European fans when they return home from the World Cup: “we have to work hard, the kids need to study and we have to do everything we can to send them to an SEC school. The culture!”
OT: College enrollment and financial issues?
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I am sure Germans will pass up free tuition for Mizzou, LOL.
There's probably better English on German campuses.
There's probably better English on German campuses.
right!
some of the comments are funny
I am still at a loss why anyone would send a kid to Mizzou over ucsd or irvine but I do understand the 'college experience' but that can be done at much better schools
$95k a year and they can’t get anyone to go.
I met someone that is attending Cuse because she accepted a scholarship there but already has $100,000 student loan waiting for her when she graduates. I guess it was a partial scholarship or only for the first year.
Ivy League price tag for an absolutely mediocre school outside of their Comm School. If they need that price tag, be Ivy or at least Ivy Lite like NW or Duke or Johns Hopkins for crying out loud.
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Having spent time on some of the CA campuses...I cannot fathom leaving there unless it was an Ivy League or similar, maybe maybe a Michigan or UNC or UVA.
I would be stunned if a party at Mizzou was better than Santa Barbara. Also, fewer places in the continental US more beautiful. I guess no sports. Then you have UCLA or Berkeley. And you can always be a t shirt fan of USC, I saw plenty when we played them a few years ago.
Missouri over the walking wine trail. I can't lol
I think this is going to be a thing at most major private schools outside of the top 50 or so that don't have some kind of outstanding programs. Eg, law at BC and BU, or medicine at Rochester, etc.
What's the rationale at going to Cuse, over say, Binghamton, for a fraction of the cost? Sports? Not academics, not grad school. Partying probably the same. And it's going to be the same for kids in the surrounding states including here.
The cost is just not tenable in the current economy, forgetting even some parents pushing their kids away from college or the Southern obsession.
Stay on topic, you’re getting off the rails. Mizzou over ucsd was the conversation and a big reason is because it’s 30 ish minutes from home. Wouldn’t be my choice, but the family that made it is very happy
Syracuse began to plunge in the rankings following Covid. At the same time, Rutgers shot up.
Binghamton is now a comparable option to Syracuse academically. And for NYers wanting to pay in state tuition, Stony Brook is a better option than Binghamton, and a better option than Syracuse academically.
Binghamton is now a comparable option to Syracuse academically. And for NYers wanting to pay in state tuition, Stony Brook is a better option than Binghamton, and a better option than Syracuse academically.
It's definitely an issue for private schools. In NJ, Stevens should be ok with its strong outcomes due to the engineering programs, and heavy tech focus, even in their business school programs. They also have an ideal location and offer 23 D3 sports which helps attract students, but they will also need to find more $ for scholarships, increase enrollment and be fiscally responsible with expenses. SHU also probably fine. Some other NJ private schools, like Drew, Monmouth, Rider, FDU may run out of options.
Stony Brook may be a better option academically, but the big knock against it is that it's a suitcase school without big time sports or much social life.
From Gemini:
Here is the single consolidated list of major four-year colleges and universities in New Jersey, ranked from highest to lowest by total endowment size.
The Takeaway: While Princeton holds a massive, multi-billion-dollar global fund, public institutions like Rutgers and Rowan maintain substantial financial backing to support local infrastructure and research. The smaller regional state schools sit at the bottom because they rely directly on New Jersey annual budget appropriations rather than investment payouts.
Here is the single consolidated list of major four-year colleges and universities in New Jersey, ranked from highest to lowest by total endowment size.
| Rank | School | Total Endowment Value | Type |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Princeton University | $36.4 Billion | Private |
| 2 | Rutgers University (System-wide) | $2.35 Billion | Public |
| 3 | Rowan University | $487 Million | Public |
| 4 | Stevens Institute of Technology | $387 Million | Private |
| 5 | Seton Hall University | $369 Million | Private |
| 6 | New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) | $179 Million | Public |
| 7 | Monmouth University | $163 Million | Private |
| 8 | Drew University | $126 Million | Private |
| 9 | Fairleigh Dickinson University (FDU) | $100 Million | Private |
| 10 | The College of New Jersey (TCNJ) | $85 Million | Public |
| 11 | Montclair State University | $78 Million | Public |
| 12 | Stockton University | $52 Million | Public |
| 13 | Kean University | $44 Million | Public |
| 14 | William Paterson University | $31 Million | Public |
| 15 | Caldwell University | $22 Million | Private |
| 16 | Centenary University | $19 Million | Private |
| 17 | Ramapo College of New Jersey | $18 Million | Public |
| 18 | New Jersey City University (NJCU) | $11 Million | Public |
Long Island kids have to be even more likely to go OOS than NJ kids. It's Stony Brook, Hofstra, LIU, and...not much else unless they are smart enough for Columbia or NYU or want to go upstate.
RU up to $2.35B in endowments in 12 years of B1G membership when I believe they were sub $1B prior to B1G entry. They likely will be over $2.5B after FY26 ends. Rowan probably cracks $500M after FY26 and IMO are firmly established as the 2nd tier public school in NJ. What are Rider's numbers?
Bright kids from Long Island go to Stony Brook because it is the cheapest and quickest way to get a medical degree or a degree in a STEM field.
These kids don't care about big time sports or social life and many were accepted to Ivies but parents couldn't or wouldn't pay.
Fifty four valedictorians and salutatorians from the last two local high school classes chose Stony Brook. Ivy League got 120. ACC, B1G, SEC combined got 110. Rutgers got zero. Rutgers can do a better job recruiting out of state brainiacs.
Stevens is treading water. NJIT has closed the gap.
Edit - Corrected ACC number from 84 to 76
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Gemini overlooked Rider the 1st time so I had to ask again.
Here is the updated, consolidated list of four-year institutions in New Jersey ranked from highest to lowest by total endowment size, with Rider University added into the ranking based on its most recent valuation of approximately $89.6 million.
| Rank | School | Total Endowment Value | Type |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Princeton University | $36.4 Billion | Private |
| 2 | Rutgers University (System-wide) | $2.35 Billion | Public |
| 3 | Rowan University | $487 Million | Public |
| 4 | Stevens Institute of Technology | $387 Million | Private |
| 5 | Seton Hall University | $369 Million | Private |
| 6 | New Jersey Institute of Technology (NJIT) | $179 Million | Public |
| 7 | Monmouth University | $163 Million | Private |
| 8 | Drew University | $126 Million | Private |
| 9 | Fairleigh Dickinson University (FDU) | $100 Million | Private |
| 10 | Rider University | $89.6 Million | Private |
| 11 | The College of New Jersey (TCNJ) | $85 Million | Public |
| 12 | Montclair State University | $78 Million | Public |
| 13 | Stockton University | $52 Million | Public |
| 14 | Kean University | $44 Million | Public |
| 15 | William Paterson University | $31 Million | Public |
| 16 | Caldwell University | $22 Million | Private |
| 17 | Centenary University | $19 Million | Private |
| 18 | Ramapo College of New Jersey | $18 Million | Public |
| 19 | New Jersey City University (NJCU) | $11 Million | Public |
thanks
looks like we need Not's idea of offering valedictorians in state access/price
Not free but damned cheap. My nephew did a semester abroad in Germany about 10 years ago. My sister and brother in law were the thrilled with the cost.
Very well regarded in the South. Spectacular campus and fun city. But not in the same academic league as all those other schools
You are arguing with confirmation bias personified.
Don't tell him, but one of the most esteemed professors of Ceramic Engineering at Rutgers back in day had a PhD from University of Missouri!!
I don't have the time right now. Just have seen this time and time again.
EDIT: Here (biased):
Why the new "U.S. News" rankings are flawed (opinion)
The new methodology downgrades measures of academic quality while relying on misleading metrics for affordability and career outcomes, Daniel Diermeier writes.
and here:
Method or Madness? Inside the USNWR College Rankings
Method or Madness? Inside the USNWR College Rankings
www.academia.edu
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Stay on topic, you’re getting off the rails. Mizzou over ucsd was the conversation and a big reason is because it’s 30 ish minutes from home. Wouldn’t be my choice, but the family that made it is very happy
I assume La Jolla is the same thing, but personally I prefer Santa Barbara. I do like Gaslamp though. Any where in Cali along the coast from TJ to SF is going to be a blast IMO, 10x that of Mizzou.
Idk if Bing < SB applies to the liberal arts. Most of the lawyers I know with SUNY degrees are from Bing. Maybe that is changing now.
I believe Germany is back to free tuition now. They had free tuition, charged people, then back to free.
As an EU citizen myself now there's a lot of good English language options there. Plus, guarantees my kid stays an RU fan, lol.
Anybody can find a reason to quibble and disagree with the any ranking list.I don't have the time right now. Just have seen this time and time again.
EDIT: Here (biased):
Why the new "U.S. News" rankings are flawed (opinion)
The new methodology downgrades measures of academic quality while relying on misleading metrics for affordability and career outcomes, Daniel Diermeier writes.www.insidehighered.com
and here:
Method or Madness? Inside the USNWR College Rankings
Method or Madness? Inside the USNWR College Rankingswww.academia.edu
The USNWR methodology makes sense. No single factor makes up more than 20%. The two factors with the biggest weights are peer assessment and graduation rate which are both important indicators and hard to game. Plus, the time series goes back to 2004.
And I am sure we both know talented lawyers from law schools outside the top 100 (TTT if they are still using that, lol). Would you still recommend kids go to those places over a top 100? I wouldn't. And I also know total dunces from the t14. Should we use that logic in reverse?
And same idea with the USNWR- though it's considered 10x more biblical with law schools. There's no perfect metric but USNWR did take off the table the "prestige" ranking that Northeastern, UConn and Clemson were using to game it (giving themselves the highest and Harvard the lowest score).
Rider is about to be passed by TCNJ and Montclair State. I'm willing to bet within 5 years they will cease to exist...either merged with someone like TCNJ or close outright. A 4th tier at best private if not 5th tier that has poor academics like Rider is not long for this academic world with their price tag.
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We should aim to be #1 choice for the NYC/LI/Westchester Shop Rite line. I knew some NYC kids at RU but we can up anx expand those numbers.
Seems like they are facing the same phenomenon, imagine being a valedictorian and going to USCe...incoming: Beautiful campus, SEC sports, Southern "culture", amazing turf management, blah blah.
The salutatorian at my HS went to Brandeis for a scholarship and people thought that was aiming low. And now it's another private school that is in financial problems.
People tend to believe what they want to believe. It's like watching their favorite news channel. USNWR is probably the most cited source for rankings, but it does not make it the best. And frankly, none of the general university ranking matters a bit for a student in a particular major who picks a particular school because that school is strong in their chosen major. And the reality is that a graduate's success depends more on the individual student, their parenting and their chosen major as a fit for them than some silly University ranking. Rutgers has several highly ranked programs. Computer science is one of them. I know this from personal experience. Absolutely stellar reputation.
With that said, if my kid was admitted to Georgia Tech, Carnegie Mellon, Cal Berkeley and Rutgers for Computer Science, and we had to pay more tuition at those schools, probably would opt for any of those schools and pay another $2-300K for those schools.