a few years I might watch pieces/parts if there wasn't anything better on.
Nolan said he had to change the ending of Homer's Odyssey b/c it was so misogynistic. That's all I need to know.
Helen of Troy is described by Homer in The Odyssey as being "white armed" and having "fair cheeks". Fictional, yes, but a basic physical description of the character is provided.
I saw The Odyssey in IMAX and I enjoyed it. The only thing I didn’t like was how loud it was, almost unbearable. I didn't know the story very well and I try to go into movies with an open mind and not let the so-called critics ruin it for me. Unfortunately in our time, most movies have their woke moments so I just brush it off. I wish I would’ve seen in it in the 70mm format.
Not yet but looking forward to. I watch any movie or documentary that I can about our founding fathers.
If he's not riding a velociraptor into battle I'll pass.
Does it matter if the raptor is trans?If he's not riding a velociraptor into battle I'll pass.
I hear a historically accurate version of Superman is being considered. Snowflakes will be happy.
I think this standard would be a difficult one given all the actors that have looked nothing like the characters as portrayed in a book- even actors that haven't been the same gender as a character in quite a few books. Too many examples to list but the one I always think about is my grandfather's favorite movie, King of Kings, where Jeffrey Hunter portrayed Jesus. A blind man would realize Jeffrey Hunter (Scottish ancestry) didn't remotely resemble a first century Jew.
I've never cared about such things. I try to appreciate the movie as it stands on its own.
I am much more interested when a movie takes an actual event and turns it totally on its head. Even then, if it is done well, that's all I care about. It doesn't bother me at all. So many famous films, even based on real events, have changed the events, omitted events, combined characters, etc.
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Well geldings are sort of trans, or horse eunuchs.
The historical accuracy argument being offered up by the lefties is a limp-wristed red herring.
By Nolan's own public admission, he made a woke movie that is intentionally unfaithful to the original work.
That's why folks are criticizing it. Not over any qualms about historical inaccuracy.
By Nolan's own public admission, he made a woke movie that is intentionally unfaithful to the original work.
That's why folks are criticizing it. Not over any qualms about historical inaccuracy.
Historical accuracy often interferes with their narrative.
Musk specifically said he was going to make an historically accurate version via AI. That was his term.
The "limp wristed" ones are the ones whining and crying about a damn movie.
Actually, this is what he said
Nolan emphasized that "adaptation is about honoring the original text in the strongest personal interpretation possible, not chasing every historical detail."
Nolan’s added that historical accuracy is not the film’s primary goal — the focus is on making a fresh, plausible, and emotionally engaging version of the myth while allowing creative freedom.
He also noted that Homer’s own depictions of Homeric characters often reflected how audiences in his time imagined them, not necessarily strict archaeological reconstruction
"The oldest depictions of Homeric characters tend to be depicted in the manner of people living in Homer's time. So there's a pretty strong case there for portraying things that way because that's the way the first audience received the story."
The Odyssey” has netted $639 million worldwide so far
He did say, "historically accurate," but he probably meant "period accurate."
This. And they wouldnt be lefties if they didn't double down in the face being called out on it.
Maybe so.
When my dad (who served in the Army) and I use to watch war movies, he would always point out the movie was taking liberty with reality- even some of our very favorite movies like John Wayne in The Green Berets- which was filmed mostly at Fort Benning (My dad calls it Fort Benning Moore in honor of both men- not the Confederate War General that it was initially named after but the WW 1 hero- and Hal Moore was one of my dad's favorites), where my dad had spent a good it of time and would point out places in the movie- of course in the movie it was supposed to be in Vietnam.
Ironically, was just sent a meme that reminded me of this.
"You can't use facts and logic to debate someone who doesn't know the difference between a boy and a girl".
Actually his full quote was "historically accurate and true to the art of Homer". Context is important.
This old argument again? The left does something stupid woke. When called out for it by the right (and the right) they respond with "Why do you even care? Why are you whining about this??" Y'all do this with every cultural/social issue. It just doesn't carry anymore.
This isnt even the only current thread that this one is doing it on.
I think he's new to this sort of thing and thinks the tired old lame arguments are actually new and impactful.
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If it is them, they have done New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles. The primary events are accurate, however the criticism has been that they added traits to some (not all) characters. No theology was modified. So I like them
I think Angel studios.
If it is them, they have done New Testament, Jesus and the Apostles. The primary events are accurate, however the criticism has been that they added traits to some (not all) characters. No theology was modified. So I like them
historically accurate for a work of fiction is noteworthy. LOL. Plus, "true to the art of Homer" is laughable given how his poems were interpreted differently from the beginning.
The right continuing to whine like damn 2 year olds about "woke" things that upset their sensitive snowflake souls is the gift that keeps on giving.
The Odyssey is closing in on $700 million. Let's see how Elon's AI version does. LOL
Its never a good look to whine and cry so much while accusing others of supposedly whining and crying.
It is them. I had no interest in seeing the movie in a theater, but would very much like to see it when its streaming.
Heck, it might be already.
Edit: Looked it up. It is expected to be streaming late August or mid September.
It's quite literally their only weapon. Standard sequence of events:
-Do something stupid woke.
-The right merely points out the stupid wokeness.
-They accuse us of whining and crying.
Liberals have a single playbook and are unable to deviate from it under any circumstances. As you can see, he's called the same play from that playbook 2x in this thread alone.
It somewhat reminds me of when I saw Matt Walsh on Dr. Phil with 2 transgenders. At one point, after Matt had made a string of damning and irrefutable arguments with questions they were unable to answer, one of the transgenders finally blurted out "Why do you even care?"
you are whining and crying. LOL
and no one needs a "weapon" of any kind to disagree with you.
A filmmaker making a movie that has some artistic license is not "woke." It's called filmmaking. It's as old as film itself. Casting the Duck Dynasty crew in the film probably wouldn't have worked. But if that happened, I sure wouldn't whine and cry about it as much as you.
If you'd do a better job of adding context as if Nolan making a film and putting his spin on it was breaking some unwritten rule other than violating your sensitive sensibilities, it would help.
The best part is Nolan's film is a huge success and might end up crossing $1 billion dollars. The whiners and those crying will always be whining.
This one follows the playbook to a T.
I think someone is playing a joke, and created the most cliche persona to have some fun on the board.
But to your point, there are extra steps in that playbook we haven't gottwn to yet.
-do something woke and stupid
-you're crying
- why do you even care, its no big deal
(We are here)
-the name calling. You're a bigot/hateful etc because you dont agree with me.
I'd propose a wager on when he/she/it takes that next step, but by merely calling it out I've thrown off the timing.
I have merely pointed out the inconsistencies with Homer's original work and Nolan's own public statements of intentionally injecting wokeness into the story.
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