57th and 16th in recruiting. Let that sink in.

[blacklistedbully]

I agree with a niche offense which is why I loved Coach Leach. There are plenty of athletes in the Southeast to run a multiple style offense. No reason we couldn’t have several packages with diffferent skill players at QB. Think of all the QB’s turned WR, RB, CB, safety and LBer. We could keep them at QB, one run option, another spread and another wishbone. Hell, run two teams of linemen. We would still win the same number of games or more and be interesting to watch. We might even build a traditional team spirit by letting the Mississippi kids play their high school positions. I always wanted to see Derek Pegues have a few plays running ball at QB.

For at least a couple of years I literally advocated for, or at least suggested having two offenses...the Air Raid, then a traditional run-heavy triple-option, perhaps using 2nd-teamers on the TO O-line.

Force every defense that faces us to prepare for both in 1 week's time. While great athletes can defend either with time, I doubt there are many, if any who could be ready to face both in that 1 week. The TO would not require our best athletes to be effective, especially against teams with so little time to prepare.

That could still be our Ace-up-our-sleeve if we could pull it off.

And now, with NIL and the ridiculous transfer rules, it makes little sense for us to worry about "developing" very many players, so go get some guys to run the TO who are good, but don't have to be great. They are more likely to stay, which means they would be more likely to improve year-over-year in that system.

We wouldn't need to spend big NIL $ on them, thus allowing us to use those $ for the premium guys we'd need for the Air Raid.

 

[CoastTrash]

will we allow the same folks to make the hire???

 

[OG Goat Holder]

For at least a couple of years I literally advocated for, or at least suggested having two offenses...the Air Raid, then a traditional run-heavy triple-option, perhaps using 2nd-teamers on the TO O-line.

Force every defense that faces us to prepare for both in 1 week's time. While great athletes can defend either with time, I doubt there are many, if any who could be ready to face both in that 1 week. The TO would not require our best athletes to be effective, especially against teams with so little time to prepare.

That could still be our Ace-up-our-sleeve if we could pull it off.

And now, with NIL and the ridiculous transfer rules, it makes little sense for us to worry about "developing" very many players, so go get some guys to run the TO who are good, but don't have to be great. They are more likely to stay, which means they would be more likely to improve year-over-year in that system.

We wouldn't need to spend big NIL $ on them, thus allowing us to use those $ for the premium guys we'd need for the Air Raid.

Develop defense only.

 

[DawgsNCowboys87]

Stupid baseball program ruining everything

Your being obviously sarcastic right.. or I hope bc I def laughed at this.

 

[Bulldawg77]

But @Bulldawg77 say…..

Let’s see. It’s June we have our biggest weekend for instate visits this weekend and we just picked up a four star RB this past weekend. And signing day is in December
Money isn’t the issue, but if you want to go all out and spend that money to get HS kids to commit then you and most on this here FREE board don’t understand the landscape of recruiting.
Our recruiting is getting better each week and will continue to as we get to Dec.
As for you GOAT Pat and 85, you all couldn’t even name a player or a recruit currently. Hell yall three mental midgets couldn’t name the coaching staff. And you GOAT, you crying and criticizing every single thing about the program while sitting on your wallet and sitting on your couch in the 047…

 

[She Mate Me]

Then do it…. Go ahead and care less, bc I couldn’t care less

Conceivably I could care less I guess, but I digress…

 

[maroontide06]

11/1/26

Shmuley are you referring to the 46th anniversary of State 6, Bama 3? Do you expect something to happen before, on, or after this date?

 

[ForestryDawgMSU]

I'm hard on him but honestly, high school recruiting classes are almost pointless at this point. 80% of them will not be around in 4 years. What's the solution? No clue.

Lebby needs to pretty much just focus on the trenches when it comes to recruiting highschool players and it seems like he hasn’t really been doing that which is very odd. With the portal you’ll always be able to find good skill position players but you need the OL and DL to come from highschool mainly

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

For at least a couple of years I literally advocated for, or at least suggested having two offenses...the Air Raid, then a traditional run-heavy triple-option, perhaps using 2nd-teamers on the TO O-line.

Force every defense that faces us to prepare for both in 1 week's time. While great athletes can defend either with time, I doubt there are many, if any who could be ready to face both in that 1 week. The TO would not require our best athletes to be effective, especially against teams with so little time to prepare.

That could still be our Ace-up-our-sleeve if we could pull it off.

And now, with NIL and the ridiculous transfer rules, it makes little sense for us to worry about "developing" very many players, so go get some guys to run the TO who are good, but don't have to be great. They are more likely to stay, which means they would be more likely to improve year-over-year in that system.

We wouldn't need to spend big NIL $ on them, thus allowing us to use those $ for the premium guys we'd need for the Air Raid.

That sounds good in theory, but we don't have enough good players for one offense, much less two. Plus there's the coaches and fields needed for all of that extra practice.

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

That sounds good in theory, but we don't have enough good players for one offense, much less two. Plus there's the coaches and fields needed for all of that extra practice.

There are two sides to a field, so two offenses can practice. We also have two fields. Players for the running offense don't have to be the best players, but we've all seen that slippery rb in high school who is just too slow to pick up a big time offer. Or maybe the skinny kid who just has that IT factor at QB. We don't even have to worry about grades anymore it seems. I remember a guy I knew from my high school that was the best O lineman I've ever seen in person. Jackie turned him down because he was 6'. South Carolina signed him and he started. Measurables aren't everything.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

For at least a couple of years I literally advocated for, or at least suggested having two offenses...the Air Raid, then a traditional run-heavy triple-option, perhaps using 2nd-teamers on the TO O-line.

There are two sides to a field, so two offenses can practice. We also have two fields. Players for the running offense don't have to be the best players, but we've all seen that slippery rb in high school who is just too slow to pick up a big time offer. Or maybe the skinny kid who just has that IT factor at QB. We don't even have to worry about grades anymore it seems. I remember a guy I knew from my high school that was the best O lineman I've ever seen in person. Jackie turned him down because he was 6'. South Carolina signed him and he started. Measurables aren't everything.

I think you may be asking a bit much to have two different schemes of linemen. Many years, you're doing well just to have competent starters and a few backups. NIL/portal makes it worse than ever too. So, if you go niche, it has to be something where you can point towards the NFL or winning.

With a pass happy offense, you can attract talent at QB and WR and tell them you'll prepare them for the NFL. Even if it doesn't fully translate, you'll get them a shot.

With a run happy offense, you won't get the best players at QB and WR. But it's also easier to implement. You have to hope to get lucky on a QB who is intrigued by being able to get on the field and showcase his talent.....and hope he passes adequately.

 

[GloryDawg]

Portal last season was not that good. Not a lot good.

Let’s see. It’s June we have our biggest weekend for instate visits this weekend and we just picked up a four star RB this past weekend. And signing day is in December
Money isn’t the issue, but if you want to go all out and spend that money to get HS kids to commit then you and most on this here FREE board don’t understand the landscape of recruiting.
Our recruiting is getting better each week and will continue to as we get to Dec.
As for you GOAT Pat and 85, you all couldn’t even name a player or a recruit currently. Hell yall three mental midgets couldn’t name the coaching staff. And you GOAT, you crying and criticizing every single thing about the program while sitting on your wallet and sitting on your couch in the 047…

I am an advocate of spending money in the portal and not highschooler but as slim of a picking the Portal seem to have been last season I am starting to think go pay highly rated highschoolers and pay them enough money to stay and get developed.

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

There are two sides to a field, so two offenses can practice. We also have two fields. Players for the running offense don't have to be the best players, but we've all seen that slippery rb in high school who is just too slow to pick up a big time offer. Or maybe the skinny kid who just has that IT factor at QB. We don't even have to worry about grades anymore it seems. I remember a guy I knew from my high school that was the best O lineman I've ever seen in person. Jackie turned him down because he was 6'. South Carolina signed him and he started. Measurables aren't everything.

And both of those two fields are currently being used most of the time during practice, if not, why have them?. Plus with limited scholarships, there's no way to have enough players decent enough to run two offenses. No decent player is going to come when you tell them even if they are a starter on one of the two offenses, you will still only get limited playing time some weeks. And there's no way to have enough coaches for two offenses and a defense.

 

[patdog]

For at least a couple of years I literally advocated for, or at least suggested having two offenses...the Air Raid, then a traditional run-heavy triple-option, perhaps using 2nd-teamers on the TO O-line.

Force every defense that faces us to prepare for both in 1 week's time. While great athletes can defend either with time, I doubt there are many, if any who could be ready to face both in that 1 week. The TO would not require our best athletes to be effective, especially against teams with so little time to prepare.

That could still be our Ace-up-our-sleeve if we could pull it off.

And now, with NIL and the ridiculous transfer rules, it makes little sense for us to worry about "developing" very many players, so go get some guys to run the TO who are good, but don't have to be great. They are more likely to stay, which means they would be more likely to improve year-over-year in that system.

We wouldn't need to spend big NIL $ on them, thus allowing us to use those $ for the premium guys we'd need for the Air Raid.

That’s completely unworkable for a lot of reasons. We have enough trouble recruiting enough players to field one decent offense, much less two. There's no time to install and practice two different offenses and be any good at either of them. And we'd have to have two of every offensive assistant coach position on staff. It would be a huge disaster.

 

[patdog]

Is Nash Morgan going to play safety?

I have no idea. But he's a guy no matter what his * rating is or how good he projected to be (or not), we absolutely have to sign. That family is very solidly Mississippi State and we need to keep it that way.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Portal last season was not that good. Not a lot good.

I am an advocate of spending money in the portal and not highschooler but as slim of a picking the Portal seem to have been last season I am starting to think go pay highly rated highschoolers and pay them enough money to stay and get developed.

The ranking discredit your take.

https://www.on3.com/college/mississippi-state-bulldogs/football/2026/transfers/

We also retained everyone we wanted to keep. That’s also underrated aspect of our NIL

 

[GloryDawg]

The ranking discredit your take.

https://www.on3.com/college/mississippi-state-bulldogs/football/2026/transfers/

We also retained everyone we wanted to keep. That’s also underrated aspect of our NIL

My take was the number of quality guys in the portal. Not what we got.

 

[BIGDAWG44]

I have no idea. But he's a guy no matter what his * rating is or how good he projected to be (or not), we absolutely have to sign. That family is very solidly Mississippi State and we need to keep it that way.

I agree.

 

[The Peeper]

Our recruiting is getting better each week and will continue to as we get to Dec.

Has that hasn't happened in the last two recruiting/signing cycles, because if so, somebody forgot to report it and it hasn't helped on the field

 

[patdog]

Has that hasn't happened in the last two recruiting/signing cycles, because if so, somebody forgot to report it and it hasn't helped on the field

Yeah but this year is different. We’re winning 7 games minimum. With our 3 position players who made even a 4th team all sec selection. **

 

[gtowndawg]

The ranking discredit your take.

https://www.on3.com/college/mississippi-state-bulldogs/football/2026/transfers/

We also retained everyone we wanted to keep. That’s also underrated aspect of our NIL

Spending NIL funds retainining proven players is a solid strategy for us, no problem with that at all.

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

I hear a lot of can’t do attitude. Of course we can’t and I guess we never will because we do the same stuff everyone other SEC team does with less resources. We do have a 2nd and 3rd string. Some are just young. Let them run a triple option for 15 plays a game or goal line and see how the team pulls together and how the fans get excited. It also builds support from the player’s high school. I remember when we had the Mad Dawgs that had walk ons on the kickoff team. I know there’s a lot of difference between a kickoff team and an offense, but it was great marketing and the fans bought in.

 

[maroonmania]

So, basically we are setting all kinds of records under Selmon raising money from boosters but our recruiting problem both in HS and the portal is we don't have enough money to pay what we need for recruits? So seemingly, no matter how much money we raise or what the boosters do its never enough. Maybe we just need to hang it up.

Or maybe a lot of the problem is that Lebby and staff are just not very good recruiters on top of the fact that they don't have a very good track record to recruit from. Lots of issues when you have a guy learning to be a HC in the SEC.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I hear a lot of can’t do attitude. Of course we can’t and I guess we never will because we do the same stuff everyone other SEC team does with less resources. We do have a 2nd and 3rd string. Some are just young. Let them run a triple option for 15 plays a game or goal line and see how the team pulls together and how the fans get excited. It also builds support from the player’s high school. I remember when we had the Mad Dawgs that had walk ons on the kickoff team. I know there’s a lot of difference between a kickoff team and an offense, but it was great marketing and the fans bought in.

Lot of difference in can't and being realistic.

When I talk about these things, I'm looking for something that lasts long-term, or at least until we've had sustained success that fundamentally alters the program. We have been close.......Jackie's and Mullen's path was about as good as you can get. Jackie kinda experimented with odd offenses, JUCOs, etc. and then Mullen benefitted from us finally learning what we needed - an offensive developer who prioritized defense, and a systematic, strategic recruiter. Of course, we really got lucky by keeping him as long as did, but we were on the edge of changing the program permanently. But he left, we made a bad hire in Moorhead, and that was that. Leach kept it afloat but his death followed by idiotic decisions have us here. And now we're in the NIL/portal era, which changes the formula yet again.

So what I'm advocating for is not some short term pump up video. It's a long term set of foundational principles that make decision-making easy. Makes coach hiring easy. Makes recruiting easy. At least as far as how to do it. Execution is always tough but we'll at least have something to shoot for, instead of just arguing among ourselves chasing the flavor of the hour and spouting off shlt from each generations golden era (you know, the 1-2 years per 15 years when we were actually good). The first step is to stop comparing to, and stop trying to be, Ole Miss. I'm not saying what we can't do what they do at times but every decision we currently make is somehow a reaction to what they do.

You'd think after all these years that our fans would realize that most of what we've done hasn't worked. And what did work was mostly luck and an accident. Nothing we've ever done has been intentional. The closest we've ever gotten to that was Cohen, right or wrong, trying to transition us to a passing offense. At least he had a plan, and you can see how the plan operates over time. Hired Moorhead, didn't work, but he'd installed a passing offense. Made it easier for Leach. And if we'd kept the Air Raid or some variant after he died and committed to it, maybe Arnett is still here, and so forth. Coordinator leaves, you replace him. If Arnett leaves, you replace him with similar concepts, offensive or defensive.

 

[85Bears]

Lot of difference in can't and being realistic.

When I talk about these things, I'm looking for something that lasts long-term, or at least until we've had sustained success that fundamentally alters the program. We have been close.......Jackie's and Mullen's path was about as good as you can get. Jackie kinda experimented with odd offenses, JUCOs, etc. and then Mullen benefitted from us finally learning what we needed - an offensive developer who prioritized defense, and a systematic, strategic recruiter. Of course, we really got lucky by keeping him as long as did, but we were on the edge of changing the program permanently. But he left, we made a bad hire in Moorhead, and that was that. Leach kept it afloat but his death followed by idiotic decisions have us here. And now we're in the NIL/portal era, which changes the formula yet again.

So what I'm advocating for is not some short term pump up video. It's a long term set of foundational principles that make decision-making easy. Makes coach hiring easy. Makes recruiting easy. At least as far as how to do it. Execution is always tough but we'll at least have something to shoot for, instead of just arguing among ourselves chasing the flavor of the hour and spouting off shlt from each generations golden era (you know, the 1-2 years per 15 years when we were actually good). The first step is to stop comparing to, and stop trying to be, Ole Miss. I'm not saying what we can't do what they do at times but every decision we currently make is somehow a reaction to what they do.

You'd think after all these years that our fans would realize that most of what we've done hasn't worked. And what did work was mostly luck and an accident. Nothing we've ever done has been intentional. The closest we've ever gotten to that was Cohen, right or wrong, trying to transition us to a passing offense. At least he had a plan, and you can see how the plan operates over time. Hired Moorhead, didn't work, but he'd installed a passing offense. Made it easier for Leach. And if we'd kept the Air Raid or some variant after he died and committed to it, maybe Arnett is still here, and so forth. Coordinator leaves, you replace him. If Arnett leaves, you replace him with similar concepts, offensive or defensive.

Another factor here, this program has some just flat out dumb boosters who are out of touch, like fifty years out of touch. leach told them no access, stay in the stands so they got butthurt and burned the program down with their stupidity. Ole Miss has some smart people in their athletic dept and they don’t let Jim Bob who owns a furniture store change the offense or fire the coaching staff. Reap what you sow.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Is Lebby on drugs or what? One 4 star. If he thinks he can win in the SEC with these kind of classes, he's nuts. I don't remember our recruiting classes in the modern age being so mediocre as Lebby's.

So long as we get a few signing day hat switches we good***

 

[horshack.sixpack]

So shouldn’t we figure out how to make that work via some niche? What’s the easiest to do, find a niche or just try to buy the talent necessary to win conventionally?

Wing T

 

[patdog]

Another factor here, this program has some just flat out dumb boosters who are out of touch, like fifty years out of touch. leach told them no access, stay in the stands so they got butthurt and burned the program down with their stupidity. Ole Miss has some smart people in their athletic dept and they don’t let Jim Bob who owns a furniture store change the offense or fire the coaching staff. Reap what you sow.

We lead the world in stupid backwards thinking major boosters. Hopefully that’s slowly starting to change.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

We lead the world in stupid backwards thinking major boosters. Hopefully that’s slowly starting to change.

You’ll know it’s bad if we start pining for Mr kick rocks!

 

[M_over_S]

You didn’t hear? They are all diamonds in the rough.

 

[Bulldawg77]

Another factor here, this program has some just flat out dumb boosters who are out of touch, like fifty years out of touch. leach told them no access, stay in the stands so they got butthurt and burned the program down with their stupidity. Ole Miss has some smart people in their athletic dept and they don’t let Jim Bob who owns a furniture store change the offense or fire the coaching staff. Reap what you sow.

Why do you make shite up and post it like it’s the truth?

 

[85Bears]

 

[Dawg84]

If it was going to happen, the portal should have started in 2014 when we had it going on!

 

[Bulldawg77]

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Never argue with someone who lies to make themselves look smart.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Why do you make shite up and post it like it’s the truth?

It’s code. I’ll translate:

Another factor here, this program has some just flat out dumb boosters who are out of touch, like fifty years out of touch.

We have boosters who are not cognizant about current trends in football.

leach told them no access, stay in the stands so they got butthurt and burned the program down with their stupidity.

Translation— Leach had a proven idea that didn’t need uneducated pre-*******

Ole Miss has some smart people in their athletic dept and they don’t let Jim Bob who owns a furniture store change the offense or fire the coaching staff. Reap what you sow.

Ole Miss does what we can’t do because they can more successfully argue elite, special treatment while we are the People’s University which means we have to deal with the People… and apropos of that have you read the latest Mississippi Brain Drain thread here?

 

[Hail State]

It’s on the administration at this point. And then us fans for not raising holy hell after he wasn’t fired at the end of last year. In the NIL and portal era you cannot afford to let someone as unqualified as Lebby hang around. At this point we can only hope he’s fired mid year and we get ahead on the coaching carousel.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Another factor here, this program has some just flat out dumb boosters who are out of touch, like fifty years out of touch. leach told them no access, stay in the stands so they got butthurt and burned the program down with their stupidity. Ole Miss has some smart people in their athletic dept and they don’t let Jim Bob who owns a furniture store change the offense or fire the coaching staff. Reap what you sow.

We have boosters who are not cognizant about current trends in football.

We are Auburn with less money and less accessible population.

But every bit of the dysfunction. Except for the baseball program.

It's tried to creep in there too, over the years. From our older generation obsessing over Polk, to Templetoes not moving us forward to keep us in the black, to the older guys not liking Cohen because Polk said so.

 

[DoggieDaddy13]

While this is clearly a Lebby issue....

All you guys keep acting like we got all the money we need to recruit against the rest of the SEC.

Bullashit!

Just because it's more than we've had, don't mean it's close to enough to compete to get recruits to Starkville.

We must have more money!

 

[Bulldawg77]

So much wrong with this thread. I think some of yall sit on your wallets and day dream about **** that’s not true. The come on here and ***** about what we can’t do. Y’all go out of your way to make things worse than they are in your collective minds. It’s sad, it’s irresponsible and pathetic the bull **** you all come up with.

 

[Maroon Eagle]

Y’all go out of your way to make things worse than they are in your collective minds.

You must not be an OG Mississippi State fan because…

It’s sad, it’s irresponsible and pathetic the bull **** you come up with.