This one is the same result like all the others no reason to believe otherwise facts are facts!
Momcilovic predicted to return to college in a Kentucky vs. Louisville face off
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I hate Duke as much as you do, but it’d be hard to argue they are a blueblood with an asterisk. All their national titles are with one coach — that is true. But they did have nine elite eights aside from those that Coach K earned. That’s significant since coach K coached at Duke for 41 years. That doesn’t leave much time for success outside of him. For context that would be about 1/3 of the total of UK’s seasons as a program. Duke also has achieved 5 final fours that were not achieved by Coach K, two of those being national runner-ups. Duke is a blueblood with no asterisk to me. Anyone trying to be objective can see that. I still believe our history dwarfs theirs but honesty is honesty.
I agree. Not real impressed with their 25 million roster
I absolutely despise Puke and all the favoritism and media adulation they receive. As much as I hate to acknowledge it you are absolutely correct with this summary.
Milan wants to go the Yaxel Landenborg route and land on a team, win a title in a year, and move on to the league with a high pick. Louisville and St. John's make sense. This year's UK team, even with Mom, won't sniff a championship. I think most everyone fan agrees.
I don't see UL or St Johns being in any better position to do so with him than UK would be.
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You are wearing dark blue glasses if you don't think Louisville is better and deeper than UK at every position.
I don't Just start with the PG and Center
PG head to head, Diallo had better stats each time they played and recently had a video of Diallo abusing the UofL PG in scrimmages
Center: Both centers are in the NBA combine and Moreno is projected higher than Flury
UL wont sniff one either. Just watch.
Per ESPN Shelstad was the #12 ranked portal player and Diallo was #33 so the National people don't agree with you. Bidunga was Big 12 defensive player of the year and one of the Nations top shot blockers. Maybe the NBA likes Moreno better but he isn't anywhere near Bidunga's level as a College player. You aren't even addressing backups. UofL has a 5 star Center backup. UK has Potter. Then at Guard they have Wooley and the G league kid. UK has 2 freshman. Unless UK signs some more front line talent they are going to be a bubble team this year.
Just start with the PG and Center
PG head to head, Diallo had better stats each time they played and recently had a video of Diallo abusing the UofL PG in scrimmages
Center: Both centers are in the NBA combine and Moreno is projected higher than Flury
Moreno being “projected higher” means shi^. If you watch any college basketball, he is way ahead of Moreno as far as all defense variables, and is a better overall college player. Doesn’t mean Moreno isn’t going to improve and be better. Probably has more offensive potential, but Budinga is a game changer. Moreno is a paper tiger out there.
Just start with the PG and Center
PG head to head, Diallo had better stats each time they played and recently had a video of Diallo abusing the UofL PG in scrimmages
Center: Both centers are in the NBA combine and Moreno is projected higher than Flury
They have a better roster. Of course that doesn't equate to being a better team, but that is a separate issue.
Agree 100% . Pope will need to Coach his *** off this year if UK is going to be where the fans expect.
I like the way it was described to me. Duke is new money.
College basketball had the original power teams - UK, Oklahoma St, UCLA, Kansas, UNC. Then came the newer era and teams like Louisville, Duke, UCONN, Florida.
So I just think of programs as old money (long established power teams) and new money (more recent additions).
I suppose it would depend on what you mean by new money.
Pre-AP POLL ERA
The NCAA tournament began in 1939. As soon as the next season, Duke was already winning regular season conference championships over North Carolina (1940). They finished with conference and tournament championships in 1942 and had a 22-2 overall record. They won the regular season conference title in 1943. They won their conference title in 1946.
AP ERA / PRE-COACH K
They finished the 1952 season ranked 12th. They finished the 1954 season ranked 15th.
They finished the 1956 season ranked 17th.
They finished the 1958 season ranked 10th, while winning a regular season conference championship.
They finished the 1960 season ranked 18th.
They finished the 1961 season ranked 10th.
They finished the 1962 season ranked 10th.
They finished the 1963 season ranked 2nd, went undefeated in conference to win regular season title, won their conference tournament championship, and made the NCAA Tournament Final Four.
They finished the 1964 season ranked 3rd, won the regular season and tournament conference championships, and made the NCAA Tournament National Championship game, but lost to UCLA.
They finished the 1965 season ranked 10th and won the regular season conference championship.
They finished the 1966 season ranked 2nd, won the regular season and conference championships and lost in the Final Four to Kentucky.
They finished the 1968 season ranked 10th.
They finished the 1978 season ranked 10th, won a conference tournament championship and lost in the national championship game to Kentucky.
They finished the 1979 season ranked 11th.
They finished the 1980 season ranked 14th and added a conference tournament championship.
Their next season was the beginning of the Coach K era. Does Duke’s pre-K history even remotely compare to UK’s illustrious history? No, not even close. But, as someone who deeply cares about college basketball history, I can’t say thinking of Duke as a Johnny-come-lately makes any sense. They were very good for a long time, not quite as good as North Carolina, but clearly a heavy hitter in college basketball. They just weren’t quite as elite as Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina or some of the bygones of the early days like CCNY, Oklahoma A&M and so on.
Easily a blueblood.
Not sure how anyone could be clear on the two rosters at this point. Does seem several on here will give every benefit of the doubt to UL’s players and none to UK’s.
Funny, Kepnang our Back up you omitted averages more blocks per minutes than Bidunga
Head to head battle I'll take over "national people"
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I don’t agree not if we get that Dude and Moreno back and maybe a couple more Back Up pieces I don’t have any faith in Pope, but the blind squirrel finds a nut. And if Kevin Ollie can win a title at his alma mater anything is possible.
I don't have to go past the PG position to call BS on this.
UofL has a PG who was rated 12th in the portal. Diallo was 33. Not a bad player at all but still not the talent at PG UK has had for many years. I'm looking at National Rankings.
Well your wrong , Diallo is as good as point guard we've had ,,Don't worry about the rankings
Dude you are out of your mind,if they get Momcilivic,this is a top ten team
Shelstad is rated to high ,the analysts said that,Bindunga can't score ,and Knox is in jury prone,the guy from Iowa all's he does shoot ,he sucks on defense,there overrated like we were last year
Pat Kelsey has proven nothing that says he can coach at an elite level. What would his record be if they played SEC schedule? What is his record against top 25 teams?
For that matter what would Dukes record be if they played in the SEC under JS?
Lastly, Pope has a lot to prove as well and I am not saying he is capable but his first UK team had a legit shot to go deeper in the tourney. If Butler and Robinson were healthy we beat Tennessee. If they were healthy we would have had a higher seed and most likely been an elite 8 team at minimum. Last years team was lost before it started because he didnt have the right pieces. He lost the team when he constructed the roster. If he can get a 30 minute per game elite scorer and stay healthy with key pieces we will find out if he can coach at this level. His career record says probably not but I hope he gets the chance to see if he has learned from thes past 2 seasons.
I also believe part of his previous recruiting mistakes is he didn't want to pay what it eventually took to sign most of the recruits he lost. We will see if that is true with this last key roster battle.
For that matter what would Dukes record be if they played in the SEC under JS?
Lastly, Pope has a lot to prove as well and I am not saying he is capable but his first UK team had a legit shot to go deeper in the tourney. If Butler and Robinson were healthy we beat Tennessee. If they were healthy we would have had a higher seed and most likely been an elite 8 team at minimum. Last years team was lost before it started because he didnt have the right pieces. He lost the team when he constructed the roster. If he can get a 30 minute per game elite scorer and stay healthy with key pieces we will find out if he can coach at this level. His career record says probably not but I hope he gets the chance to see if he has learned from thes past 2 seasons.
I also believe part of his previous recruiting mistakes is he didn't want to pay what it eventually took to sign most of the recruits he lost. We will see if that is true with this last key roster battle.
Our roster fits better with Pope's vision of how he prefers to play as opposed to throwing players together similar to how Kelsey is doing at UofL. Comparing portal rankings is meaningless unless they can all get on the same page and play together. Otega was ranked in the 60's in the portal and ended up on the 1st or 2nd team all conference. Oscar wasn't rated all that high and became 1st team all American and player of the year.
Pope has offered anyone with a pulse. If he has a vision he hasn't been able to sell it to any of the Top recruits.
Your opinion is not even close to mine.
Louisville is recruiting well because they are running a 30 million deficit to buy their roster.
One person reported that Pope is kind of goofy and the entire BBN ran with it to explain why he’s not recruiting well. I’ve met CMP. He isn’t weird. Kelsey is more goofy than Pope.
You just gotta face the fact Kentucky is no longer a player during the NIL era. We won’t spend the money it takes to get the best players. Top button Mitch is more concerned with profitability than winning. That won’t change with a new coach.
Calipari couldn’t win here since NIL.
Stoops couldn’t win since NIL.
Pope can’t win and we will never even attract a decent coach with our NIL system.
Pope has had trash for players.
They will probably cut Pope loose after this season.
I wonder what BBN will blame when we miss on all the big name coaches and start loosing again?
It won’t be NIL because it’s so obvious to see if you just pull up our records since Paying players came in. Slow steady decline into what we have now. It wasn’t our coaches. It’s our NIL system.
Diallo is a good point guard but he wouldn't Crack the top 5 of UK PGs over the last 20 years.
Their deficit has nothing to do with how much they are paying in NIL money.
When Pat Kelsey does anything in the Post Season is when I will believe he can coach at the level UL is accustomed to.
Louisville was runner up by many reports for Dusty May.
That would be a different conversation if he had chosen to go there.
Thank goodness he didn't.
Louisville was runner up by many reports for Dusty May.
That would be a different conversation if he had chosen to go there.
Thank goodness he didn't.
Ahhh yes! The duke fans and their arbitrary timelines again! I care much more about all time. All time, Kentucky dwarfs duke. Not even close. That’s why you never see a duke fan make an argument that isn’t post 1990. Lmao hilarious.
Well that’s why you’re stupid. Zoom Diallo IS a better pg than shelstad in just about every stat. National rankings mean damn near nothing