I could see maybe a zoom call, but I see no way that he would leave his team twice the week they’re hosting supers to talk to another AD. Forbes is basically the Roy Williams of our Baseball program. He’s a Tar Heel through and through and I’m not sure he’d leave even if the Dodgers came calling.
Forbes ?? Candidate for SC
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Yeah that makes sense and now we have to travel from coast to coast and North to South. For some of the teams with lots of players that has got to be expensive. I was really wondering how much of the cost was salaries and staff. Not that you can do much about that either. This thread underscores that.
Not my place at the moment. Maybe another time. I can say SC was prepared to make Forbes on of the highest paid coaches in America. Same with his staff and NIL. This was a full court press. Saying they had no shot or Forbes didn’t consider it is wrong.
As a football letterman I do take exception to the program being called a joke. You can advocate for more money for baseball without disparaging the programs that prop up baseball and every other program at this University that wouldn't exist without them.
Yeah and I think they just have bigger staffs that get paid well too.
The head coaches for lacrosse, soccer, tennis are probably making good money but their assistants not so much.
Scott Forbes Happy & Thriving at UNC
The sixth-year Tar Heel head coach has led his program to two College World Series and four Super Regionals during his tenure.
Not trying to call you out by any stretch, but in this new age of college sports I don't think we can ever assume a coach/key staff member is so much of a Tar Heel that they won't strongly entertain a significant offer from another school. Especially when that offer has potential for much higher staff compensation.
I don't anticipate Forbes leaving for SC and doubt he had "multiple meetings" with their AD the week of Supers.....but I also don't have an understanding of how far behind we may be vs. the big dogs in college baseball. I trust that Newmark will be very aggressive and proactive in making sure coaches like Forbes don't entertain other opportunities.
Seems Forbes leveraged this to get some more resources/commitment to baseball
Let’s freaking goScott Forbes Happy & Thriving at UNC
The sixth-year Tar Heel head coach has led his program to two College World Series and four Super Regionals during his tenure.www.on3.com
Given the current state of college sports, you're kind of not doing your job if you don't use whatever leverage you have to get the resources you believe you need. It doesn't matter how good of a coach Scott Forbes is, he can't achieve at the highest level if he can't keep guys like Caden Glauber on his roster.
It costs a lot to maintain successful programs. In 2024-25, baseball coaching staff/support staff salaries/bonuses totaled $2.5 million. Ticket and licensing revenue for baseball was $1.9 million. Those are the two main revenue drivers beyond contributions. Then you have additional expenses such as travel ($575k), equipment ($500k), facilities ($430k), etc, that just build up.
If history repeats itself, Forbes probably got increased funding, no longer reports to the AD, and is set to get a commitment from a promising South Carolina player in the transfer portal. Can only assume we will now lose in the final (joke)
BOOM! "Additional commitments in recent days....." sounds like Newmark and crew trying to stay in front of potential challenges. Love it.Scott Forbes Happy & Thriving at UNC
The sixth-year Tar Heel head coach has led his program to two College World Series and four Super Regionals during his tenure.
Obviously the Market says Forbes and Staff should make more given their excellence All for it
But like WBB it is "a shame" the basic Model for this two big Non Sports is that they will always lose $-mostly because of salaries . Sucess will always mean salaries outpace revenue.
And of course the SEC with their giant football revenue set this Market
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I mean by most accounts, the football program is a national laughing stock and has been since they hired Belichick.
Incorrect. We finance the buyout. The delta between the ACC vs Big10/SEC is so great that we will have more revenue every year the day we make the switch. The buyout will be a long term liability - just like the BlueZone.
I don’t expect a significant contribution to the buyout, but I wouldn’t be surprised if we got some help.
And we will add immediate value to every team in the conference once we join. It would be expansion malpractice for us to fail to consider competing offers from both conferences. And there are very few schools in that position. Maybe UVa. Even Notre Dame is likely just Big10 or nothing.
I am in total support of your comments But as a footnote , basketball contributes More to prop up other sports at UNC than Football-Well it is more or less a tie now
But we are pretty much a Unicorn in this fact
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I remember Roy mentioning on more than one occassion tht Basketball contributed more. Did find this-couple years old
In the final year of the pre-Bill Belichick era in Chapel Hill, UNC football generated $63.3 million in revenue and turned a profit of $14.2 million
The UNC men’s basketball team raked in $39.7 million in revenue and turned a profit of $22.9 million.
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He was the backup choice. SC was waiting for Forbes to say no.
That isn't at all what my post was about. I have never once complained about Sunday game times on these forums and love coming to them when we can make it.
I was simply stating that if you want to go up on ticket prices, there are some other factors to consider. Things that might make the games more or less attractive to the ticket holders, and that increasing demand (and thereby increasing ticket prices) might be aided by more attractive game times that more people might be able to attend. Increasing demand and attendance would certainly increase ticket prices and, as a result, revenue.
I made my response when a few people said that they'd gladly pay double the season ticket cost to help supplement baseball revenue. I was just pointing out that not everyone (including myself) would agree with that sentiment, and you might lose some season ticket holders for the reasons I gave. Changing ticket prices would directly impact attendance and revenue generation, so I fail to see the point you're trying to make by coming back after me with this.
they would be crazy not to hire him if he's interested. Great manager, has an amazing eye for talent and just knows how to coach.
Agreed.
This matches what I had heard, as well. Even though Forbes was a "UNC guy," so was Holbrook when Tanner hired him as an assistant to recruit against us. This whole thing made me very nervous. It would have sucked to see Forbes and the former UNC guys coaching down there. The old saying isn't money talks BS walks for no reason. Can't wait to hear Schnall announced officially.
Ironically, SC offer forced UNC to react and UNC baseball will be on significantly better footing moving forward.
You don’t really get any “benefits” besides knowing you are helping a good cause. You can give what you can. https://give.unc.edu/diamondheels
Only Forbes knows how seriously he ACTUALLY considered the offer. If it was truly to be the highest paid in college baseball, surely there was some genuine thought, but for some people money isn't more important than where your roots are. I feel (and this is just my opinion) that Forbes was willing to "seriously consider" the job to whatever extent was required to get the money to keep his coaches. But again actually leaving is a long, far, step from actually leaving.
I think we are parsing semantics. I do not doubt that SC would want to do any of the things you mentioned. But... by your suggestion, he turned down being one of the highest paid coaches for himself and his staff, and more NIL. WHY??? becuase it was never about money for a guy from Lee county being asked to move with only a few yrs til full state retirement to go live in Richlands county. He's not leaving.
I know he’s not leaving. I posted this morning he was staying. But to suggest the SC offer wasn’t heavily considered isn’t factual. And he didn’t just turn them down and get nothing in return. More details will come out in the coming weeks. I am not speculating on the matter.
We are still parsing. This is how the sausage is made. your sentence "he didn't just turn them down and get nothing".... is the key salient point. This is just how its done. And only his "heart" can tell if he seriously considered it. Saying he would listen to them does not mean his heart was about to go to SC. I appreciate what you are trying to share with us. And I appreciate the background you are giving us. I truly do. And if you've been here the last 25 yrs, you know "argument is not my style". I value what you bring. But he simply wasn't leaving.
I've done many many hirings and many many exit interviews, and many many
acquisition discussions. When speaking with employees I always tell them (coming here or leaving here) NEVER make a decision based solely upon money. And when companies have tried to buy me, I always tell them I will listen, and I do... but I already know that money will not be the decider. Clearly Forbes worked with the same view, as I expected he would. This world just seems to think that money is "the thing". And its just not.
Let me ask you a question. Let’s say UNC can’t get close to the money for his staff and they can’t significantly increase his NIL bucket. Do you think he turns down the SC offer?
Its a rhetorical question because anyone who was using knowledge of the business world, knowledge of the process, and the knowledge that Steve Newmark had already talked to Forbes about "the future"... would have known that UNC was GOING TO create a package that addressed those items. In a fantastical world where Steve Newmark was going to do nothing... Sure, we could have lost Forbes. But that world does not exist here. Forbes is from lee county, loves it where he is, and is a few yrs awway from full state retirement. Lets just say that SC offered him $2 million and UNC stuck and only offered 1 mill (even that is a false example). By sticking here till his state retirement... he's talking about an extra $100,000 a yr for the REST OF HIS LIFE. Plus healthcare. These are the hidden reasons that he was never leaving.
Possibly but, the poster indicated we should take $400K from football and then threw in basketball. It's as if some people didn't take an ECON class or managed a budget in their lives.
We're probably never going to be profitable in baseball and taking from those that drive revenue makes zero sense. I'm not advocating for the University cutting programs but having a fencing team (shout out to our recent National Champion) or a rowing team do absolutely nothing to support the athletic budget. I've been around Chapel Hill for 40 years of my life and I haven't once attended either of those sports and I doubt more than .01% of people on this board have either.
Your fallacy is that you think this negotiation was just about Forbes and his pay. If that was the case, I’d say you hit the nail on the head with your analysis. But there was more to it than that. There was staff and support salaries as well as NIL commitments. Forbes was just not thinking about himself. It was his people and the NIL. UNC had to cover all of that and it was no small feat. Again, I am not speculating here. I don’t expect you to take my word as an outsider, just offering what I know. Do with it what you will.
They are called non Revenue for a reason
BTW , Ackland loses money every year but we ain't gonna shut down the Art Museum
Personally I lived around Chapel Hill about 50 years and made it a point to go to a lot of national contender Non REv games Because I was loving the ticket prices lol