I think they provide assembly line medicine and give the patient what they want. They won’t hold back medication and tell the sick to eat better and exercise for fear of losing money
OT: Looks like you should work in medicine
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I don't have the percentages but there are still a lot of doc owned groups that either work independently or have contracts with hospitals. Obviously it's far less today with resource consolidation but it's not yet a dead model. It won't be either if we ever go to what many would label "socialized medicine".
That occurring is probably far less than you imagine it happening and when it does, is likely more due to patients not listening to the simple advice that prevents a lot of symptoms that eventually need treating. Sure, there are churn through the patient and profit docs out there. There are more patients that don't seek out or listen to cheap common sense preventive advice - for many ****** reasons.
Plenty of engineering or scientific professions require PhDs and many years of experience and training. And thats not even considering expert trade work that takes decades of experience.
I'm not necessarily saying doctors dont deserve it, but that the view that they alone put in so much to deserve it is clearly off base.
When I suggest to patient that they stop smoking, they’re often like “Wait, smoking is bad for me? Well, this is the first I’m hearing of this. Thanks for telling me, I’ll immediately go and change my habits.”
In an office setting, 50-60% of a doc’s time is spent charting and handling phone notes, test results, homecare communications, patient messages, etc.
So for a 20 minute time slot visit, that gives upwards of 10 minutes to spend with the patient. And in that 10 minutes, we’re supposed to thoroughly address their diabetes, blood pressure, cholesterol, heart failure, afib, thyroid, insomnia, back pain, knees pain, headaches, skin lesions, anxiety, obesity, and sinus infection. Kind of hard to squeeze in a personalized diet and exercise plan.
If we did, I’m sure you wouldn’t complain about the 2-3 hour wait times that would go with that.
That’s not how reimbursement works. As a matter of fact if I have a discussion with a patient about the importance of eating right and exercise I can use that to justify higher billing. Plus I enjoy watching my patients get better and not die because I’m not a 17’n monster. It takes a lot on this board to truly piss me off, so congratulations, sir.
Sure it takes a lot of training for them. PHD is usually 4 or5 years post graduate. When have they ever worked nights, weekends and holidays? Do they have specialty boards that they are retested on?
If he is actually a good AC repair man (next to extinct these days), owns the business, and runs multiple crews, you better believe it. I'm considering doing it part time in retirement. I had to learn way too much of it to fix what the "best" guy in my area kept screwing up.
I would guess a full job is a 2 day job for a 2 man crew and nets a grand in profit. 3 crews times 3 jobs a week is about 450 jobs a year. That comes to $450,000 a year for the doctors in the thread, I know yall cant do math.
For what is worth, the pay scale of physicians is very dependent on region of the country they live in and type of practice (hospital employed, private or CMG). As an EM physician in private practice in GA I can tell you that number is low. However if you are working in Denver in EM that number is probably a little high. There is really a lot of variables depending on location and type of practice so if this is a national average it probably is on par with reality.
Yeah my dude, they do that too. How many top manufacturers do you know that only run 9 to 5?
I will say they aren't trained to work 48 hours straight and whatnot. But I think thats just dumb culture crap that medicine hasn't given up yet, like dirty smocks.
The fact that anyone has his take about doctors is so insane and disappointing to me
We’ll just have to agree to disagree that those trainings are even remotely equivalent
I suggest that the next time you have a heart patient you tell them to walk it off, or maybe rub some dirt on it.***
If he's running multiple crews and owns the business, he isn't your hvac repairman. He's a business owner.If he is actually a good AC repair man (next to extinct these days), owns the business, and runs multiple crews, you better believe it. I'm considering doing it part time in retirement. I had to learn way too much of it to fix what the "best" guy in my area kept screwing up.
I would guess a full job is a 2 day job for a 2 man crew and nets a grand in profit. 3 crews times 3 jobs a week is about 450 jobs a year. That comes to $450,000 a year for the doctors in the thread, I know yall cant do math.
Edit: another poster said his hvac repairman was making 350k a year - apologies for conflating those.
I'm not sure what you're getting at? You said your hvac repairman was making 350k, and I do not find that plausible. I believe you on inflation.
I always find these charts interesting, and wonder where all the data comes from. I know a couple of oral surgeons and they make about $200K.................per month. Also know an OB who signed a base contract for a little over $300K before she graduated / finished residency, with $100k signing bonus for loans.
The visual capitalist ones always cite their source. I like them because I learn something. A lot of poster immediately like to assert some slant, or data issue. It's crazy how much current culture has ruined critical thought in favor or kneejerk conspiracy and such. It's a chart. If you care, go look at the data source and try to see what the data set looks like given the results, then learn something. Just like on this chart. CEO pay. That number is unlikely the pay of any CEO that you or I know or have read about as it is a mean and is constrained by whomever was asked the question. The relative positions among the job roles was interesting to me and although I knew that healthcare pay was decent, I didn't expect it to consume that many spots.
I did find a link directly to the site that is easier on the eyes than my screenshot: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-30-highest-paying-jobs-in-america/
As I posted earlier (this is not directed at you), from the source its W2 wage data only. It doesnt count income thats not wage income. If they are an independent contractor, then its not in the survey. I imagine those docs like to be independent contractors cause then they can write off their liability insurance, among other things.
Maybe you can call a phd buddy to save your life, vision, etc when it’s on the line? Your opinion will change eventually…
Maybe I save your life every day and you dont realize it.
you want your bridges, planes, cars, etc designed by some kid right out of school?But you make a compelling case of why medicine isn't a free market good.