Read my post above. The VAR was not allowed in that circumstance to call the ref about it. That was the mistake (or purposeful violation by the VAR) here. Of course, the ref didn't know that's why he was called at the time, but at least FIFA has corrected this mistake now.
VAR saw all the replays. They only showed the ref the slow mo and stills. That is still a violation of protocol. What the ref called or didn't call on the field has no bearing on whether it's reviews or not. The ref saw enough to reverse his own call. He makes that call, not VAR.
You had it wrong. VAR saw all the replays. They didn't show the ref the full speed, which they are supposed to. The call for review was done according to protocol.
I referee soccer (high school and club) so I can try to explain things without sounding like a dick. There are several different red card offenses, and two of them are violent conduct and serious foul play. Violent conduct is a violent act when not challenging for the ball, such as an elbow to the face or trucking somebody like an NFL linebacker when the ball is not able to be played. In those red card situations, intent matters. It has to be a deliberate violent action. Serious foul play is different. It is a reckless foul with excessive force when challenging for the ball. Intent does not matter in those red cards. If you go into a tackle recklessly and commit a foul that endangers the safety of an opponent, it is a red card offense. The play last night was a textbook red card. The England player ran with speed, recklessly challenged for the ball with his studs way up in the air and caught the Mexican player high on the leg with his studs. If the Mexican player's leg had been planted on the ground, it could've broken it. Those kind of tackles are very dangerous and can cause serious injury, which is why they are red cards. The Balogun situation was different as he wasn't trying to make a tackle. He was jumping for the ball with the Bosnian player, and just the way their feet were positioned, he landed on his ankle. A complete accident. Last night, the England player made a decision to recklessly challenge for the ball and it cost him with a red card. Balogun literally just jumped in the air and accidentally landed on the Bosnian player's ankle. That's the difference for me.
OMG. You are really reaching for a win now. Fine, I stated that the VAR used slow motion to "call the ref" but instead he used slow motion to "show the ref" the play. By god you got me.
It's still a red card. That was not rescinded. I thought it was a clear cut red after watching the replays. I did not live. It definitely was not an egregious error by VAR or the ref like many are trying to say. Fouls like that see red all the time. Some don't. It would have been controversial had it NOT been red as well.
You don’t have to read it you know. It’s your choice. Since you keep responding you must be enjoying my posts. Why would you keep doing something you don’t enjoy?
It’s been made clear by every soccer pundit on planet earth for a month now that a red card absolutely IS about intent.
Well, according to FIFA rules we could be expelled from the tournament for what he did. That won’t happen of course, but we are open to it.
You don’t have to read it you know. It’s your choice. Since you keep responding you must be enjoying my posts. Why would you keep doing something you don’t enjoy?
No, it hasn’t. it’s not all about intent, and never has been. It’s literally about what happens. You are just flat out wrong. Few reds are done with deliberate malice. Nearly all happen accidently as a result of open play. You attempt to make a play that doesn’t go as you expected and you get into a bad situation. The ones with malice are only in the case of a punch or head butt.
Ill Intent can be either malicious or wreckless / negligent, but its always one of the two.
That is called wreckless. It’s the same mind set as how targeting is enforced here. I’be already said this once or twice, I don’t really agree with how it’s called, but thats the way it is. I’ve watched it enough to know. Leg breaker plays are going to see red most of the time. It’s unfortunate when it’s an accident, and it happens to your team. It’s also infuriating when your guy is on the end of one, and it’s not called. I’ve been there too, Pickford on van Dyke a few years ago comes to mind right away.
Would be helpful.if FIFA would come out and say the red card was unwarranted, or at leadt explain its devision in some way. Of course, people would still pick apart the explanation and bemoan FIFA's long standing corruption, but some clarity would be nice.
What I think will happen is there will be a lot of complaining, the game will be played under protest, and it will blow over in a week or so….except if we go on to win the whole thing. In that case everywhere but in the US the win will have the mental * attached to it. In other words it will all blow over in a week or so.
I hope it doesn’t end up in Swiss court because if it comes down to siding with a team that wants to take their ball and go home, I know which way they will go.
FIFA ruled in their protest this morning. Since Belgium was not a party to the proceedings they’re have no standing to protest.
LOL! They don’t want to have to explain it do they. This really is can of worms for them.
