Just more mindless drivel from you. Not even those who dislike me are buying that garbage and you don't believe it either. It is just an attempt to irritate me and suppress the posting of facts that go against your maniacal agenda and it will not work.
The only thing I would add is to go further and say it's extremely unlikely he turns into a truly great coach. He's simply not a bad coach, he's a mid coach for the mid basketball program Kentucky has had for the last decade. They fit each other extremely well.
All time leader in wins and winning percentage, 2nd most national titles, tied for most national titles ever if you count Premo-Porretta and Helms titles, Most Elite Eights in NCAAT history, among the largest historic brands in CBB history, Top five in Final Four appearances….
Hopefully nobody gets mad at the true statement. Currently we are a mid program. But the tradition isn't mid and things can change at Kentucky in a heartbeat.
It’s obvious he’s not.
I am a Kentucky fan and I meant the current Kentucky basketball program. Historically Kentucky is the best basketball program in college basketball. I should have been specific, the Kentucky basketball program of the last decade and this generation is mid.
Even in the last ten years, I think you’re going way too far there.
Those seem like pretty mid results to me especially for a blue blood. At no point did I say Kentucky was bad. I specifically said they weren't. Over the last ten years they have been disappointing in the tournament. I guess when I say mid I mean solidly tier two and closer to tier three than tier one. That's how I see Kentucky over the last ten years at least in tournament success. Kentucky is not a bad basketball program even now, even in the last ten years they just aren't great. Just like Pope isn't a bad coach he's just not great.
You don't think we've been mid the last two years? He's not a Kentucky fan for saying 9th seeds are mid? Getting blown out in the NCAA tournament games? Once again somebody has to be angry or not a UK fan if they have a different opinion. I agree with him we are the definition of mid. Currently. Not in the past no.
This is the bad thing about message boards. Some of you guys can only talk about one topic. Everything comes back to Pope.
He’s not a UK fan because of his posting history. It’s obvious he’s trolling.
The topic was about us being mid. How can we discuss that topic without talking about the head coach?
Aw ok I would have to check into that. I'm not saying you're wrong. I was just saying from that one post it didn't seem unreasonable.
But wasn't that the whole main point of this thread talking about Pope? I'm pretty certain both of us agree that Pope is neither a great or horrible coach. That's exactly why I liked and agreed with your post. The people that say Pope is amazing and the people saying Pope are awful are probably equally deluded because he's neither. He's exactly what I said he is a mid coach for this generation's mid Kentucky basketball program. If your desires and expectations are to be a favorite going into the season and be a dominant force like Kentucky was in the early Calipari years than he's not good enough and if your expectations are to consistently make it to the NCAA tournament and get past the first round it's hard to argue with his results.
Because the head coach has been here for two years. When someone says such and such program is mid/great or anything else, that most certainly goes beyond two years.
You said mid program. That’s what I replied to.
Are you saying calling them historically a mid program is asinine because as I said it's not what I meant? I was specifically referring to this current generation and of the last ten years.
How many years does Pope need in your opinion? So Billy G wasn't mid either? Say he wasn't a drunk...you would have defended his results?
When you keep saying ten years, you lose credibility but I know it’s on purpose.
I wouldn’t say we are mid over the last ten years. I’d say we are down but, we’ve had a few national title contenders in that time frame.
I agree entirely. It's all about managing expectations. If you are expecting greatness I feel it's pretty safe to say that's not happening under Pope. It could but it's extremely unlikely. If you are pleased with consistently getting out of the first round of the NCAA tournament and you don't have a really high bar for recruiting than Pope is your man. It just depends on what you hope to see Kentucky be. I'm good with consistent sweet 16's and I believe Pope can get us there. I don't need more championships or to be a top tier program like Duke or UConn but if you do than clearly Pope is unlikely to deliver that.
Hot take, but Skal wasn't a bust at UK. Calipari tried to make him into Shaq. He was a stretch 5. Go watch him against LSU. He was 10 years ahead of his time.
We have already established that the facts are on my side. Your argument is rooted in the 1980s basketball and has no relevance to modern times. Rosters are rebuilt in single seasons these days especially with our $. You are being extremely dense or hardheaded to keep with the bad analysis about old coaches. Pope ain't got it.
I stopped reading after your first paragraph. Pick someone else for the “Pope sucks” or “Pope is great” stuff.
I don’t fully disagree with your point there. He was misused. But he also did have serious deficiencies. If both say it’s true that he largely was a bust, but he could have been helped by playing into his finesse game more.
Lol I was with you man all the way until the last couple sentences. Hopefully you are just being sarcastic like I do sometimes
Ok man. But did you defend Billy G? The results. Not his drinking habits.
If you don't have any interest in discussing it then why don't you just get off the site? I like your takes on Kentucky basketball for the most part. You seem a bit eager to come up with excuses than to look at results but overall i like what you have to say. If you don't want to discuss Kentucky basketball or at least this topic then find another thread, start your own on a topic you do want to discuss or just get off the message board. Coming here just to say you don't want to discuss something and have zero interest in discussing it is what truly comes off as asinine though when you could easily just not be here.
Because I like discussing other topics. Go look at my post history. I like digging into the weeds of CBB, but you can’t tell me you don’t get bored hearing the same people with the same topic over and over.
Since the inception of NIL. Kentucky Basketball has regularly lost 10 games a season. They did under Calipari and have under Pope. Since NIL inception our football programs record has declined every year dropping to 5 wins the last 2 years straight.
Just a warning my friend. You’re about ready to be called a “hate filled fraud” and you are now apparently gay and have boyfriends on here. Not my opinion, just giving you a heads up it’s coming.
They already have. Lol. They offer nothing but opinions though. Nothing. A six years old can google our Football and basketball records since NIL an recognize the straight and steady decline of our revenue sports. Opinions don’t change records.Just a warning my friend. You’re about ready to be called a “hate filled fraud” and you are now apparently gay and have boyfriends on here. Not my opinion, just giving you a heads up it’s coming.
I don’t disagree with any of that, at least not enough to point out some subtleties. My issue is and has always been with Pope, he’s just meh. He was for 9 yrs prior to UK. He has been for 2 yrs at UK. 11 yrs in, I’m pretty sure that’s who he is. Some are okay with that because he’s allegedly this great dude and former captain of a national championship team (which, btw, he was meh as a player too). I don’t care about any of it. Would just like to not have a goofball that gets meh results.
Oh my joke wasn’t about a group but one single poster that used to go by “Butter’s dad”. Take heed. It’s coming.
I’d argue he was better than meh for those 9 years prior to Kentucky.
There are no facts on your side. This is just your opinion that is tailored to reach the conclusion you desire. You are the utter fool who thinks he can see the future and labels any evidence from the past as irrelevant when it does not match your agenda.
I must assume this to be more or less a parody account created by one of the fire Pope crusaders.
