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Supreme Court upholds principle that almost all born on U.S. soil are American
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Seems sketchy. I'll put you in the "No", pile for now on being a legit citizen, and put a hold on your ability to vote this November.
LOL, sure. This was about race. Miller didn't even try and hide it with his white replacement theory rants today on Fox.
I am definitely no Originalist, and without knowing the one and outs of the case and whether or not state law should take precedent, I am not going to weigh in besides the following:
I do believe that there are times when a shift in the reality of the nation - whether that be public opinion (to be used sparingly) or state/federal law changes dictate a review of interpretations.
But to me this ruling should not have been political (which it was) but legal - the President does not have the legal authority to circumvent established Constitutional precedent - and therefore I believe that the fact that it was not a 9-0 ruling to be troubling. It wasn't a law that was passed to change things but an overused semi-legal tool of the Executive branch.
What will be interesting to me will be how this court will rule in regards to a state's right to legislate the legality of certain weapon classes. But I think we will have to wait until next year for that one.
Then change the amendment the way our constitution provides. Also don't act like our ancestors were somehow more deserving when they received birthright citizenship than those children of immigrants that receive it now.
It's not that precedent should never be overturned. It should be overturned only when there's a strong constitutional justification. Lawrence explained why it believed Bowers was wrong. If someone wants to overturn Wong Kim Ark and 150+ years of understanding of the Fourteenth Amendment, they need to make an equally strong constitutional case—not just argue that precedent can be reversed.
Not to be accused of having TDS, but it's striking to see video of Trump signing the XO that sparked this case on 1/20/25, and video of him today. He's aging horribly. He looks awful compared to just 17 months ago.
I'm mostly worried about your transcitizen daughter/granddaughter who will have to double-czech the AI of zir Islam boss.
However, I'm sure your family will willing convert and find Allah as the One, True God.
Update…and I probably won’t for a few days. Both of my kids got engaged on the trip!
Before the Page Act of 1875, there were virtually no federal immigration restrictions. Then between that time and 1917 about 5 or 6 pieces of legislation regulating immigration were instituted. So birthright citizenship before 1875 was irrelevant. Those receiving birthright citizenship were not the product of crimes. Our ancestors were more deserving than people now because working conditions and legal protections were much less and they worked harder in the US than current illegals and their children. Your argument about changing the constitution is also legitimate.
The idea that it is moral to reward law breaking, which is the Left's position, is something that should be opposed and not encouraged, which is what the Left does.
They said today that congress can carve out exceptions to deny citizenship to children born from illegal immigrants with normal legislation. No constitutional amendment required.
www.foxnews.com
The ruling is a major setback for Trump, who made curbing birthright citizenship a key part of his immigration agenda. The president called the decision "too bad for our Country" and said Congress "can easily make it up" with legislation prepared for this outcome.
" No long and unwieldy Constitutional Amendment is necessary! Congress should start TODAY to work on ending expensive and unfair to our Country, Birthright Citizenship," Trump posted on Truth Social. "They will have my Complete and Total Support!"
Trump suffers major Supreme Court defeat as justices uphold birthright citizenship
The Supreme Court rejected President Donald Trump's bid to end birthright citizenship, preserving the constitutional guarantee of automatic U.S. citizenship for most children born in the United States in a major setback for his immigration agenda.
www.foxnews.com
The ruling is a major setback for Trump, who made curbing birthright citizenship a key part of his immigration agenda. The president called the decision "too bad for our Country" and said Congress "can easily make it up" with legislation prepared for this outcome.
" No long and unwieldy Constitutional Amendment is necessary! Congress should start TODAY to work on ending expensive and unfair to our Country, Birthright Citizenship," Trump posted on Truth Social. "They will have my Complete and Total Support!"
Just read the case and Justice Harlan's dissent and you will find the strong arguments as to why Wong was incorrectly decided -- American law should not be premised on serfdom.
And I love it so. His cult will not know how to act when dementia don continues to go downhill.
I saw in another thread people saying how this SCOTUS would somehow give Trump the chance to run for another term. It's a not an issue. He'll never make it to 2029.
JUST IN: Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas FUMES at the majority upholding birthright citizenship for illegals — saying the 14th Amendment was CLEARLY made for “FREED SLAVES”It’s exactly what President Trump said.
Thomas says the constitution does NOT support birthright citizenship for these foreign invaders.
NAILED IT. He previously destroyed the lie of progressivism, which has infiltrated our system to facilitate this invasion
This is so massively stupid! Drumpf reference to the Supreme Court upholding the constitution of the United States of America is in no way a victory for another country. Doesn't surprise me about the cult though, says more about their intelligence than anything else.
The absurd hypotheticals these nuts come up with to justify their anti-constitutional views.
You're talking about creating a new class of people in this country that generation after generation have no citizenship rights.
If the 4 Supreme Ct Justices today had an additional justice with their views in the 1870's maybe like half the present-day country wouldn't have citizenship?
Even per the extremely reactionary courts of the late 19th and early 20th century the plain meaning of the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment was taken as a given.
Dude, I mean do you support the constitution or not?
You're not making any kind of relevant argument here.
Go amend the constitution if you don't like it.
Don't you dare call them Nazi's libturds.
Who had "forced sterilization" on their MAGA bingo card?
Exactly — and it proves the point.
Native Americans were born here and subject to our laws, yet excluded from citizenship because they owed allegiance to their tribes, not the US.
The 1870 Senate Judiciary Committee said it plainly: the 14th Amendment had “no effect whatever” on tribal status.
Birth plus presence was never the test, it was always Allegiance.
Im pissed over this.
SCOTUS just declared America the planet's official whorehouse maternity ward ... come on in, you illegal shitbags and foreign parasites, drop a kid on our soil and your spawn gets full citizenship!
Roberts and that backstabbing jackass Barrett joined the liberal traitors in this disgusting betrayal. **** them. These spineless "conservatives" sold us out harder than a cheap *****.
Clarence Thomas unloaded a 91-page nuke exposing this as the constitutional horseshit it is. The rest of these worthless robes can rot. Our grandkids will spit on their graves while we clean up this treasonous mess.
Disgusting doesn't cut it ... it's a ******* knife in the back of our ancestors. We have to fix this ourselves before these invaders overrun everything. No more Mr. Nice Guy.
SCOTUS just declared America the planet's official whorehouse maternity ward ... come on in, you illegal shitbags and foreign parasites, drop a kid on our soil and your spawn gets full citizenship!
Roberts and that backstabbing jackass Barrett joined the liberal traitors in this disgusting betrayal. **** them. These spineless "conservatives" sold us out harder than a cheap *****.
Clarence Thomas unloaded a 91-page nuke exposing this as the constitutional horseshit it is. The rest of these worthless robes can rot. Our grandkids will spit on their graves while we clean up this treasonous mess.
Disgusting doesn't cut it ... it's a ******* knife in the back of our ancestors. We have to fix this ourselves before these invaders overrun everything. No more Mr. Nice Guy.
Purely from a legal perspective, my problem with Roberts' opinion is that he essentially rewrote Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to read that children born in the United States to anyone ARE subject to its jurisdiction and are therefore citizens. The plain text is that there's something else needed besides merely being born in America (or, more specifically, the United States, which legally is different from the American territories). That's why it says "AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof" [emphasis added]. But Roberts makes it into a tautology. I am born here, therefore I am subject to its jurisdiction.
Yes, he further goes on to explain through English Common Law that being present in a territory therefore means you are subject to its jurisdiction, but that's just furthering the tautology and not explaining why the authors of the 14th would insert "AND subject to...." if they thought it was self-evident.
To sum it up —
The Supreme Court of the United States has now given its seal of approval for foreign adversaries to send pregnant women to the US either illegally, or on short term Visas, to give birth to US citizens … who will then return with their parents to the parents’ nation of origin, and be raised as ideological enemies that will have the right to “vote by mail” in US elections for President once they turn 18 years old.
If you think no foreign government would consider this course of action, you have not been watching China do *exactly this* for the last 25 years
Dude, do you know anything about the Constitution or anything about the supreme Court or anything about supreme Court opinions or anything about serfdom. Have you read the original opinion? I have. Do you remember Bowers v Hardwick the 1986 case that was overruled about 10 or 15 years later dealing with prosecution of homosexual acts. Have you heard of Plessy v Ferguson which was overruled. Have you finished the sixth grade? Do you know who Justice Harlan is?
Typical ignorant, low information lefty.
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Most horrific Supreme Court decision in history. They are saying a Muslim terrorist who breaks into USA illegally...or even legally...has a baby with his wife in the week he is here to mass murder 10,000 Americans...that baby is an instant US citizen...and now his parents get welfare & food stamps & 1,000 other govt programs forever more...because they used a baby as anchor. John Roberts & Amy Coney Barrett- go f**k yourselves.
It would have to go to scotus again.
Read the Kavanaugh concurrence
“In my view, the Executive Order does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment. But the Order does contravene a federal statute, 8 USC 1401(a). Congress could — consistent with the Fourteenth Amenedment — amend 1401(a) or other use enact new legislation establishing exceptions to birthright citizenship for children born to foreign citizens unlawfully or temporarily in the country. But Congress has not yet done so.”
Read the Kavanaugh concurrence
“In my view, the Executive Order does not violate the Fourteenth Amendment. But the Order does contravene a federal statute, 8 USC 1401(a). Congress could — consistent with the Fourteenth Amenedment — amend 1401(a) or other use enact new legislation establishing exceptions to birthright citizenship for children born to foreign citizens unlawfully or temporarily in the country. But Congress has not yet done so.”