Greg has one of the lowest win percentages of any active coach

[Caliknight]

Kelly would be a massive upgrade, especially where we need it most. On the sidelines on gameday. It will be funny to see him do a NJ accent.

"Hey how's youse guys doin?" would be heard in the first presser.

 

[e5fdny]

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Paywall’d, but given he’s come up a few times in the thread thought it was worth posting for the headline alone

Let’s get him.
Greg couldn’t carry Kelly’s jockstrap.

Winning record everywhere he coached - Grand Valley, Central Michigan, Cincinnati, Notre Dame, LSU. Winning conference records at GV, CM, Cincy, and LSU.

At Cincinnati in 2006, crushed the best Rutgers team ever when Rutgers was ranked #7. Brian was 4-0 against Greg's best teams. Objectively, Brian is a superior coach to Greg. Tate and Keli should hire Brian to replace Greg today. Tate hired Brian four years ago, why not hire him at Rutgers.

From article:

For Kelly, this fall will be about watching and listening. Kelly said he wouldn’t rule out being an assistant coach for the first time in 30-plus years. He also said he didn’t need to take a job offer from one of the few programs with a realistic chance of winning a national title.

“I don’t think I’ve closed any doors in my own mind,” Kelly said. “And I think that’s the most important thing. I’m very open-minded about what the opportunities might be for me. I have a lot more to give.”

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@RUTGERS95 reading this:

I remember reading an article about what Kelly said he had to do after taking over from Weis.

You got the vibe from Kelly’s own words Weis was more Flood like than Schiano. And I’m not talking about schematic advantage stuff. LOL Meaning his job here, initially would be a lighter lift than what he faced in South Bend. Because aside from the record, B1G and overall, 2.0 has given us at least the look of a B1G team.

But a change like that might be something we are ready for.

 

[RUTGERS95]

@RUTGERS95 reading this:

totally!

I'm ready to write a check! lol

 

[RUTGERS95]

Maybe because winning in football is more than just the coach. Maybe it's a combination of coaching, the AD, the schedule, the strength of the conference at the time and luck. A quick look at Belema's time at Ark. he looks like he has the team on an upswing entering the 2016 season, but then goes 7-6 and 3-5 in the conference but he plays 6 ranked teams. At that point maybe the big donors start to get grumbly. Then looking at his schedules at Illinois they seem much easier and maybe in a game or two he get's lucky and the opposing coach gifts him a win or two. Great coaches can overcome a lot. But maybe some good coaches just get lucky sometimes and sometimes not.

no doubt, it's a lot of things but coaching still matters most

 

[RU#1fan]

totally!

I'm ready to write a check! lol

Me too

 

[SchianoBuhByeO]

I don't know if it's been said but Brian Kelly or Blake Baker are the 2 options that would immediately upgrade this program

 

[e5fdny]

I don't know if it's been said but Brian Kelly or Blake Baker are the 2 options that would immediately upgrade this program

I think, whoever it might be, will be a previous HC.

 

[RobertG]

no doubt, it's a lot of things but coaching still matters most

Of course it does but Belima didn't somehow forget how to coach when he crossed the Mason Dixon line and remembered when he crossed back. There were factors that his coaching ability wasn't able to overcome. Some places are just to dysfunctional to win or have to big of a hill to climb.

Now I'm not going to argue with you if Schiano is a good game day coach or a bad game day coach. I've seen to much from him, in the negative, to argue that. But, I think you will agree with me, that Rutgers is one of those dysfunctional schools that almost no coach would be able to overcome and consistently win here. Just look across our athletic department, few of our sports teams win at anything. I think that we've only finished above last once or twice in the director's cup among the BIG teams since we've been in the B1G. That's pretty consistently bad across all teams for a long time and it points to something other than bad coaching which is at play here. And to me, until those things are fixed or at least starting to be addressed, it's futile to eat big contracts and try and bring in other coaches It think mediocre is the ceiling for Rutgers, or at least it was pre-Zinn. If things look cleaned up, and Schiano still flounders, then bring in somebody else. But until then I wouldn't do anything.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Of course it does but Belima didn't somehow forget how to coach when he crossed the Mason Dixon line and remembered when he crossed back. There were factors that his coaching ability wasn't able to overcome. Some places are just to dysfunctional to win or have to big of a hill to climb.

Now I'm not going to argue with you if Schiano is a good game day coach or a bad game day coach. I've seen to much from him, in the negative, to argue that. But, I think you will agree with me, that Rutgers is one of those dysfunctional schools that almost no coach would be able to overcome and consistently win here. Just look across our athletic department, few of our sports teams win at anything. I think that we've only finished above last once or twice in the director's cup among the BIG teams since we've been in the B1G. That's pretty consistently bad across all teams for a long time and it points to something other than bad coaching which is at play here. And to me, until those things are fixed or at least starting to be addressed, it's futile to eat big contracts and try and bring in other coaches It think mediocre is the ceiling for Rutgers, or at least it was pre-Zinn. If things look cleaned up, and Schiano still flounders, then bring in somebody else. But until then I wouldn't do anything.

no question on Rutgers and we've all debated and discussed it. RU needs a ww2, top to bottom, all in approach to managing sports for it's betterment. zero question

 

[Knight Shift]

Of course it does but Belima didn't somehow forget how to coach when he crossed the Mason Dixon line and remembered when he crossed back. There were factors that his coaching ability wasn't able to overcome. Some places are just to dysfunctional to win or have to big of a hill to climb.

Now I'm not going to argue with you if Schiano is a good game day coach or a bad game day coach. I've seen to much from him, in the negative, to argue that. But, I think you will agree with me, that Rutgers is one of those dysfunctional schools that almost no coach would be able to overcome and consistently win here. Just look across our athletic department, few of our sports teams win at anything. I think that we've only finished above last once or twice in the director's cup among the BIG teams since we've been in the B1G. That's pretty consistently bad across all teams for a long time and it points to something other than bad coaching which is at play here. And to me, until those things are fixed or at least starting to be addressed, it's futile to eat big contracts and try and bring in other coaches It think mediocre is the ceiling for Rutgers, or at least it was pre-Zinn. If things look cleaned up, and Schiano still flounders, then bring in somebody else. But until then I wouldn't do anything.

This should be the Rutgers coming out song:

 

[RUDivision]

Of course it does but Belima didn't somehow forget how to coach when he crossed the Mason Dixon line and remembered when he crossed back. There were factors that his coaching ability wasn't able to overcome. Some places are just to dysfunctional to win or have to big of a hill to climb.

Now I'm not going to argue with you if Schiano is a good game day coach or a bad game day coach. I've seen to much from him, in the negative, to argue that. But, I think you will agree with me, that Rutgers is one of those dysfunctional schools that almost no coach would be able to overcome and consistently win here. Just look across our athletic department, few of our sports teams win at anything. I think that we've only finished above last once or twice in the director's cup among the BIG teams since we've been in the B1G. That's pretty consistently bad across all teams for a long time and it points to something other than bad coaching which is at play here. And to me, until those things are fixed or at least starting to be addressed, it's futile to eat big contracts and try and bring in other coaches It think mediocre is the ceiling for Rutgers, or at least it was pre-Zinn. If things look cleaned up, and Schiano still flounders, then bring in somebody else. But until then I wouldn't do anything.

The reason we always finish in the bottom of the directors cup and we are so dysfunctional is we do ex’s fly what you suggest NOTHING!

Successful programs understand how to win and do not sit on dead weight coaches allows all the fruit to die on the vine before they move on. You never can get off the mat just doing nothing.

 

[MADHAT1]

Kelly is a proven winner and I believe he's make Rutgers into something Schiano has failed to accomplish ( both tenures), but just give him partial credit for the Bearcats win over Rutgers in 2006 !
Mark Dantonio was Cincys HC that game, Brian took over after the regular season and named HC for their bowl game that year,
Dantonio left for MSU after the 2006 regular season and his OC Kelly became HC..

That said, Kelly probably would fit better at Rutgers than he did at LSU even though he was 34-14 here before being dumped like an unwanted ragdoll
He fits the BIG and the type of football culture the east and Midwest has than the deep south and SEC type
Bret Bielema is an example of a good coach not fitting among a school's fanbase and thriving in a place more suited for him .

Given the right support ,I would think Bran Kelly might be able to turn Rutgers into a rising program after being run out of the south, just like Bret B is doing at Illinois .
The only difference between Bret and Brian is Bret was run out of Arkansas with a losing record, while Brian had a winning one, but was unwanted

 

[RobertG]

The reason we always finish in the bottom of the directors cup and we are so dysfunctional is we do ex’s fly what you suggest NOTHING!

Successful programs understand how to win and do not sit on dead weight coaches allows all the fruit to die on the vine before they move on. You never can get off the mat just doing nothing.

Read through my post and find the word "until" and then read that sentence.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Maybe because winning in football is more than just the coach. Maybe it's a combination of coaching, the AD, the schedule, the strength of the conference at the time and luck. A quick look at Belema's time at Ark. he looks like he has the team on an upswing entering the 2016 season, but then goes 7-6 and 3-5 in the conference but he plays 6 ranked teams. At that point maybe the big donors start to get grumbly. Then looking at his schedules at Illinois they seem much easier and maybe in a game or two he get's lucky and the opposing coach gifts him a win or two. Great coaches can overcome a lot. But maybe some good coaches just get lucky sometimes and sometimes not.

"Maybe in a game or two he gets lucky and the opposing coach gifts him a win or two.". Truer words have never been spoken. Greg handed Bielema one of his 10 wins that season on a silver platter.

 

[Caliknight]

Greg would best served giving the headsets to someone else on gameday. A hallmark of his career is routinely getting outcoached on game day. The NFL really showed how pedestrian he is when the lights come on.

 

[e5fdny]

Of course it does but Belima didn't somehow forget how to coach when he crossed the Mason Dixon line and remembered when he crossed back. There were factors that his coaching ability wasn't able to overcome. Some places are just to dysfunctional to win or have to big of a hill to climb.

Now I'm not going to argue with you if Schiano is a good game day coach or a bad game day coach. I've seen to much from him, in the negative, to argue that. But, I think you will agree with me, that Rutgers is one of those dysfunctional schools that almost no coach would be able to overcome and consistently win here. Just look across our athletic department, few of our sports teams win at anything. I think that we've only finished above last once or twice in the director's cup among the BIG teams since we've been in the B1G. That's pretty consistently bad across all teams for a long time and it points to something other than bad coaching which is at play here. And to me, until those things are fixed or at least starting to be addressed, it's futile to eat big contracts and try and bring in other coaches It think mediocre is the ceiling for Rutgers, or at least it was pre-Zinn. If things look cleaned up, and Schiano still flounders, then bring in somebody else. But until then I wouldn't do anything.

But not doing anything you mean no extension, yes?

Because if that’s what you meant, I’m in full agreement.

 

[yesrutgers01]

All of his (counting) Crows would have eventually come home to roost.

Almost funny to think that how going to one concert is a defining moment- meanwhile- at other winning schools such as Michigan- the HC has plenty of time to well, you know...

To be honest though, After what JH did to the man- he had checked out at some point.

 

[yesrutgers01]

He wasn’t as bad as some people make it out to be, but it’s hard to imagine his recruiting classes wouldn’t have caught up with him.

Here is something often missed. Flood actually started out very strong in recruiting and not only some great commits but also getting visits from huge national recruits on top of that.

But- he started to have a bad year and then JH started her crap- the recruits started to listen and started to leave. And the first time that we had a recruit that committed, go on a OV to another school- everyone applauded Flood for acting like a big boy school and telling the kid that is not acceptable and that he no longer considered him as committed.

If he had an AD that had his back and supported him- those recruiting classes would have been much better.

After the disaster that followed that year- he had no choice but to go against his normal tendencies and follow a much more Louisville type of approach where you would have to remind kids to keep their guns and drugs at home and not to abuse women.

The guy just gave up at that point. He actually did keep his head in the game during practice and gameday though. But just no longer cared, why would he?

What upset me most about Flood- is that he did not stand up for himself and his beliefs and allowed himself to be a puppet just to get his paycheck

 

[kupuna133]

Here is something often missed. Flood actually started out very strong in recruiting and not only some great commits but also getting visits from huge national recruits on top of that.

But- he started to have a bad year and then JH started her crap- the recruits started to listen and started to leave. And the first time that we had a recruit that committed, go on a OV to another school- everyone applauded Flood for acting like a big boy school and telling the kid that is not acceptable and that he no longer considered him as committed.

If he had an AD that had his back and supported him- those recruiting classes would have been much better.

After the disaster that followed that year- he had no choice but to go against his normal tendencies and follow a much more Louisville type of approach where you would have to remind kids to keep their guns and drugs at home and not to abuse women.

The guy just gave up at that point. He actually did keep his head in the game during practice and gameday though. But just no longer cared, why would he?

What upset me most about Flood- is that he did not stand up for himself and his beliefs and allowed himself to be a puppet just to get his paycheck

Last paragraph is what did him in more than anything else. You don’t come from Floods background and forget about discipline and hard work.

 

[MADHAT1]

Greg would best served giving the headsets to someone else on gameday. A hallmark of his career is routinely getting outcoached on game day. The NFL really showed how pedestrian he is when the lights come on.

As for the Bucs
Raheem Morris was 17-31 the 3 years before , Doing 3-13 ,10-6 & 4-12
Greg tried and failed (11-21) in 2
Lovie Smith took over and did worse (8-24,) in 2 .

Greg might not be prime rib as a HC ,but Tampa wasn’t a beef tenderloin organization right before and for a little while after he was there.
Not defending Schiano as a HC , but Vince Lombardi would have had problems winning there at the time.

The Bucs basically sucked from when they got rid of Jon Guden at the end of the 2008 season to 2020 when they reached the playoffs again ,winning the Super Bowl under Bruce Arians with Rom Brady at QB

But you’re spot on about his lack of gameday coaching chops, I would say Schiano’s gameday coaching would have Lombardi’s Packers looking more like Rich Kotite's Jets

As it stands, unless Schiano has a winning season this year, he needs to be replaced ASAP.
If he wins in 2026 but the program doesn't look like it's headed towards being among the "upper echelon" in the BIG , then Zinn needs look for someone that she feels will be able to and replace Greg .

adding a reply to what yesrutgers posted about Food and his lack of support from JH
From the beginning Kyle didn't have the support of the fanbase and his first year record was put down by his detractors saying it was Schiano's recruits that made him look good .
So besides the AD , Flood didn't have the type of fan support that recruits might look at as when they choose schools .
I supported Kyle at first, but by the time he was forced out, I wanted him gone..

 

[e5fdny]

What upset me most about Flood- is that he did not stand up for himself and his beliefs and allowed himself to be a puppet just to get his paycheck

Last paragraph is what did him in more than anything else. You don’t come from Floods background and forget about discipline and hard work.

I’m not going to make excuses for anyone…but when you’re going through all the stress from work and a family member is dying, in this case his mom, it does stuff do you.

 

[RUDivision]

Wow, now he’s a bad guy. The guys who have played for him don’t think so.

Negatoids are the bad guys!

Go Coach Schiano and Go RU!!

Wrong again. You hear from the few while the many are silenced! There has to be a ex player or parent on the board who know.

stop being a lap dog

 

[Anon1754923206]

I can see it already…6-6, 7-5 and that can is kicked soundly down the road…

 

[Caliknight]

As for the Bucs
Raheem Morris was 17-31 the 3 years before , Doing 3-13 ,10-6 & 4-12
Greg tried and failed (11-21) in 2
Lovie Smith took over and did worse (8-24,) in 2 .

Greg might not be prime rib as a HC ,but Tampa wasn’t a beef tenderloin organization right before and for a little while after he was there.
Not defending Schiano as a HC , but Vince Lombardi would have had problems winning there at the time.

The Bucs basically sucked from when they got rid of Jon Guden at the end of the 2008 season to 2020 when they reached the playoffs again ,winning the Super Bowl under Bruce Arians with Rom Brady at QB

But you’re spot on about his lack of gameday coaching chops, I would say Schiano’s gameday coaching would have Lombardi’s Packers looking more like Rich Kotite's Jets

As it stands, unless Schiano has a winning season this year, he needs to be replaced ASAP.
If he wins in 2026 but the program doesn't look like it's headed towards being among the "upper echelon" in the BIG , then Zinn needs look for someone that she feels will be able to and replace Greg .

adding a reply to what yesrutgers posted about Food and his lack of support from JH
From the beginning Kyle didn't have the support of the fanbase and his first year record was put down by his detractors saying it was Schiano's recruits that made him look good .
So besides the AD , Flood didn't have the type of fan support that recruits might look at as when they choose schools .
I supported Kyle at first, but by the time he was forced out, I wanted him gone..

Those guys suck as coaches too.

6-6 gets Schiano another year. Even 5-7 I think. Keli is very strategic. She just wants to avoid the disaster season forcing her hand earlier than she'd like from a payout perspective. The best/most realistic thing that can happen is Schiano does well enough to allow Kelly to continue raising funds while simultaneously lowering his buyout. Then when the time comes in two years, she will be armed with the resources to truly make what would be a splash hire for us. At that point even the most ardent Schiano fanboi's will understand his time is up.

 

[RUTGERS95]

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[scarletbergen]

5+ wins with this schedule will require that Schiano is a genius. We are building a program. Maybe we finally have two nickles to begin to start to compete!

It’s always been the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Go ahead fools, bring on your next Chris Ash.

 

[kupuna133]

5+ wins with this schedule will require that Schiano is a genius. We are building a program. Maybe we finally have two nickles to begin to start to compete!

It’s always been the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Go ahead fools, bring on your next Chris Ash.

2026 Rutgers Football
Sept. 3 (Thursday): UMass
Sept. 11 (Friday): at Boston College
Sept. 19: USC
Sept. 26: Howard
Oct. 3: Indiana
Oct. 17: at Maryland
Oct. 24: at Northwestern
Oct. 31: Michigan
Nov. 7: at Wisconsin
Nov. 14: Nebraska
Nov. 21: at Penn State
Nov. 28: Michigan State

Tell me where you see your 5 wins?

 

[kupuna133]

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And 3 of those coaches are on our schedule. Let’s see how they do head to head. Greg should be able to take 2 of 3 minimum.

 

[Knight Shift]

And 3 of those coaches are on our schedule. Let’s see how they do head to head. Greg should be able to take 2 of 3 minimum.

Glad to see the once vaunted Lance Leipold on the list. Coaching in a P4 league is not like coaching at Wisconsin Whitewater. He has a 9 win season to his credit though, and a winning conference record.

2021	Kansas	2–10	1–8	10th
2022	Kansas	6–7	3–6	T–7th	L Liberty
2023	Kansas	9–4	5–4	T–7th	W Guaranteed Rate	23	23
2024	Kansas	5–7	4–5	10th
2025	Kansas	5–7	3–6	T–11th
Kansas:	27–35	16–29

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

Odom's seat is hot already? It's his second year.

 

[kupuna133]

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[LotusAggressor_rivals]

5+ wins with this schedule will require that Schiano is a genius. We are building a program. Maybe we finally have two nickles to begin to start to compete!

It’s always been the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Go ahead fools, bring on your next Chris Ash.

5 wins with this schedule is not an indication of coaching genius. 9 or 10 wins would be.

 

[kupuna133]

5 wins with this schedule is not an indication of coaching genius. 9 or 10 wins would be.

One of the easier schedules of Greg 2.0. 3 gimmes. 3 coaches on the hot seat 3 brand new coaching staffs.

 

[Knight Shift]

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If Rutgers does not win this game, fans may be in for a long season.

5 wins with this schedule is not an indication of coaching genius. 9 or 10 wins would be.

Imagine the idiocy of thinking 2 wins after playing 3 cupcakes is a major accomplishment.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Odom's seat is hot already? It's his second year.

yeah I don't buy that one at all. considering 54 new players last year, they actually faired well in a lot of games but still lost. Purdue was way too inconsistent so we'll see how they play this year.

I honestly don't put much credence in these lists as there is a lot that goes into the decision to can someone.

 

[RUTGERS95]

If Rutgers does not win this game, fans may be in for a long season.


Imagine the idiocy of thinking 2 wins after playing 3 cupcakes is a major accomplishment.

well Joe is trying, can't fault him for supporting his dad but we can fault him for continuing the grift lol

 

[Caliknight]

BCU is a glorified cupcake. Must win.

 

[LotusAggressor_rivals]

yeah I don't buy that one at all. considering 54 new players last year, they actually faired well in a lot of games but still lost. Purdue was way too inconsistent so we'll see how they play this year.

I honestly don't put much credence in these lists as there is a lot that goes into the decision to can someone.

I don't think these people (or the AI they're probably using) actually watched any games these teams played or had any awareness of these situations.

 

[RU#1fan]

5+ wins with this schedule will require that Schiano is a genius. We are building a program. Maybe we finally have two nickles to begin to start to compete!

It’s always been the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Go ahead fools, bring on your next Chris Ash.

Hopefully you are joking. LMAO

 

[MADHAT1]

5+ wins with this schedule will require that Schiano is a genius. We are building a program. Maybe we finally have two nickles to begin to start to compete!

It’s always been the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Go ahead fools, bring on your next Chris Ash.

Right on
If Greg gets 5 wins with this schedule he deserves a lifetime contract.
But alas , if he does, look for Bama to scoop him up