so then you're saying it's good then?
is it so good bc of Pope or bc of JMI?
what is your purpose for posting?
JMI Sports & NIL Issue
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is it so good bc of Pope or bc of JMI?
what is your purpose for posting?
I think NIL is going to kill attendance overall. People want to follow players for their school, and you can't do that when the players are just mercenaries. And then the NBA is going to start blaming the college game for not giving guys a place to develop. The NBA really needs to take this off our hands. Give the players two choices:
Go to college for 4 to 5 years without pay.
Enter some sort of league where you can develop and potentially make money while developing.
Get drafted out of high school.
That way we who are into "college athletics" can root for our teams, the players will play for the name on the front of the jersey, and senior night will be something more than just a spectacle.
College athletics is not going to be able to survive this NIL nonsense.
I think NIL is going to kill attendance overall. People want to follow players for their school, and you can't do that when the players are just mercenaries. And then the NBA is going to start blaming the college game for not giving guys a place to develop. The NBA really needs to take this off our hands. Give the players two choices:
Go to college for 4 to 5 years without pay.
Enter some sort of league where you can develop and potentially make money while developing.
Get drafted out of high school.
That way we who are into "college athletics" can root for our teams, the players will play for the name on the front of the jersey, and senior night will be something more than just a spectacle.
College athletics is not going to be able to survive this NIL nonsense.
Ignore the shipdit. He is angry because he can't bet on his superstar players. It's his only income.
But why would a good player want to play in college for 4 years, for free?
After they've already opened the NIL Pandora's box and guys are making millions.
I think what you're proposing would lead college hoops to just be all Walker Horns and Zach Tows
JMI is holding Will Stein back and it’s clear. Language in the contracts is handcuffing and hurting flexibility and stuff.
Remember that time you said when players leave UK they’re dead to you. Yeah, I’m the dipshit bandwagon clown. You really slandered Reed Sheppard. He’s make you look as dumb as Will Stein is the others.
Dude took an article from Jacob Polacheck KSR and said it’s not just Matt Jones reporting this now. I can’t stop laughing. Yeah, I guess the independent KSR writers are on top of it and pushing their bosses lies too.
Matt Jones has been feuding with JMI since they sent him the cease and desist letter 5 years ago. This is his lie and evidence of the control he has over this fanbase.
So Brooks on the women side has no issue recruiting as well as Stein. JMI is an issue yes, but Pope covers the larger ratio. It sucks yes. But it is what it is.
Sounds like JMI is the general manager. Doesn’t seem to be working very well.
If we could guarantee that our money would be wisely spent on top players everyone in this fan base would find a way to donate 25-50 bucks when they could. It’s just the issue of now we know they probably wouldn’t get it because of this ridiculous JMI structure.
Both things can be true. It can be Pope and JMI. The ratio of fault seems more on Pope's side. Why? We had 14 high caliber recruits and could NOT land them.
Stein is landing start players.
Brooks is having zero issue recruiting players.
So how hard is it to not understand? Unless you're willfully ignorant.
Football has 15 million (approximated) in REV share that they can use as guaranteed money to pay recruits. Straight cash, no strings. That has nothing to do with JMI or NIL. So using Football as an example of JMI not being a problem is pretty weak as it is apples to oranges. This in no way means that JMI is the big bad some people think it is, but it IS a problem in men's basketball that it isn't in football. Stein didn't exactly land any 5 stars either. I don't think a single top 50 football recruit even spoke to UK. This neither confirms nor denies that JMI is an issue.
Women's basketball is a much closer comparison, however, not nearly on the same monetary scale. The budgets are just different whether people like it or not. I've looked but can't find any reliable source that even speculates what UK women have for NIL or their portion of Rev share. Brooks is a proven coach (which trumps Pope), and runs a solid system that gets these girls to the WNBA (which trumps Pope). So if money scaled equally, which we know it doesn't, Brooks is running laps around Pope as a coach, no argument there. The problem comes from restrictive NIL deals per agents and players who have had to deal with UK. It's also been said that a lot of the JMI offer is "potential" earnings instead of a concrete number which isn't well received.
Several sources have said UK hasn't even crossed the $10 million mark in NIL for basketball yet (and already has 12 players) which just baffles me. Is Pope not being given money this go round? Were all the eggs in the Stokes basket? Are we sitting on several million to throw at a late draft drop? And if so, why wait and risk striking out AGAIN.
JMI is probably 25-35% of the issue for Pope, Pope himself probably 50% of the issue, and the administration the other 15%-25%. JMI is a little different than normal collectives at other schools, they have some restrictions other places don't, they have potential earnings built in which could far exceed what other schools offer but have the drawback of not being a solid upfront number with guarantees. I still think Pope is in over his head and not the right man for the job. I don't think JMI is all bad at all. I just think Pope and Company are doing a bad job of selling it to players and their camps. Less high end guys won't feel the effects of not reaching their earning potential because the difference is small. 4-5 million guys will definitely feel the difference between it.
I keep seeing this and people keep saying football recruiting is fine. No, it isn’t. It’s where it’s always been. We have never recruited top 10 in football. We don’t get any of the top guys . Texas, Alabama, Georgia and others do.
Stein signed a great QB, but we will still be 12th in our conference in recruiting when it’s over. 25-30 Nationally.
That’s completely different than what we expect from basketball. We want the absolute top talent. People are not happy with 25-30th in basketball.
We are not now, or never have been getting the top guys in Football.
Stop using WBB and football to make comparisons. Very few WBB players are getting significant outside endorsements, so JMI’s restrictions doesn’t matter here.
Same is true for football, unless you’re a quarterback, or star RB, you almost never have the ball in your hands and what’s more you’re wearing a helmet most of the time so your face is not that recognizable. That’s why football players (except star QBs) are also not usually getting outside endorsements .
Plus the level of expectations are not comparable, football and WBB are recruiting well relative to level of expectations. Neither are pulling Top 5 or top 10 classes with elite top players. Fans expect UK MBB to be a FF if not title contenders and the recruiting success that will enable that. That’s why they are disappointed, nobody is expecting that for WBB or Football.
Same is true for football, unless you’re a quarterback, or star RB, you almost never have the ball in your hands and what’s more you’re wearing a helmet most of the time so your face is not that recognizable. That’s why football players (except star QBs) are also not usually getting outside endorsements .
Plus the level of expectations are not comparable, football and WBB are recruiting well relative to level of expectations. Neither are pulling Top 5 or top 10 classes with elite top players. Fans expect UK MBB to be a FF if not title contenders and the recruiting success that will enable that. That’s why they are disappointed, nobody is expecting that for WBB or Football.
First decision as new AD is what law firm is representing us in voiding the contract.
If that doesn't work then BBN needs a concerted grassroots movement to bankrupt JMI. It may hurt but a short term sacrifice for a long term gain.
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He immediately signed the long term deal prior to stepping down as a parting gift for himself and others.
No sensible business person agrees to a 15yr deal. Even if there's concrete evidence of immediate success, you can't lock yourself into an agreement bc the business of college athletics are fluid.
Need an investigative journalist or get Tipton out of retirement to conduct a deep dive. Follow the money.
If Mitch/Eli were brazen enough to go public with his golden parachute position, imagine what they're capable of behind closed doors?
If Mitch/Eli were brazen enough to go public with his golden parachute position, imagine what they're capable of behind closed doors?
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So UK and JMI are violating the state NIL law and not letting players do outside 3rd party endorsement deals? Shouldn’t the Kentucky Attorney General be all over this?
No. They are preventing players from doing outside 3rd party endorsement deals using licensed UK logos, images, media, and intellectual property. Which is a completely different thing. You can still do outside deals (Trent Noah has multiple), but JMI has to give you permission (and gets a slice) if you want to wear UK gear doing it or branding doing it. Think like those random commercials you see where a well known athlete is wearing some generic non team affiliated jersey to sling Icy Hot, Converse shoes or a random sports drink. The company avoids paying licensing fees by not showing the team or any licensed branding. This doesn't violate the Kentucky NIL law, it uses skirts it via technicality and loophole. It makes it restrictive in the sense that a large part of the UK brand is the licensed logos, fonts, images, etc. On the flip side, that money is outside of BBNILSUITE, so UK/JMI can't promise you a dollar amount from an outside source. You and your camp would have to work that out on your own. JMI is also by the book and compliant, meaning that every dollar goes through the NCAA NIL site for approval and value/money is shown what/where it comes from and how it will be earned (appearance fees, autograph signings, clinics, billboards, commercials, promotional advertisements, etc). This differs from most collectives just throwing a number at a player and figuring the rest out later. UK won't risk the recruiting violations, even though no one is regulating this stuff closely anymore.
That’s basic trademark law. You’re required to protect your IP, UK does it and so does every other school in the country. You’re not gonna use any schools IP without a licensing agreement. Why is something that happens at every school in the country a problem when it happens at UK?
You are correct. I even gave you examples of that basic trademark law everywhere else uses it. It is not uncommon. At UK it WAS UNCOMMON because they made you choose to sign with JMI and use the BBNILSUITE... OR choose to not sign with JMI and go outside the BBNILSUITE to market yourself. Which would mean you're basically only getting Rev share money from UK at that point. That is how it was initially set up. One or the other, not both. Unless you had pre-existing brand deals in place.
I'm told this has been revised some recently, and is much less of an issue now. But I don't know enough about what is currently in the JMI contract, I can only speak to what I read and hear and what I saw and read when UK was recruiting my daughter last fall to play soccer. (Obviously light years different in NIL money and Rev share amounts, but I was able to read the stipulations and commitments). She ultimately chose another smaller school because there was a pathway to playing significantly as a Freshmen where there was little chance at UK. I tried to push UK as an alum obviously, but she wanted to play right away.
Like I've said, it's not all bad, JMI is just different than what other schools with outside collectives are dealing with.
Almost as odd as making up lies that your program has these “restrictions”. TigerMoving loves negative attacks on UK for some reason. Are these frauds who are desperate to tear down UK real fans?
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At UK they give you multiple options which is somehow bad. It’s insane how bad you people want to attack the NIL situation at UK because UK and JMI made Matt Jones mad and he sold you a bill of goods. The SEC coaches messaging him to warn him about JMI was my favorite lie.
He sold you that you couldn’t use the logo here even that’s standard in college athletics and every pro team. Somehow having multiple options to do NIL is bad. He sold the lie that UK and JMI don’t allow 3rd party deals. KSR also sold you that you’re required to sign away your NIL rights all of which is false information. Y’all should get information from more than one place and do research instead relying on one man with a vendetta.
Welcome JMI Anon. At least you were intelligent enough to enter a screen name this time. You are the only person obsessed with Matt Jones. I think he's an idiot and never listen to him. But apparently you do like a jealous ex girlfriend. Off to ignore you go simpleton.
Weird that you never want to discuss facts or the BS that you spread. You just got busted spewing ignorance because you’re a clueless sheep. You’re obsessed with him, that’s why you fight his battles and push his lies. Tell me again your BS about how they’re preventing players from doing outside 3rd party endorsement deals using licensed UK logos, images, media, and intellectual property. Basic trademark law that every school practices that Matt Jones knows as a business owner and a lawyer, yet he has you attacking UK with it. I’d deflect too if my whole purpose was pushing dear leaders lies and attacking UK. What a complete joke you are.
The nerve of this brainwashed moron pushing another man’s lies and attacking his own program with them calling someone a simpleton.
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I thought you put me on ignore, you just can’t stop lying or attacking UK. BTW, every school protects their IP which is required by trademark law. You claiming it’s something unique to UK and is a restriction UK puts on athletes shows what a fraud you are. I shill for the truth, facts, and common sense. You push lies about UK having these “restrictions” because you’re a UK hating fraud.
Keep on spewing your “they don’t let you use the logo” nonsense because you’re too dumb to know how anything works.
Of course you do. He completely spun what I actually said into a strawman. I never said UK was the only one who protected their logo or brand. I figured he would be intelligent enough to infer that UK branding is more valuable than the Middle Tennessee States of the world when marketing yourself for outside NIL offers... But his seventy fifth shill account is banned again it seems, drink water, change your socks, continue mission. He'll be back in a few days necro bumping and attacking Matt Jones for some reason.
I'll be in my my mid 40s by the time this cancerous deal is gone. There is still hope that I will see another championship.
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I didn’t spin or strawman a single word. You said they are preventing players from doing outside 3rd party endorsement deals using licensed UK logos, images, media, and intellectual property. I correctly said that basic trademark law that applies to every school in the country and every school in the country has same practice. When I say every school, I mean every program in the country not the Middle Tennessee States of the world, the Ohio State,Texas, Florida, Auburn, Duke, Alambas, and every other program. They all have the same policy, you call that universal policy restrictions at UK.
This is how desperate you are to tear down the program. Here let me say it again because you hate the truth. Just like UK, Ohio State, Texas, Alabama, Duke and any other program you can think of are… preventing players from doing outside 3rd party endorsement deals using licensed team logos, images, media, and intellectual property. You have to have a licensing deal to use any schools IP.
Good luck with your next hit piece on UK.
You left out the rest of the quote hero. Thus making it a strawman. You are arguing the ONLY portion of what I said that you can try and debate. Because that sentence, without the rest of what I said, looks inaccurate. I mean, that is how sentence structure works. There is a statement and punctuation, followed by explanation sentences or questions. Pretty rudimentary paragraph formatting.
I am not desperate to tear our program down you dolt. I would 100% set the JMI deal on fire and pee on the ashes though. No contract in this era should be 15 years, no matter how good it is. Our administration has done more to tear our program down than a random poster on a basketball forum ever could. You continue to lie, make up erroneous arguments to thump your chest, get banned, create a new account, and pretend like you are somehow gatekeeping our program. Grow up man, seriously. You have no idea what you are talking about and continue to pretend like you do by picking out snippets of things that are said that you feel confident in trying to argue on.
Question JMI shill. How much of a percentage does JMI get when a player wants to use the UK logo for a Clarke's Pump and Shop commercial? Is that more, equal, or less than every other University in the country that trademarks their logo through a licensing company? Is the UK logo more, equal, or less valuable than Murray State, Bethel College, or Berea? Would it be more expensive and less profitable to use UK's logo for promotional deals than Murray State, Bethel College, or Berea? Would an agent find it more restrictive and more difficult to try and work with UK licensing or Murray State, Bethel College, or Berea?
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