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Idiots that continually bring up the Epstein files need to move on and get a life.
That is all they have....... Cant complain about Border, Cant complain about economy (my 401K is BOOMING) cant complain about Gas (was around $3, will be after IRAN) cant complain about Jobs. but they can complain about an Illegal getting hit by a truck!!
 
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Not a theory. It’s fact. Got blood clots in lungs 90 days after covid shot. Know 3 others that did also. Coincidence….I think not. I didn’t know even 2 people with blood clots personally before then in my whole life.

Disclaimer: I don’t care about what everyone else thinks so no need to start the BS Fauci support to those wanting to debate what I am saying. I don’t care what your local doctor said. None of them looked at one blood cell under a microscope. They knew what they were told they should know.

There was a small risk of increased chances of blood clots in some patients with the COVID vaccine. That's not worth a debate as it's listed in the data and is well documented by everyone.

However, this risk is seen with all kinds of medications so not really anything unusual and has to be seen in context.

Women that use birth control face an increased risk of blood clots, especially DVT. Happened to two women at our church. Both were hospitalized- same reason- same medication. Thankfully both are fine. I only know because both women are friends of my wife and they told her about it. (They didn't go around announcing it at church).

Hormone replacement therapy can also increase blook clot risk. This is well known but tens of millions continue on with it as part of a treatment plan for menopause.

Testosterone therapy (which is very popular right now even with men who don't have documented medical need) can increase blood clot risk. A large JAMA study shows it increases the risk 2.3 times compared to the placebo control group. For men who take t-therapy but aren't really considered to be "low t- the blood clot risk increases to 3 times the risk.

Almost every chemo drug increases risk of blood clots. Even using a common medication like prednisone can increase one's risk of a blood clot.

Even Ibuprofen has shown an increased risk of blood clots in some people.

Rare overall but a risk in some people. Yes, COVID vaccines do increase the risk of a blood clot in some people- a small percentage- but so do many other things- many other medications that people don't blink an eye over.
 
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This thread is not about our president but it’s clear to see where some try to steer it, as usual. When our president first announced he was running he was looked at as a novelty. Then when it became clear he was serious and had support, politicians across the board, led by MSM, immediately began rigorously attacking for in essence invisible reasons. I still don’t know or understand those reasons but I’ve seen enough from the get go to know that there ARE definitely reasons. This is manifest now in the ‘Epstein files’ retort at every turn, when there is clearly nothing there but it is another lifeline for the simple minded to hang onto. All of this is powered and perpetuated by MSM; it’s amazing how such a significant percentage of our country allows themselves to be so easily persuaded and influenced.

This is not unusual. I don't know why you think it is.

When someone starts to run for high office, people and organizations start to look under the hood, look more deeply, examine everything they've ever done.

This is done to almost everyone.

People treat people differently when they have no real control over their lives. Be it Donald Trump or anyone else. When they are only a business person or a sports figure, etc- they have no real control over anyone so people largely ignore their oddities, their opinions on many things- and just don't care.

But when they realize they might have control over their lives, those oddities become important.

No one really gave a damn about Bill Clinton's girlfriends when he was a nobody governor from Arkansas. His women weren't a secret. But when he ran for president, suddenly, they were the biggest issue in history as if he was going to break into people's homes at night and steal their wives. It's not an unfair thing- as that's the way it works. No one is exempt from that.
 

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Maybe you can explain why S.C. voters kept re-electing him & would have done so again this fall?
Donald Trump told them too- he kept endorsing him.

Hard to win in a South Carolina senate race when you might only have 1 real opponent if you don't have Donald Trump carrying your jock- while you carry his
 

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Lindsey was instrumental with the Port of Charleston and making it the deepest on the east coast, a $580 million initiative.
to be fair, the entire congressional delegation played a role there. But yes, Lindsey did play an important role, but even state level officials did.
 

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2. Trying to pin a covid disaster on him (despite the dem leaders <ahem Pelosi et al> downplaying at the start)


Sheep.
"I wanted to always play it down," the president said in a March 2020 interview, the audio recording of which was made public in September. "I still like playing it down"


Jan. 22, 2020​

The day that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed what it then thought was the first case of the coronavirus in the United States, Trump told a CNBC reporter that the country had it "completely under control" and suggested that he was not concerned about a pandemic.

"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China

Feb. 27, 2020​

During a February meeting with Black leaders, held as U.S. health officials warned that the coronavirus pandemic might stay with the country for some time, Trump said a "miracle" might make the coronavirus pandemic "disappear."

"It's going to disappear."

March 11, 2020​

During an Oval Office address, Trump said that for "the vast majority of Americans, the risk is very low and it's well under control." That same day, Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House's coronavirus task force, told members of Congress at a House hearing that "bottom line, it's going to get worse, a lot worse before it gets better."

March 20, 2020​

Trump told reporters that China has COVID under control and is "doing a great job controlling it." Trump explained that China was being "honest and President XI was terrific."

May 19, 2020​

Trump told reporters that he viewed the high number of U.S. cases of the coronavirus as a "badge of honor" and a reflection of the country's testing capacity.

"When we have a lot of cases, I don't look at that as a bad thing," the president said. "I look at that in a certain respect as being a good thing, because it means our testing is much better."
 

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This is not unusual. I don't know why you think it is.

When someone starts to run for high office, people and organizations start to look under the hood, look more deeply, examine everything they've ever done.

This is done to almost everyone.

People treat people differently when they have no real control over their lives. Be it Donald Trump or anyone else. When they are only a business person or a sports figure, etc- they have no real control over anyone so people largely ignore their oddities, their opinions on many things- and just don't care.

But when they realize they might have control over their lives, those oddities become important.

No one really gave a damn about Bill Clinton's girlfriends when he was a nobody governor from Arkansas. His women weren't a secret. But when he ran for president, suddenly, they were the biggest issue in history as if he was going to break into people's homes at night and steal their wives. It's not an unfair thing- as that's the way it works. No one is exempt from that.

I dont think you really addressed his post.

You mention that people "look under the hood" of every candidate, and that is true.

I dont think the knowingly false Russiagate, fake impeachment, laughably dubious criminal investigations and now the Epstein situation really count as "checking under the hood".
 

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"I wanted to always play it down," the president said in a March 2020 interview, the audio recording of which was made public in September. "I still like playing it down"


Jan. 22, 2020​

The day that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed what it then thought was the first case of the coronavirus in the United States, Trump told a CNBC reporter that the country had it "completely under control" and suggested that he was not concerned about a pandemic.

"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China

Feb. 27, 2020​

During a February meeting with Black leaders, held as U.S. health officials warned that the coronavirus pandemic might stay with the country for some time, Trump said a "miracle" might make the coronavirus pandemic "disappear."

"It's going to disappear."

March 11, 2020​

During an Oval Office address, Trump said that for "the vast majority of Americans, the risk is very low and it's well under control." That same day, Dr. Anthony Fauci, a member of the White House's coronavirus task force, told members of Congress at a House hearing that "bottom line, it's going to get worse, a lot worse before it gets better."

March 20, 2020​

Trump told reporters that China has COVID under control and is "doing a great job controlling it." Trump explained that China was being "honest and President XI was terrific."

May 19, 2020​

Trump told reporters that he viewed the high number of U.S. cases of the coronavirus as a "badge of honor" and a reflection of the country's testing capacity.

"When we have a lot of cases, I don't look at that as a bad thing," the president said. "I look at that in a certain respect as being a good thing, because it means our testing is much better."

And? Im looking for what that has to do with his post? His comment was that after downplaying it, they then tried to blame it on Trump. Your quotes dont really add to or address that.
 

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This is not unusual. I don't know why you think it is.

When someone starts to run for high office, people and organizations start to look under the hood, look more deeply, examine everything they've ever done.

This is done to almost everyone.

People treat people differently when they have no real control over their lives. Be it Donald Trump or anyone else. When they are only a business person or a sports figure, etc- they have no real control over anyone so people largely ignore their oddities, their opinions on many things- and just don't care.

But when they realize they might have control over their lives, those oddities become important.

No one really gave a damn about Bill Clinton's girlfriends when he was a nobody governor from Arkansas. His women weren't a secret. But when he ran for president, suddenly, they were the biggest issue in history as if he was going to break into people's homes at night and steal their wives. It's not an unfair thing- as that's the way it works. No one is exempt from that.
Um, no.

First presidential race I experienced was Nixon-Kennedy, and I’ve experienced every one since. The uprising against Trump, seemingly out of the blue for those not behind the uprising, is unprecedented, and by a long shot. No spinning that.

As for your other epistle, I saw with my own eyes Trump taking the action of putting the quietus on China right from the jump while Pelosi and Sanders told every microphone in sight that the president was overreacting and there was nothing to worry about, no more than the common cold. I was on a cruise; the big news that week was Kobe Bryant’s death, but what I’m describing was occurring concurrently. Yessir.

You left out the part where Trump told everyone to drink bleach. That’s fundamental to your narrative.
 
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This thread is not about our president but it’s clear to see where some try to steer it, as usual. When our president first announced he was running he was looked at as a novelty. Then when it became clear he was serious and had support, politicians across the board, led by MSM, immediately began rigorously attacking for in essence invisible reasons. I still don’t know or understand those reasons but I’ve seen enough from the get go to know that there ARE definitely reasons. This is manifest now in the ‘Epstein files’ retort at every turn, when there is clearly nothing there but it is another lifeline for the simple minded to hang onto. All of this is powered and perpetuated by MSM; it’s amazing how such a significant percentage of our country allows themselves to be so easily persuaded and influenced.
Majorie Taylor Green said Trump told her he didn't want to look further into the Epstein files because it will hurt his friends.
 
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So why did Trump, not Biden, get them released?
Biden tried to protect those powerful people as well. But Trump was the one who ran on exposing those involved and bringing them to justice. But he is back tracking from it. 🤔
 
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Bill and Hillary were friends with Trump. What's your point? Elon Musk even said Trump's name was mentioned throughout the Epstein Files as well.
From a liberal news outlet, CNN:

”Hillary Clinton wants to make something very clear about her and Donald Trump: “We were not friends.

“We knew each other, obviously, in New York,” she told People magazine in an interview released on Wednesday. “I knew a lot of people.”

With daughter Chelsea by her side, the former secretary of state dismissed Trump’s recent comments about her husband’s infidelity. Trump has said that former President Bill Clinton is “one of the great abusers” of women.

Oh, yes, you are so right. Totally friends. By the way, do you have any photos of Trump in a hot tub with one of the victims?
 

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Oh, yes, you are so right. Totally friends. By the way, do you have any photos of Trump in a hot tub with one of the victims?

Who needs photos? We've got statements saying he ate babies while piloting the boat that carried the victims out to sea to be abducted by aliens.

Just the fact that his name was mentioned means we dont need evidence, right?
 
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From a liberal news outlet, CNN:

”Hillary Clinton wants to make something very clear about her and Donald Trump: “We were not friends.

“We knew each other, obviously, in New York,” she told People magazine in an interview released on Wednesday. “I knew a lot of people.”

With daughter Chelsea by her side, the former secretary of state dismissed Trump’s recent comments about her husband’s infidelity. Trump has said that former President Bill Clinton is “one of the great abusers” of women.

Oh, yes, you are so right. Totally friends. By the way, do you have any photos of Trump in a hot tub with one of the victims?
Yeah they were acquaintances or friends years ago that ran in the same cicles but for whatever reason fell out with each other.
 

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Majorie Taylor Green said Trump told her he didn't want to look further into the Epstein files because it will hurt his friends.

Yeah they were acquaintances or friends years ago that ran in the same cicles but for whatever reason fell out with each other.

First, you allude to Trump protecting his friends in the present. Then, you try to lump Trump/Clintons together as part of that group of friends, and now you acknowledge they aren’t friends in the present.

Which is it? And where’s your picture of Trump in the hot tub with a victim?
 

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First, you allude to Trump protecting his friends in the present. Then, you try to lump Trump/Clintons together as part of that group of friends, and now you acknowledge they aren’t friends in the present.

Which is it? And where’s your picture of Trump in the hot tub with a victim?
Remember they're were alot of powerful people allegedly involved both Bill and Trump were friends with Epstein. Trump was seen quite frequently with him and appeared to know what he was doing.
 

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First, you allude to Trump protecting his friends in the present. Then, you try to lump Trump/Clintons together as part of that group of friends, and now you acknowledge they aren’t friends in the present.

Which is it? And where’s your picture of Trump in the hot tub with a victim?
Clinton needs to be held on charges as well if he was proven he did something wrong. Trump ran in the same circles as Epstein as well as Clinton.
 

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Remember they're were alot of powerful people allegedly involved both Bill and Trump were friends with Epstein. Trump was seen quite frequently with him and appeared to know what he was doing.
Trump has something greater than the Epstein files to worry about. Iran has him by his cahoonas. The Iranians are squeezing and twisting them.
 

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Graham was on my November general election ballot 4 times. I voted for him only once. Obviously, I was not a huge fan. I cannot see his sister winning the seat. But crazier things happen.

Is she even running? I thought she was appointed just to finish out the term?

Which brings me to another annoyance of mine. Lindsey was elected, not his family. What makes a sister suddenly worthy of being a senator? If the side of the aisle bothers you, think about how many people call for Obama's wife to run. What has she done? Married a politician?
 

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I dont think you really addressed his post.

You mention that people "look under the hood" of every candidate, and that is true.

I dont think the knowingly false Russiagate, fake impeachment, laughably dubious criminal investigations and now the Epstein situation really count as "checking under the hood".

But I do.

I remember a 2 year investigation into Bill Clinton getting a blow job and trying to cover up the blow job- led by Newt Gingrich, who was having an adulterous affair at the same time with a House staff employee. (Not even counting the affair he had with a young volunteer intern in 1974 during his first campaign for office.

“We’d have won in 1974 if we could have kept Newt out of the office, screwing her on the desk.”

I remember murder accusations (Rush Limbaugh said Clinton murdered about a dozen people while in office in Arkansas and DC, He just could never provide any actual evidence of it other than inuendo).

I even remember Donald Trump running around saying he had evidence Obama was illegally president and wasn't born in the United States.

Full disclosure: I never voted- not even once- for any of the above people.
 

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And? Im looking for what that has to do with his post? His comment was that after downplaying it, they then tried to blame it on Trump. Your quotes dont really add to or address that.
His post said "Dem" leaders downplayed COVID at first.

I replied that Donald Trump downplayed COVID and bragged about downplaying it. Why hold them responsible but not the actual President? The country isn't looking to party leaders in such events. They look to the President.
 
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Um, no.

First presidential race I experienced was Nixon-Kennedy, and I’ve experienced every one since. The uprising against Trump, seemingly out of the blue for those not behind the uprising, is unprecedented, and by a long shot. No spinning that.

As for your other epistle, I saw with my own eyes Trump taking the action of putting the quietus on China right from the jump while Pelosi and Sanders told every microphone in sight that the president was overreacting and there was nothing to worry about, no more than the common cold. I was on a cruise; the big news that week was Kobe Bryant’s death, but what I’m describing was occurring concurrently. Yessir.

You left out the part where Trump told everyone to drink bleach. That’s fundamental to your narrative.

I'm older than you.

I can post more quotes than I care to about Trump bragging about China's response to COVID in early 2020. Peliosi and Sanders weren't President.

Trump said a lot of stupid stuff about Covid. So did a lot of people- but they weren't President. His pontificating about bleach and light weren't worth me mentioning.
 

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Is she even running? I thought she was appointed just to finish out the term?

Which brings me to another annoyance of mine. Lindsey was elected, not his family. What makes a sister suddenly worthy of being a senator? If the side of the aisle bothers you, think about how many people call for Obama's wife to run. What has she done? Married a politician?

There are no real qualifications to run or win public office outside of those mentioned in the constitution. Lots of unqualified people get elected to every office under the sun.

Michelle Obama has done nothing related to being qualified to run for political office. But, like many, she meets the qualifications- which really aren't stringent.

We have lots of politicians at every level that have overseen failed businesses and have failed personal lives.

Thankfully, Michelle Obama always been consistent and said she wasn't interested and wouldn't be running for office.
 

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But I do.

I remember a 2 year investigation into Bill Clinton getting a blow job and trying to cover up the blow job- led by Newt Gingrich, who was having an adulterous affair at the same time with a House staff employee. (Not even counting the affair he had with a young volunteer intern in 1974 during his first campaign for office.

“We’d have won in 1974 if we could have kept Newt out of the office, screwing her on the desk.”

I remember murder accusations (Rush Limbaugh said Clinton murdered about a dozen people while in office in Arkansas and DC, He just could never provide any actual evidence of it other than inuendo).

I even remember Donald Trump running around saying he had evidence Obama was illegally president and wasn't born in the United States.

Full disclosure: I never voted- not even once- for any of the above people.

I see your confusion.

Bill's investigation was into something he actually did. He really was banging interns in the oval office. One can argue the importance of it, but not that it happened.

Russiagate was fake, arranged by the outgoing administration and his opponent at the time. The fake impeachment was just that too. The criminal investigations speak for themselves, and the Epstein connection is pretty much dead to anyone being realistic.

To put it shortly, "checking under the hood" means looking for dirt on an opponent. Dirt meaning something they actually did. The things mentioned about Trump, were things made up about him.

And radio people "saying rhings" about a president, or Trump "saying things" about the birth certificate does not approach false impeachment or disingenuous criminal prosecutions.

They are not in the same ballpark.

So, to put it shortly, I think the disconnect is the idea that digging up dirt on someone does not equal faking dirt on people.
 
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His post said "Dem" leaders downplayed COVID at first.

I replied that Donald Trump downplayed COVID and bragged about downplaying it. A bit odd to blame the minority party in the House for downplaying something when the President is downplaying it and bragging about downplaying it.

I see your confusion here too. The problem is you didn't repeat the full quote. It was not that the dems only downplayed the epidemic, it was that they were hypocritical in downplaying it, THEN turned around to blame Trump for it.

The hypocrisy was issue, not the downplaying. At least as far as I read it.
 

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There are no real qualifications to run or win public office outside of those mentioned in the constitution. Lots of unqualified people get elected to every office under the sun.

Michelle Obama has done nothing related to being qualified to run for political office. But, like many, she meets the qualifications- which really aren't stringent.

We have lots of politicians at every level that have overseen failed businesses and have failed personal lives.

Thankfully, Michelle Obama always been consistent and said she wasn't interested and wouldn't be running for office.

I understand that there are very few real qualifications for running for public office. That is why I didn't use that word.
 
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Is she even running? I thought she was appointed just to finish out the term?

Which brings me to another annoyance of mine. Lindsey was elected, not his family. What makes a sister suddenly worthy of being a senator? If the side of the aisle bothers you, think about how many people call for Obama's wife to run. What has she done? Married a politician?
Obama has absolutely no qualifications to run for POTUS. I would not understand the attraction. Regardless, I have not seen her name brought up for 2028.

Regarding Graham, being up there and looking in the mirror seeing a Senator, what will go through her mind? What will she think to herself? "Why not me?" Ego can sometimes overtake common sense. If she does, as I indicated above, she will waste her time.

In the meantime, I got a text today from a prospective GOP candidate attacking Ralph Norman, who announced for the job. A friend, Sunday morning while in West Virginia, was enthusiastic for the 73 year-old Norman. I don't see it. I would think a younger, known person will go for it. Regardless, old timers need to step aside for the generation behind them. They have had their turn. I sense the country is tired of octogenarians or near octogenarians running things.
 
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Obama has absolutely no qualifications to run for POTUS. I would not understand the attraction. Regardless, I have not seen her name brought up for 2028.

Regarding Graham, being up there and looking in the mirror seeing a Senator, what will go through her mind? What will she think to herself? "Why not me?" Ego can sometimes overtake common sense. If she does, as I indicated above, she will waste her time.

In the meantime, I got a text today from a prospective GOP candidate attacking Ralph Norman, who announced for the job. A friend, Sunday morning while in West Virginia, was enthusiastic for the 73 year-old Norman. I don't see it. I would think a younger, known person will go for it. Regardless, old timers need to step aside for the generation behind them. They have had their turn. I sense the country is tired of octogenarians or near octogenarians running things.
Michelle has no interest in running but if she did she would probably win or at least win the popular vote. She is Ivy league educated and a engaging speaker.
 
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Obama has absolutely no qualifications to run for POTUS. I would not understand the attraction. Regardless, I have not seen her name brought up for 2028.

Regarding Graham, being up there and looking in the mirror seeing a Senator, what will go through her mind? What will she think to herself? "Why not me?" Ego can sometimes overtake common sense. If she does, as I indicated above, she will waste her time.

In the meantime, I got a text today from a prospective GOP candidate attacking Ralph Norman, who announced for the job. A friend, Sunday morning while in West Virginia, was enthusiastic for the 73 year-old Norman. I don't see it. I would think a younger, known person will go for it. Regardless, old timers need to step aside for the generation behind them. They have had their turn. I sense the country is tired of octogenarians or near octogenarians running things.

41 y/o Congressman Russell Fry will throw his hat in the ring.
 

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Obama has absolutely no qualifications to run for POTUS. I would not understand the attraction. Regardless, I have not seen her name brought up for 2028.

Regarding Graham, being up there and looking in the mirror seeing a Senator, what will go through her mind? What will she think to herself? "Why not me?" Ego can sometimes overtake common sense. If she does, as I indicated above, she will waste her time.

In the meantime, I got a text today from a prospective GOP candidate attacking Ralph Norman, who announced for the job. A friend, Sunday morning while in West Virginia, was enthusiastic for the 73 year-old Norman. I don't see it. I would think a younger, known person will go for it. Regardless, old timers need to step aside for the generation behind them. They have had their turn. I sense the country is tired of octogenarians or near octogenarians running things.
I just see Norman as a cantankerous old fart.Surely we can do better.I would love for Trey Gowdy to run.But he had enough of Washington which makes him even more attractive.I remember hearing that Dem opposition research on him came back with nothing on him.In fact I believe they called him a Boy Scout,when that was a compliment.